Watch & Learn: TRIGUN #8

Topic started by No_name_here on Nov. 30, 2010. Last post by Tatsukishi 3 years, 9 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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 Big gun... but no killin'.
 Big gun... but no killin'.

If I’ve concluded that Goku is anime’s Superman and L is anime’s Batman, then I’m not totally positive who Vash corresponds to, but he’s definitely of the same ilk as all the superheroes I grew up with. Why? He doesn’t wear a mask. He doesn’t have a cape. He does have an outlandish, brightly-colored costume, but what’s more important is that, unlike nine out of ten heroes in adventure fiction, he goes to absurd lengths to avoid killing the bad guys. TRIGUN’s hinted at this, so far, and some of you lunatics may have clued me in early on, as well, but this is the first episode that’s been explicit about this part of Vash’s philosophy.

And I think it’s actually pretty cool. Not necessarily because I want this show to be a forum to debate the merits of capital punishment and justifiable force (though I’m sure there will be plenty of that) but more so because it’s different. I hate cookie cutter “leading men” and if Vash adamantly refuses to kill bad guys, it leads to complication, it leads to ridicule and it leads to setbacks. In short, it leads to an interesting story.

I presume Kaite’s going to become Vash’s sidekick in this slowly-accumulating cast of characters. I’m sure he rubs some viewers the wrong way, but I appreciate how they’re letting him act like a teen in his situation would actually act. In other words, he’s a little twerp. Seems like we’ve got the set-up for a good buddy comedy, although this time, the kid’s the cynic and the older guy’s the naïve idealist.

Neon escapes to bedevil Vash another day. Following Darfox8’s wrestling comparison, that means that the feud with this heel has just started and they’re going to keep cutting promos on eachother until it culminates in a Coal Miner’s Glove match at the next pay-per-view.

Oh, and Meryl and Milly disguising themselves as "lads" was a fun surprise. For once, you can believe somebody can fit into an enemy uniform, because those suits are so damn bulky.

Watch this episode, “And Between the Wasteland and Sky,” below and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.     

  

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of  HYBRID BASTARDS!  &  UNIMAGINABLE . Order them on Amazon   here  &   here .  Follow him on Twitter:  @tompinchuk

Post by rubberluffy (589 posts) See mini bio Level 16
Why would Vash let the kid travel with him?  If I remember correctly, he doesn't really want the girls following him, since he always ends up in trouble.  So a kid would be a big no-no.
 
Also just a little interesting tidbit, but Vash's signature silver revolver in the anime is not the same gun from the manga.  They look somewhat similar (same barrel placement) but there is a distinct difference between them.  Compare your picture at the top to this:

Eh, the right side is a bit cut off due to size, but you still see most of the gun.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,642 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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I know I've said I should stay out of the conversation for these older series (a form of passive protest). I just can't seem to help myself for these past few Trigun episodes. Guess that speaks to interest in these particular episodes.
 
Having Vash so unwilling to kill always intrigued me, because at this point we don't understand why this is so important to him. Still, you can tell there is a reason for it. It appears less about him and more about someone else. It made me want to keep going to discover the answer.
 
I wouldn't say L is anime's Batman. L isn't so proactive and L is willing to kill for purpose. The first act we ever see him do sacrifice a convict to reveal Kira. Only comparison is they are both independently wealthy and both orphans. I also see L as a superior detective. Though, I blame that on writers not showing Bruce Wayne as a detective too often.

One of the issues that I see as something Batman should never use a gun under any condition. I know his original designs had him using one, but that never made much sense given the motivations of the protagonist. Even his creators admitted that. It just seemed completely contrary to everything Batman stood for. His parents were murdered by the gun. So, why would he use that?

More often in comics, it appears these rules for characters are made to be broken by new writers and never given proper motivation. Almost as if they see it as a challenge, and it's been a theme over the past few years. With Batman, they actually had him using a gun, which I thought was a horrible decisions. I know it was a 'special' gun that fired a 'magic' bullet. It was still a gun and he was aiming to kill. If he's willing to cross the line for Darkseid, why not for the Joker and all these other killers?
 
Another issue was with Spider-man making a literal deal with the devil. The basic purpose of the character was built around the ideal of taking responsibility for your actions. It seems now that Peter Parker is completely willing to make selfish actions for his own purpose. He didn't take responsibility. 
When I heard the motivations for this from the people in charge. It felt to me like a giant middle finger to longtime readers. I haven't bought Spider-man since, and plan to never buy one as long as Quesada is in control of the series. This issue has proven to be a source of some "tension" between another Comic Vine user and myself.
Post by SamJaz (12,704 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Katie isn't coming. But soon we do get Vash's "Sidekick", if we call him that, and he is a total badass.
Post by cowdrunk (39 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@SamJaz said:
"Katie isn't coming. But soon we do get Vash's "Sidekick", if we call him that, and he is a total badass."

next to Vash I think he is my favorite charicter
Post by darfox8 (25 posts) See mini bio Level 6
The no killing angle definitely makes the show more interesting. I usually enjoy stories where the hero has a set of "rules" because the villains usually set up these traps made specifically for the hero to break his own rules(it was pretty much what all of The Dark Knight turned into). The hero usually has to come up with some clever loop hole to escape the death trap, and that hopefully makes for some fun viewing.
 
As I mentioned before, Vash is an anomaly in Trigun's fiction. Everyone is out for themselves so when they come across someone who's so interested in helping other people it usually freaks them out, or pisses them off for some reason(kinda like with Kaite).
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@rubberluffy said:
" Why would Vash let the kid travel with him?  If I remember correctly, he doesn't really want the girls following him, since he always ends up in trouble.  So a kid would be a big no-no.    
Well, what characters want is rarely what they get isn't it? 
 
The anime gun is definitely cooler.
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@FoxxFireArt said: 
I wouldn't say L is anime's Batman. L isn't so proactive and L is willing to kill for purpose. The first act we ever see him do sacrifice a convict to reveal Kira. Only comparison is they are both independently wealthy and both orphans. I also see L as a superior detective. Though, I blame that on writers not showing Bruce Wayne as a detective too often.
He does do more actual deduction, but the similarities are hard to dismiss... 
  1. Famous alias and secret identity.
  2. Multiple proteges who take over his mantle, some good, some bad. 
  3. A superemly skilled butler. 
  4. A wide variety of skills, including martial arts. 
  5. And,  yes,  absurdly rich orphans.
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@cowdrunk said:
" @SamJaz said:
"Katie isn't coming. But soon we do get Vash's "Sidekick", if we call him that, and he is a total badass."
next to Vash I think he is my favorite charicter "
Oh my... who could he be?
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@darfox8 said:
" The no killing angle definitely makes the show more interesting. I usually enjoy stories where the hero has a set of "rules" because the villains usually set up these traps made specifically for the hero to break his own rules(it was pretty much what all of The Dark Knight turned into). The hero usually has to come up with some clever loop hole to escape the death trap, and that hopefully makes for some fun viewing.    
Yeah exactly,it makes for interesting drama.
As I mentioned before, Vash is an anomaly in Trigun's fiction. Everyone is out for themselves so when they come across someone who's so interested in helping other people it usually freaks them out, or pisses them off for some reason(kinda like with Kaite). "
He's like the holy fool in this universe.
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@Tom_Pinchuk said:

" @FoxxFireArt said: 
 
He does do more actual deduction, but the similarities are hard to dismiss... 

  1. Famous alias and secret identity.
  2. Multiple proteges who take over his mantle, some good, some bad. 
  3. A superemly skilled butler. 
  4. A wide variety of skills, including martial arts. 
  5. And,  yes,  absurdly rich orphans.
"
All excellent points. Though Bruce is far more skilled in a multitude of  martial arts, and L is willing, though reluctant, to sacrifice other lives. L is a far superior detecive. I blame that one on the problem of many writers inability to write a challenging detective story.

I'm not sure I can accept  the idea proteges for holding the mantle. L's were raised to take the position at some point. Dick Grayson took it as nesscesity. Though, he never lived up to the ideal. He was a stand in at best. I never saw Batman's extended family as being raised to take his place.
Post by zaldar (1,264 posts) See mini bio Level 15

ug they gave batman a gun in the comics and spiderman litteraly made a deal with the devil??  God am I glad I don't read comics....gah.  Anime is just so much better....
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,642 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@zaldar: 
The Batman gun thing was kind of convoluted in the way they danced around it.  Batman was using a special gun that was firing a magic bullet on the villain Darkseid. Either way, you are having the hero break the one rule that makes him who he is with no real repercussions.
 
Having Spider-man make a deal with the actual devil. That was Joe Quesada's idea of getting rid of Spidey's marriage to Mary Jane. Apparently a divorce was off the table. They made is as if the marriage never existed and any events that were a part of the marriage never happened. Basically, taking decades of canon events and flushing them down the toilet at once. All because Quesada said new readers couldn't relate to a married super hero.
Which is why I said I wont buy a Spider-man comic as long as Quesada is in control of the series. That's going to be a long time seeing how he's now Marvel's chief editor.
 
Manga is a lot better at keeping character's consistent, but they also don't have to deal with keeping the series running for 50+ years. Not to mention a manga series normally have he same writer throughout the entire run.
Post by Tatsukishi (1 posts) See mini bio Level 3
To me he is wally west flash. He has a really unique quirky personality that does not take things seriously all the times but wields amazing power and has the heart to use it right.
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