Watch & Learn: TRIGUN #23

Topic started by No_name_here on Jan. 7, 2011. Last post by RugalB 3 years, 7 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (855 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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 Who is this masked man? What's his name? Is this another tidbit I'd have to read a companion guide to find out?
 Who is this masked man? What's his name? Is this another tidbit I'd have to read a companion guide to find out?

Wolfwood’s an eleventh hour member of the Gung Ho Guns?! Shouldn’t he have a title or something? Wolfwood the Priest? Wolfwood the Killer? Wolfwood the Chainsmoker? Maybe names and titles don’t really matter that much at this point, as his mentor (or whatever that guy was) shows up without much in the way of introductions. And their whole relationship was pretty murky. Was the big surprise here supposed to be that Wolfwood was a sleeper agent assigned to gain enough of Vash’s confidence to strike at him when he was vulnerable?

Just when I thought the costumes and gimmicks couldn’t get any more ridiculous, that patchwork desperado shows up with his fishing line sniper rifle. Yikes… you’d have thought that thing would’ve snapped off or caught on a cactus somewhere on that long, desert trek. Vash’s decoy fake-out was clever, but I’d say I was more surprised by a death in TRIGUN being handled with an actual measure of subtly. Seeing the bad guy’s ratty hat flopping about on his gun grave (pun!) was definitely more effective at getting the point across than actually seeing him blow his brains out would’ve been.

If this show's elicited some serious contemplation in me, it’s a renewal of my bemusement with people who claim not to be something when they’re clearly putting a lot of effort and enthusiasm into being that very thing. When I was doing MMA in college, for example, a lot of kids would insist that they “hated fighting.” And I’d say that they obviously didn't. Sure, maybe you don’t like picking fights on the street or such, but if you didn’t have a lot of physical aggression, why would you be investing all this training time into martial arts instead of some other activity - - like, say, ballet.  I feel the same way about Vash’s gunmanship vis a vis his pacificism. If he's so against killing, what's with the shiny, lovingly-designed gat?

Watch this episode, “Paradise,” below and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.    

    

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of  HYBRID BASTARDS!  &  UNIMAGINABLE . Order them on Amazon   here  &   here .  Follow him on Twitter:  @tompinchuk

Post by RugalB (3 posts) See mini bio Level 4
The "title" of Wolfwood is Nicolas the Punisher. You should read the mangas, far more better than the anime if you ask me.
Post by ninjadude853 (464 posts) See mini bio Level 12
As far as I understand (and I could be wrong) the Trigun anime is essentially an incredibly abridged version of the manga, stripped down to the bare essentials. Which is why the sniper isn't named or why Wolfwood doesn't have a title, because that info isn't essential to the story.
 
I really need to read the manga.
Post by gla55jAw (109 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@RugalB said:
" The "title" of Wolfwood is Nicolas the Punisher. You should read the mangas, far more better than the anime if you ask me. "
There are actually a few times during the series that certain Gung Ho Guns were about to say his nick name and he always yells at them to "never mention that name". Just something you pick up on after you watch the series a few times.
 
And as for Vash's shiny gun, Knives gave it to him so he's always held onto it.
Post by darfox8 (25 posts) See mini bio Level 6
I found a cyber cafe and now I catch up. They mention a ´´black chaple´´ a few times that might be his mentors name that gets transitioned to Wolfwood. The Wolrwood twist is less last minute in he manga. In fact it´s not even really a twist. It´s obvious early on that he knows about Knives and he refuses to let Vash know how or why. Vash generally trust him so he doesn´t push the subject too much. His purpose(which might be a slight spoiler at this point, I can´t remember) was to protect Vash and make sure he doesn´t die. Knives want´s Vash to suffer and is throwing all these freaks at him to, hopefully, make him see the blackness in humanity. But he never wants him to die, just suffer and change his perspective on mankind.
Post by No_name_here (855 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@RugalB said:
" The "title" of Wolfwood is Nicolas the Punisher. You should read the mangas, far more better than the anime if you ask me. "
Huh... go figure. I can guess why they wouldn't call him the Punisher in the English dub. 
 
By the way... did your screen name from the SNK boss?
Post by No_name_here (855 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@ninjadude853 said:
" As far as I understand (and I could be wrong) the Trigun anime is essentially an incredibly abridged version of the manga, stripped down to the bare essentials. Which is why the sniper isn't named or why Wolfwood doesn't have a title, because that info isn't essential to the story. 
I guess I can see that. But if that's the case, then the manga must REALLY run long.
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@gla55jAw said:
" @RugalB said:
" The "title" of Wolfwood is Nicolas the Punisher. You should read the mangas, far more better than the anime if you ask me. "
There are actually a few times during the series that certain Gung Ho Guns were about to say his nick name and he always yells at them to "never mention that name". Just something you pick up on after you watch the series a few times. 
Huh... pieces of the puzzle, locking together.
Post by ninjadude853 (464 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@Tom_Pinchuk:  Apparantly it ran for about two years before the magazine that published it went under. And then it was picked up by a different publisher and lasted for nine years. So yeah, it's pretty long.
Post by Lurkero (405 posts) See mini bio Level 7
The Manga outlived the anime by several years. I think it ended in 2006 or 2007 last time I checked.
 
I watched the anime first and for the longest time thought the manga was just a retelling of the anime. I never bothered to look inside and see that the manga came first.
Post by RugalB (3 posts) See mini bio Level 4
By the way, the sniper is named  "Caine the Longshot" (how original), and Ninelives is very different in the mangas. 
And in France, they translated plant like plant, instead of factory, in the french DVD.
Post by Superkenon (1 posts) See mini bio Level 3
It's not just that the manga's longer... it kinda - eventually - goes down a different road too, if I recall correctly.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, Wolfwood was a true Gung Ho Gun from the very beginning in the manga version.  And the sniper may have been an anime-only character. 
 
@RugalB said:

" By the way, the sniper is named  "Caine the Longshot" (how original), and Ninelives is very different in the mangas.  And in France, they translated plant like plant, instead of factory, in the french DVD. "

I can't recall why now, but I always thought the "plants" in Trigun were named for the organism anyway.  Did anyone else get this impression?
Post by RugalB (3 posts) See mini bio Level 4
As they produce energy, i thought of them as factories more than plants. And i can't imagine Vash as a vegetable. But maybe the author war really thinking of them as the organism, i don't know.
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