Differences Between Anime Vice and Wikia Communities

Topic started by takashichea on April 28, 2012. Last post by Daniel_Newton 2 years, 1 month ago.
Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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Overview

Welcome everyone, today we'll go over the many differences in the wiki features and tools that Anime Vice and Wiki Communities use. I hope this will influence and motivate the engineers and others in Anime Vice to improve its wiki editing system.

Please drop any comments, suggestions, or improvements.

Thank you.

Templates
Templates
Template boxes - On right is the code that Sket Dance Wikia uses, and you see how it becomes an infobox. In Anime Vice, we do have templates boxes, but we don't manipulate its code. In fact, it contains minimal information when you compared to the Wikia Communities whose info boxes contain a wealth of information.

Improvements for Anime Vice: Daniel Newton noted that the episode wiki pages are a bit disorganized in his thread, Episode Page Template: Feedback Wanted. The wiki style is very inconsistent. I proposed using a template box that is like Screened to organized the miscellaneous information such as arc names, theme songs, and more.
Wikia Preview Button
Wikia Preview Button
The preview button is very useful to see if your links, spacing, and other things work out.
In Anime Vice, we usually have glitches. A preview would be extremely helpful.
This is another way to fill out an infobox by using the visual editor. You can view the preview version, too.
Wiki Submissions
Wiki Submissions
Wiki Submissions (Wiki Contributions Logs) - This is similar to how we, Anime Vice folks, viewed our wiki submissions history. The only I don't like about it is overwhelming to read. It's organized, but it's hard to read through and find things quickly. Here in Anime Vice, we have images to help us, but we don't have dates. Our dates are not accurate because it says "two days or one year ago." Their wikia history has precise dates.
Both wikia communities need to have a search engine.

Improvements For Anime Vice: We need exact dates like January 7, 2011 format. The exact time is not needed. A search engine would be excellent since the Wikia communities have it, too.
Rave Master Image gallery
Rave Master Image gallery
Image Galleries - For Wikia communities, they have a main image gallery and sub galleries on different pages they make such as screenshot pages. It's hard to navigate and browse through the image galleries. I find Anime Vice's image galleries easier because its subgalleries are on the same page. Plus, it loads faster. All the Wikia communities' image galleries load a bit slower.
To Search For An Image: In a Wikia Community, a new wiki editor might not know how to search for an image. This leads to making duplicates images. An advanced editor knows URLs to search images, but a new editor is disadvantaged. In Anime Vice, it's easier to find images. You can just search galleries by scrolling down in the sub galleries you made.

Anime Vice: No improvements in image galleries, but we do need a stricter image policy and eliminate the redundant episode gallery. We have two galleries for episode wiki pages, one for the anime page and one for the episode, it is titled by the episode's name. Keep the anime page since it is the main gallery that people use.
Wikia Communities: Make image policy visible and put it on the main image gallery for new editors to see.
Fair Use Rationale
Fair Use Rationale
Fair Use Rationale and Licensing - In many of the Wikia Communities, I seen they established a policy that allows permission to use copyright materials as a respect to the author. In Anime Vice, we don't have that. Many new wiki editors upload images in a normal fashion where the image policy is not seen. That's why some wikia communities have a lot of violations.



Wikia Communities:
No Policy is Shown
No Policy is Shown
Same thing, make the fair use policy visible on the main image gallery where people usually upload their images. The only time I seen the policy is on their policy pages and in the special upload page: http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Upload.
Anime Vice: I'm not sure about the Fair Use Rationale. It's time consuming, and the community has thousands of images already. It's highly unlikely that this community established a Fair Use Rationale. I would like it because it prevents copyright and gives respect to authors.

Other Related Wiki Editing Topics

Thank you everyone.

Takashichea

Go Anime Vice!

Post by KuroNekoXIII (427 posts) See mini bio Level 14

I was thinking about the template box as well, it'd be handy if we could manipulate them. For Kuroko no Basuke characters, I think if there was a height and weight category on the template box it'd be really useful. For now, i got it under Character Evolution.

Good show Taka! Keep it up!

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,640 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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Kind of bad timing considering Anime Vice currently has no known site engineers. It's pretty much a one sided conversation since there isn't anyone who has the ability to put forth any changes or even suggest them to anyone in the future.

I've never liked those fan-made wikias. A seriously bad computer virus attacked my system that came from an ad on one of those sites. I've avoided them ever since.

Post by sickVisionz (4,255 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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One thing about the communities that I've never experience on AV is that random people are willing to totally sabotage a wiki for one reason or another. I typed a summary for a series and a week later someone had changed it to like nonsense words. Luckily, it's extremely easy to roll any page back to a prior version so it wasn't a major deal, but the fact that the community draws those type of people to it turned me off from it.

Being able to make custom templates for other users to use is a nice feature though.

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@KuroNekoXIII:

Thanks KuroNekoXIII!

@FoxxFireArt:

I should have thought about that, but I just came into the Wikia Communities to learn about them since February to get some ideas. Darn, I should kept a journal because I was worry that I will forget what to say.

I always had noscript program that disabled the ads. Maybe, I should turn it off and see what the ads look like. I just looked at those pictures I post. None of them have ads.

Thanks, Foxx for your input. I'll check the ads on Sket Dance Wikia to see if they're safe or not. I'm the 4th admin and the new guy over there.

@sickVisionz said:

One thing about the communities that I've never experience on AV is that random people are willing to totally sabotage a wiki for one reason or another. I typed a summary for a series and a week later someone had changed it to like nonsense words. Luckily, it's extremely easy to roll any page back to a prior version so it wasn't a major deal, but the fact that the community draws those type of people to it turned me off from it.

Being able to make custom templates for other users to use is a nice feature though.

You know why Anime Vice has no spammers on the wiki....

FoxxFireArt
FoxxFireArt

It's thanks to FoxxFireArt and you guys because you have an ability that I don't have as an Admin on Sket Dance Wikia. The ability to moderate wiki edits before it gets published. I talked with several people about that when they dealt with spam bots. What Anime Vice has is a double edge sword, it's a safeguard against spammers because they have to get pass 1,000 wiki points, but it reduces the wiki activity. For us Admins, we don't want to restrict the flow of wiki edits. It will be pain to moderate through hundreds or even thousands (for bigger communities) of submissions. Yes, spam bots and people who have a grudge will take advantage. To fix this situation, we have a static wiki activity and a email system that pretty emails me every thing that happens in the wikia if I "follow" it.

Thanks, sickVisionz for reminding me.

Two more things I forgot to mention in this blog

Anime Vice Wiki Points VS Wikia Editing Points

I almost forgot to mention this. The Wikia communities' editing system is based on how many times you click on the "publish" button. Unlike Anime Vice, it doesn't matter how many bytes, words, images, or anything. When you published one completed page or a unfinished page, you'll only get ONE point. I have no idea why, but I should ask the Admins.

In Anime Vice, the point system is more rewarding. The problem with both point systems is how to distinguish between a wiki editor who writes full on articles and a wiki editor who just links pages, adds little things, and uploads images.

You have top submissions
You have top submissions

I'm a loss. I don't know which community does it better. In Anime Vice, the highest wiki points is 798,971 (almost to 800,000) while in Screened, it's over a million. The highest edit count I seen is around 30,000 which belongs to a Fairy Tail Wikia Admin who has been working on the site since December 2010. In the end, numbers are a BIG illusion. Ultimately, you have to spend time with that person in order to know their working style. I know the difference [in working styles] between FoxxFireArt, Obsidian609, Annabanana, others, and myself because I have been observing you guys for a long time. I don't know the highest wiki editor's working style in Screened and Comic Vine. I would have to comb through their top highest submissions for about 15 pages to see the types of work they do. If most of their work are franchises, that means they upload a lot of images. If most of work consists of characters, episodes, or volumes, you have to check the image galleries and the top editor chart. If those image galleries are not high and they are the top editors, you can deduce the fact they do full on articles.

No Categories or Top Submissions
No Categories or Top Submissions

To determine those same kind of wiki editors in a Wikia Community, I haven't look deep yet. Maybe, they have stats that I haven't found yet as an Admin. If you are a regular user, you have combed through their Contribution logs that doesn't really show how many bytes. There are no categories or top submissions. All you have is very detailed wiki submissions log. It's organized but not easy to search for what you want. What they do better than Anime Vice are the dates.

What Anime Vice Does Better?

What separates us from the wikia communities is establishing a sense of competition and recognition throughout our wiki pages.

Sense of Recognition and Personality
Sense of Recognition and Personality

Thank you guys for reminding what Anime Vice has better and showing me the light. I wasn't thinking clearly and was too focused on what Wikia Communities does better than us. Like you said Foxx, it's one sided. I'm sorry for the rush job.

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,640 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@takashichea:

I didn't mean your article was one sided. I said that giving suggestions on how to alter the wiki tools to no one who can ever make any changes is a one sided conversation.

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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If the engineers do come back, I hope we have an undo button like the Wikia Communities have because this community has too many glitches. Browsers crashing when you saving your work or disappearing.

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,640 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@takashichea:

I've never had those problems.

I'd be more interested in these cross community exchanges if those users were coming to Anime Vice to be involved in the community and bringing others with them. I don't think they are, because I don't see comments on user blogs or comments on the front page articles increasing that much. It's been pretty stagnant.

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@FoxxFireArt:

Right now, I am promoting Anime Vice at Sket Dance Wikia and other wikias. Some of the wiki editors have never even heard of Anime Vice. I have met someone here in the Anime Vice community who is a wikia member. Though, he's pretty quiet, but I do keep tabs on him like I do for everyone else.

I haven't post a blog about Anime Vice. I have to establish a connection, trust, and familiarity with the folks over there. I don't want to look all high and mighty. I have to go in and befriend the wiki editors and work with them on the wiki pages.

As for the glitches, it usually happens when I work on episodes and volumes pages when I copy and paste Kanji and Romaji characters. Usually, I do it before doing a plot summary. I had experiences when the browser crashes. Though, I forget and I end up losing some time and work. Recently, I was editing Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka of the Dead Ep. 1 and adding the Japanese characters. Then, boom. After I save, everything was gone. I should have copied the plot summary, but I forgot to.

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@FoxxFireArt said:

@takashichea:

I've never had those problems.

I'd be more interested in these cross community exchanges if those users were coming to Anime Vice to be involved in the community and bringing others with them. I don't think they are, because I don't see comments on user blogs or comments on the front page articles increasing that much. It's been pretty stagnant.

I have some ideas to make Anime Vice community, more tight knit, in the summer.

Ideas

  • Character Spotlight: The team picks the best wiki page for a character every week in a franchise, and talk about all sort of things.
  • Tsundere Edition: If a show has at least 2 characters who are downright tsundere, this blog is possible.
  • Moe Edition: Same as the Tsundere
  • Anime Vs Anime or Manga vs Manga: It's not a battle thread, but it's for comparing which is show is better. Also, this is good to compare franchises that are very similar to each other. Please Sket Dance and Gintama Similarity and Differences Blog.
  • Family Time: (Add anime name or manga): Since I'm a big brother who has a little sister and brother who likes anime, I share some of their thoughts on shows we watch together. I hope this will bring others to talk about their experiences as well.

Ta-da!

I'll continue to improve public relations between the wiki communities in the meantime.

Post by sickVisionz (4,255 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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I've been messing around with the site today (most of http://sengokucollection.wikia.com is me) and there are some definite advantages to their system. I like how you can kinda just plop in links to content that doesn't exist yet. I love that actually. You can make a table filled with pics (say for an episode chart) that aren't there yet and as long as you keep the referenced file names correct, the system will basically auto-update everything once you upload it. It's really great for episode pages. Adding a new character is so much faster than AV. Here the process is:

  • Make the character page and save it
  • manually refresh it (I hate this, you literally can't do anything other than refresh and I've never understood why it just doesn't auto refresh)
  • Edit the character again to make sure it pops up in a search
  • Make the episode with just a description
  • Manually goto that episode page
  • Add the character, save the page.
  • Manual refresh
  • Edit the page and now you can add seiyu information.

On Wikia you can do it all at once using their info box system and the regular editor. Your character (or anything that can be linked) doesn't exist in the database yet? It doesn't matter, just type [[Character Name]] and whenever you eventually make the character, all the links will work. Heck, as soon as you save the original page, just clicking on the link to nonexistent content takes you to the creation/edit page for said content. I'm loving their system. The only things I think ours has over their is a super easy ability to upload a bunch of pictures at once to any wiki article, a system wide database (although not that much of an advantage for how I edit and the fact that you can't goto a an article and easily see exactly what it's been linked to), and a points system with a leaderboard that naturally promotes friendly competition and desire to score more and more.

I plan to move the series that I care about that don't exist there to Wikia over time and it's where I plan on editing from now on out.

@takashichea said:

I'll continue to improve public relations between the wiki communities in the meantime.

Is there beef between the two right now?

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@sickVisionz:

Thanks for reminding me. I was too focused on duplicate images and image search features. I forgot to mention about how AV can upload multiple images at once while Wikia uploads one at a time. The way I got around it is to make an image gallery page with a code. Then, you just add multiple images, but you still can't select more than one image if you're uploading from your desktop.

There is one question that I haven't ask.

How do you find out how many chapters or episodes a character appears in? In Anime Vice, we used to have that feature, but now, we don't and have to reply on the actor/actress voice box at the end of the character wiki page.

I check Sengoku Collections's list of users. I see that you guys only have 3 people, and the Admin has no user page created. You should apply for Adminship. Since there's no Admin, you can adopt Sengoku Collections using this page.

For Wikia Communities, their emphasis is more on content than images. I remember my Admin, Lynxian, telling me that a large image gallery can make a page load slowly. I see this effect on the character image galleries for Fairy Tail Wikia.

Example: Natsu Dragneel on Fairy Tail Wikia

The best way for Wikia community is to create a category page like this one, Natsu's image category page, which has a page feature to avoid having such a long page.

Post by sickVisionz (4,255 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@takashichea

I forgot to mention about how AV can upload multiple images at once while Wikia uploads one at a time. The way I got around it is to make an image gallery page with a code. Then, you just add multiple images, but you still can't select more than one image if you're uploading from your desktop.

I found a workaround to upload 10 images at a time (Special:MultipleUpload), but the way Wikia works I find that mostly useful for when I have 10 different pages that need a main picture and I can knock em all out and then just go into source view and knock the editing out really quick. Like you said, big galleries of stuff doesn't seem to be their thing.

There is one question that I haven't ask.
How do you find out how many chapters or episodes a character appears in?

Oh, that's an easy one: you can't :(

I check Sengoku Collections's list of users. I see that you guys only have 3 people, and the Admin has no user page created. You should apply for Adminship. Since there's no Admin, you can adopt Sengoku Collections using this page.

Yeah, the last update from anyone before me was like May 15th and they were some pretty sorry half-ass updates if I may say so. I will probably adopt it but it takes like 60 days so I've got about another month to wait.

----

One thing I really like is how codey everything on Wikia is. It's almost like light programming and spreadsheeting, two things I enjoy. My biggest peave though is that going to xxxxxx.wikia.com put you at the user activity page rather than a nice home screen like how AV is setup. I wish there was a way to set another page as the default index.htm-esque page for the site.

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@sickVisionz:

You need to change the main page once you have become a Bureaucrat, I believe. I thought the Sengoku Wikia main page was weird because it has an activity feed.

I don't know the codes well to engineer a main page
I don't know the codes well to engineer a main page

What I love about Sket Dance Wikia is that main image can change every time you visit. I just can't seem to figure out the code yet.

In Fairy Tail Wikia, their main page is awesome as well. I love how you slide images on the tab similar to Crunchyroll's page.

Fairy Tail Wikia
Fairy Tail Wikia

Both Rave Master and Beelzebub Wikia's Main Page has not been developed yet.

Post by Daniel_Newton (3,183 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@sickVisionz said:

@takashichea

There is one question that I haven't ask.
How do you find out how many chapters or episodes a character appears in?

Oh, that's an easy one: you can't :(

You can, you just browse the character section of the wiki, pick the letter the name begins with and find the character. Since it's alphabetical, it shouldn't take too long to find what you're looking for.

It would be nice if the numbers were on the character pages themselves, but still, you can definitely find that stuff.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,228 posts) See mini bio Level 21

I like this site better then wikia (I don't get attack by virus here)

Post by sickVisionz (4,255 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@Daniel_Newton: For some reason I read his question as "How did you find what chapters or episode a character appears in."

Post by Daniel_Newton (3,183 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@sickVisionz: Ahh I see. Would be cool if we could do that too.

Post by takashichea (11,700 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@sickVisionz: @Daniel_Newton:

Like this, how many volumes or episodes did the character appears in a series.

We used to have that feature on our character pages in Anime Vice by clicking on Anime/Manga button on the left side. I don't know about the Wikia Communities. I need to ask the Fairy Tail Admins. Their character wiki pages don't have that count. For wiki editor stats, they told me use Special: Edit Count page, when I asked them how do you determine one's top Wiki Submissions. There could be a Special: Character Count Page I haven't asked or seen yet for the Wikia communities.

Post by Daniel_Newton (3,183 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@takashichea: Oh you meant appearances on a per-series level. Yeah, you can only see the anime episode counts. If you want to know the manga appearance counts for characters, you'll have to go through and count manually. We only have pages for volumes on this site anyway, the equivalent to having anime episodes would be to have manga issues, so the appearance counts wouldn't really be comparable anyway.

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