Watch & Learn: TRIGUN #22

Topic started by No_name_here on Jan. 5, 2011. Last post by spiffyg 3 years, 6 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (854 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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  Never trust precocious kids.     
 Never trust precocious kids.     

Out of all the influences going into TRIGUN, I never would’ve expected Frank Herbert’s DUNE to be one of them. It is the most successful sci-fi novel of all time, of course, so it probably shouldn’t be that shocking. This isn’t even the first time I’ve seen sandworms make a “guest appearance” in an anime, either. Way, way back when I first started this column, they showed up in the pilot episode of COYOTE RAGTIME and, after doing a little searching online, it looks like they’ve appeared in a lot of shows, from NEGIMA to EXCEL SAGA and even to DRAGONBALL GT.

Huh. Interesting. I guess it’s a bit like how orcs have been co-opted by every sword & sorcery writer as if they were “public domain” creatures from folk lore when they were actually created Tolkien specifically for LORD OF THE RINGS.

To throw out another pop culture parallel, the show gets a lot more MAD MAX in this one, with the orphan community reminding me a whole hell of a lot of the lost kids in BEYOND THUNDERDOME. Funnily enough, it’d actually be a lot more fitting (either by irony or actual appropriateness) to call Vash or Wolfwood “Mr. Death.” Their kill-or-don’t-kill seesaw swings to a different side in this one and, yeah, I can say I got behind how Wolfwood handles Zazie the beast. Maybe it was excessive, maybe it was hasty, but I got a lot of (perhaps sick) enjoyment of how he put the kibosh on the kid so quickly while Vash is just standing there, blinking stupidly.

By the way, are they ever going to explain the significance of the title? My understanding is that Trigun is a Shinto demon, but that understanding's based off a villain in TEEN TITANS having the same name, so it might be a little off. Call me crazy, but I sense that there's a pun there because of all the gun play. Is it as simple as Vash being like a pistol-packing devil? Or is there going to be greater significance?

Watch this episode, “Alternate,” below and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.    

   

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of  HYBRID BASTARDS!  &  UNIMAGINABLE . Order them on Amazon   here  &   here .  Follow him on Twitter:  @tompinchuk

Post by rubberluffy (567 posts) See mini bio Level 16
I always assumed the title refers to the fact that Vash has 3 guns.  His revolver, his hidden gun-arm, and the Angel Arm.
Post by metalsnakezero (665 posts) See mini bio Level 16
@rubberluffy said:
" I always assumed the title refers to the fact that Vash has 3 guns.  His revolver, his hidden gun-arm, and the Angel Arm. "
That would make sense. I can't think of anything else that Trigun would mean.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,638 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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If you are looking for logic in the titles of some anime/manga series. I think you'd have better luck trying to chew off your own leg. Just look at the series BLEACH. I've yet to understand why it has that title. Still, it doesn't really matter what the title is. It's the story inside that matters.
 
It's the same reason why I didn't really mind that Detective Conan's title was changed to Case Closed for the U.S.. What I couldn't forgive was changing all the characters names from Japanese to Europeans. For a series where little details mean so much. VIZ butchered the story. Even some of their translation work was wrong. Something inexcusable in a company that's main job is translation.
Post by DearDiablo (9 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@rubberluffy said:
"I always assumed the title refers to the fact that Vash has 3 guns.  His revolver, his hidden gun-arm, and the Angel Arm. "

Yeah, this is my rationale for the title as well. We can also include the fact that Wolfwood has the machine gun in his cross, a rocket launcher, and several guns inside. It might be a stretch to consider the multiple hand guns in there as one gun, but it helps me sleep at night. 
 
And oh, the meaning behind Bleach. Something my friends and I have had fun discussing. I originally thought it was because Ichigo's hair looks bleached. Some say it's because the Soul Reapers "bleach" the Hollows' souls. Some say Tite Kubo is a big Nirvana fan and named it after the album. lol. But he said it was because when he wanted to originally call it "Black" or "White" they were too nondescript, so he went with "Bleach" with conveys the idea of whiteness while sounding different. Sorry to get off track, let's get back to discussing Trigun.
Post by gla55jAw (109 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@FoxxFireArt said:
" If you are looking for logic in the titles of some anime/manga series. I think you'd have better luck trying to chew off your own leg. Just look at the series BLEACH. I've yet to understand why it has that title. Still, it doesn't really matter what the title is. It's the story inside that matters.
Yeah, I think it's just called Trigun because it sounds cool. That or for Vash''s 3 guns. But to answer Tom, they don't explain the name at all.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,158 posts) See mini bio Level 21
Trigun means, the three guns. Vash has a silver gun that he carries with him all the time, he also another hidden gun on his left arm, actually, his left arm is a mechanical gun, but he rarely use it, so it's not well known to his enemies. The last gun, is perhaps, the most secret one, that is the Angel Arm. 
Post by Om1kron (141 posts) See mini bio Level 7
keep watching, they explain what it is around the last 3 episodes I believe. 
Post by Lurkero (398 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Why worry about what the name means? Trigun sounds cool! END OF STORY! What the hell is a Cowboy Bebop anyways? 
 
Also, is it wrong that I cheered when Wolfwood shot the kid? I think I was 12 or 13 when I first saw that scene.
Post by No_name_here (854 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@FoxxFireArt said:
If you are looking for logic in the titles of some anime/manga series. I think you'd have better luck trying to chew off your own leg. Just look at the series BLEACH. I've yet to understand why it has that title. 
I figured it was because the main character bleached his hair.
Post by No_name_here (854 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@DearDiablo said:
" @rubberluffy said:
"I always assumed the title refers to the fact that Vash has 3 guns.  His revolver, his hidden gun-arm, and the Angel Arm. "

Yeah, this is my rationale for the title as well. We can also include the fact that Wolfwood has the machine gun in his cross, a rocket launcher, and several guns inside. It might be a stretch to consider the multiple hand guns in there as one gun, but it helps me sleep at night. 
Huh... there's just a ton of applications.
 
 Some say Tite Kubo is a big Nirvana fan and named it after the album. lol. But he said it was because when he wanted to originally call it "Black" or "White" they were too nondescript, so he went with "Bleach" with conveys the idea of whiteness while sounding different.
And now we've arrived to the real reason. Because it sounded cool.
Post by No_name_here (854 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@Om1kron said:
" keep watching, they explain what it is around the last 3 episodes I believe.  "
I'll hold you to that guarantee.
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@lurkero said:
" Why worry about what the name means? Trigun sounds cool! END OF STORY! What the hell is a Cowboy Bebop anyways?   
Ah c'mon. It makes total sense. The bounty hunters are called cowboys, and their ship's named the Bebop. And Cowboy Bebop is a future-changing art form.
Also, is it wrong that I cheered when Wolfwood shot the kid? 
We're in agreement, man! Look at the review!
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,638 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@Tom_Pinchuk said:
" @FoxxFireArt said:
I figured it was because the main character bleached his hair. "
That would be very incorrect. That's Ichigo's natural hair color. If you follow the story, it's actually one of plot points of why people always gave him a hard time growing up. People who stand out in that manner often become targets. It's why he studied so hard in school, so teachers wouldn't have an excuse to give him a hard time; and why he always ended up getting into fights.
 
Far as I'm concerned, titles don't mean that much. It's judging the book by the cover. It's what's inside the story that matters. It's why I so strongly object when manga stories are altered or censored in the U.S..
Post by AgentJ (1,545 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@Tom_Pinchuk said:
"
 
 Some say Tite Kubo is a big Nirvana fan and named it after the album. lol. But he said it was because when he wanted to originally call it "Black" or "White" they were too nondescript, so he went with "Bleach" with conveys the idea of whiteness while sounding different.
And now we've arrived to the real reason. Because it sounded cool. "
The Nirvana thing is actually the legit reason, as relayed by Shonen Jump. You'll find music and pop culture references throughout the series, especially in the early chapters. The majority of the chapter names are in reference to album or song names. 
Post by sickVisionz (4,221 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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One of my favorite eps along with the introduction of kid Knives and the first time Vash got serious against the monster with the robo-arm.  Glad you enjoyed.
Post by spiffyg (125 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@FoxxFireArt:  totally agree
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