Watch & Learn: TIGER & BUNNY #20

Topic started by gia on Sept. 18, 2009. Last post by Destinyheroknight 2 years, 10 months ago.
Post by gia (3,032 posts) See mini bio Level 13
Gaze into the near-sighted eyes of evil.
Gaze into the near-sighted eyes of evil.

Appreciating a well-written villainy requires you to take a step back from your viewing experience. If you’re frustrated at what’s happening in the plot, if you’re annoyed that the bad guys have cheated to get the upper hand, if you’re shaking with the burning desire to see those bad guys out of the picture… then the writers are doing their job perfectly. The “villains you love to hate” are the ones who get all the attention; they’re the ones who get put on t-shirts and who kids want to buy action figures of. However, I’d argue that less-sexy, less-fun villains like Mr. Maverick are the harder ones to write though - - and they’re also the more effective kind of heel.

Man, I’m just dying to see Kotetsu put the hurt on this guy. I want him to pop that nasty wart on his nose.

I’m starting to suspect that Tiger might actually have a second NEXT power, himself. He’s obviously got Longshot’s dumb luck ability (or intuition, as he’d probably prefer to call it.) Seriously, he went through all the filibustering nonsense about getting matching pins to make that day at the ice rink memorable and, lo and behold, that’s what saves him from getting brainwashed. That’s what’s probably going to end up saving the day for everybody, too.

To shot-call the now-requisite American comics, this particular twist makes me think of the big Marvel story arc HOUSE OF M which was about all the heroes getting sucked into an world-gone-mad alternate reality. Wolverine somehow was the only hero who could remember the old reality and a big chunk of the plot involved him trying to shake the rest of the heroes out of their supernatural brainwashing. I suppose that adds another “meta” angle on Maverick’s retcon powers, then, since he’s essentially putting everybody on HERO TV into another 'verse.

Though I’d still have to say that doping everybody’s tea to get this business done is a significantly-less agro approach than what you would've usually seen in this genre. Just an observation, of course. Nobody get upset, alright?

Watch this episode "Full of Courtesy, Full of Craft" below, decide for yourself and then read my comments on the previous episode here.

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS! & UNIMAGINABLE. Order them on Amazon here & here. Follow him on Twitter: @tompinchuk

Post by Lurkero (399 posts) See mini bio Level 7

At this point in the show Kotetsu's ignorance and naivety was really turning me off. I couldn't like his character anymore cause he was just dumb to not even get suspicious. I know the show is supposed to be a little goofy but that was too much for me.

Post by Marshal Victory (1,913 posts) See mini bio Level 13

"Gaze into the near-sighted eyes of evil."....

Must rember to use that line in the future.Tho i have used eyeglasses of evil an spectacles of doom to describe my own glasses.None the less good points on the show.Imho Tiger has a healing ability besides his short term strength /invul burst .Which in some ways afects the way he handles things.More to the destructive side i think.Hes no batman thats for sure.

So wish they went with Hero TV for show name.But that would not reflect the shows goofy side tho i supose.

Post by buhssuht (223 posts) See mini bio Level 19

plot twist, that wart IS the mastermind

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Why is this on a 2 year old forum topic? Please tell me I'm not the only one who is seeing this....

Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@ZombiePie: Uh, what?  Edit: Oh wait, you're right.  What in the world.  And it also says the author is Gia.
 
It was pretty funny how prominent those pins were shown in the first OP of the show when they actually were such a minor plot point item.
Post by cynically_happy (115 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Oh thank god, I thought it was just me who saw that the article was posted by gia. Any idea why that is
Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Turambar said:

@ZombiePie: Uh, what? Edit: Oh wait, you're right. What in the world. And it also says the author is Gia. It was pretty funny how prominent those pins were shown in the first OP of the show when they actually were such a minor plot point item.

I am so confused right now..............

LOL WUT?
LOL WUT?
Post by Little_Socrates (45 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Totally intending to catch up on this show now, sounds like it reaches a School Days level of villainy.

Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@ZombiePie: Also note the over 2000 views.  Ah, if only that part was real.
Post by Roldan (81 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@Little_Socrates said:

Totally intending to catch up on this show now, sounds like it reaches a School Days level of villainy.

except it's good.

Post by Little_Socrates (45 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Roldan: I think School Days was excellent, just beyond painful to watch. I've met no one watching School Days that doesn't absolutely revile Makoto by the fourth or fifth episode, and that makes the final episode all the sweeter. I'm not sure if the show intends to draw a finer line as to whether we're supposed to hate Sekai and Kotonoha as much as Makoto or not, as I've known some people who certainly sympathize with one or the other even at the show's finale. Otherwise, though, I think it's incredibly effective, and I think back on the show extremely fondly despite frothing at the mouth with rage while I was watching it.

Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Little_Socrates: What school days does is honestly a pretty interesting deconstruction of the whole harem based visual novel mythos.  It depicts realistic consequences of the common goal within the sub-genre of trying to bone as many girls as possible.
Post by LifeByDegrees (16 posts) See mini bio Level 7

I like how things- no matter how ridiculous- no matter how dragged or cut out they may seem in the show- are always pulled together in the end.

Not entirely sure

I'm just not sure how things will work out. I'll be patient.

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Little_Socrates: @Turambar: And I think School Days is garbage. There's zero subtly and it lacks reasonable and logical character development that are far from the "realistic consequences" that fans of the show claim it depicts. I was frothing of rage not because I was engage with the material but because nothing made sense and no reasonable human being would ever act the way the characters behaved. I would further like to claim that the "consequences" depicted are just smut haphazardly placed in the show to drum up controversy to get people interested in the show to make it sell better. Which means, in my books at least, the creators of School Days are the worst type of people on this planet.

Post by Roldan (81 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@Little_Socrates said:

@Roldan: I think School Days was excellent, just beyond painful to watch. I've met no one watching School Days that doesn't absolutely revile Makoto by the fourth or fifth episode, and that makes the final episode all the sweeter. I'm not sure if the show intends to draw a finer line as to whether we're supposed to hate Sekai and Kotonoha as much as Makoto or not, as I've known some people who certainly sympathize with one or the other even at the show's finale. Otherwise, though, I think it's incredibly effective, and I think back on the show extremely fondly despite frothing at the mouth with rage while I was watching it.

Almost everything was bad in the anime except maybe the ending which got a few chuckles out of me. Well that came mostly because Makoto was such a sissy, i mean the girl that killed looked as strong as 10 year old yet she still could take him down and had the time to cut his head of. I'd probably consider School Days to be The Room of anime, only because it's still pretty funny in a bad way.

I'd rather want to watch better anime based on hentai games, like Air or Kanon.

Post by Little_Socrates (45 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ZombiePie: School Days is definitely not subtle, I agree with that. I immediately knew not to take it as realistic, though; School Days is practically the school Kane & Lynch, Light Yagami, and Lelouch of the Rebellion graduated from, and by exaggerating the ridiculous I feel like they effectively highlight the evil of naïvete. If you're looking for realism, though, I agree that it would be absolutely enraging in an extremely bad way.

@Roldan: I won't disagree that Air and Kanon are better, that's for sure, but that's because I think those are two of the best series out there. That said, they also serve an entirely different purpose, as do Fate/stay Night and Shuffle!, so that's not really an appropriate comparison. Makoto being a sissy is pretty much the point of the show, and you're SUPPOSED to hate him.

Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@ZombiePie: When I say "realistic",  it is still bound in the caveat that the male lead still acts, and succeeds, as the male lead of a generic visual novel: try to bone all the chicks and discard all the ones you've boned.  Of course it's not something any normal human being would do, or succeed at either with his set of character traits.  That's why seeing this rendition of the adventures of the spineless male lead archetype and the ensuing mass of drama was enjoyable.
Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Turambar: There has to be a better way to depict consequences that doesn't involve sudden mental breakdowns that come at no warning. Is it wrong to ask for subtle character development with actions that are built up is a discernible manner? There has to be a better way of going about it. I have to believe there is.

Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@ZombiePie: There are, just not in a ultimately mediocre harem show.  Full disclosure, I don't really think School Days was good.  But I enjoyed watching it for the deviation from the usual script of that genre regardless. 
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