Watch & Learn: TIGER & BUNNY #13

Topic started by No_name_here on Sept. 4, 2011. Last post by Marshal Victory 2 years, 12 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (855 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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You just going to lay there like a bum?
You just going to lay there like a bum?

OK, this show could stand have a little more blood in its teeth. Sure, Barnaby doesn’t have to kill Jake - - he doesn’t even have to beat the tar out of him - - but he’s seriously just going to keep his retribution to one mildly-powered cross? He’s got the man who’s ruined his entire life in his clutches and that’s all he’s going to do? And, maybe more importantly, that’s all the beating that this evil son of a bitch could take? We’re in the middle of a long-form serial, and there’s surely more to come (and a three-episode arc is fairly long, by comparison, I suppose) but Mr. Jake still went down a lot of faster than I was expecting him to. I was waiting for Lunatic to take this guy out because that was definitely a shoe that was dangling over all this business.

Jake has to be a lot lower on the Ouroboros totem pole than he appeared, because you lunatics all know it’s a sure bet that the ol’ “kill or don’t kill conundrum” is going to pop up around this evil organization later. If not, if they're done with already, then they’ve got to be the lamest evil organization ever. Three members? That’s not a cabal, that’s a dinner date with somebody’s cold fish brother tagging along. I mean, the Hero TV kids aren’t even supposed to be a real outfi and they’re pulling together better as some kind of cracker jack rec team.

Speaking along those lines, I guess Kotetsu might be the most realistic hero I’ve encountered in, well, any kind of adventure fiction because he’s actually got all the less-sexy inconsistency of a normal human being. Some days he’s on, and some days he’s off, and the oscillation doesn't happen in an especially charming way. The breakthrough of trust he comes to with Barnaby in this episode feels like something that only happened to be proven right because of circumstances. I’m not saying that that’s necessarily a bad thing, but it’s an interesting angle on superheroes spinning out of how this is a generally more easy-going take on the genre.

One other thing - - is Barnaby actually a NEXT or does the suit give him powers? If it’s so out-of-the-question for Jake to have two abilities, then how unusual is it for these two guys to have the same Hundred power? It hasn't been that clear.

Watch this episode "Confidence is a Plant of Slow Growth" below, decide for yourself and then read my comments on the previous episode here.

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS! & UNIMAGINABLE. Order them on Amazon here & here. Follow him on Twitter: @tompinchuk

Post by metalsnakezero (670 posts) See mini bio Level 16
Barnaby is indeed a NEXT, it just that he has the same powers as Kotetsu. 
I feel that your impression on the AnimeVice audience views on death may come from the fact that this isn't very broad audience since people else where view death being a really bad thing even if the bad guy deserves it.
Post by Lurkero (405 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Jake's defeat was rather anticlimactic, but at the time I was okay with it because I thought the show was going to get grander with its action and plot. I have to say I am so far disappointed.
 
I don't usually like putting expectations in other people's mind, but brace yourself for disappointment Tom, this series does not get better after this arc. You mention where is Lunatic in the review, well, I just watched episode 23 and I am wondering the same thing. I have been following watch and learn for a while and if you've paid attention to my comments you probably recognize that Lunatic is the type of character I always desire to stir up conflict. Lunatic kills criminals just like I wish Batman would do, and for Lunatic to not be there to put an end to Jake was very disappointing to me.
 
I look forward to the watch and learns of T&B to see if you will have the same reaction to the 2nd half of the season as I did. The bad part is that there is no other new show this season that interests me so I am stuck watching a show that has continuously let me down.
Post by Roldan (81 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Lurkero said:
Jake's defeat was rather anticlimactic, but at the time I was okay with it because I thought the show was going to get grander with its action and plot. I have to say I am so far disappointed.  I don't usually like putting expectations in other people's mind, but brace yourself for disappointment Tom, this series does not get better after this arc. You mention where is Lunatic in the review, well, I just watched episode 23 and I am wondering the same thing. I have been following watch and learn for a while and if you've paid attention to my comments you probably recognize that Lunatic is the type of character I always desire to stir up conflict. Lunatic kills criminals just like I wish Batman would do, and for Lunatic to not be there to put an end to Jake was very disappointing to me.  I look forward to the watch and learns of T&B to see if you will have the same reaction to the 2nd half of the season as I did. The bad part is that there is no other new show this season that interests me so I am stuck watching a show that has continuously let me down.
I kinda thought the series got better. First we get an episode about Blue Rose, then we get an episode with Sky High (my favorite side character) and then the series switches full-on with Kotetsu as the one that we follow. It's get pretty awesome for example an episode with family. I thought the two episodes with Jake Martinez was okay but i thought everything got bogged down because we needed a villain before the time-skip. Also we had that fucking awesome episode about Lunatic's past.
 
Also Batman should never kill. He's not a killer, he's a hero. I keep thinking about the ending to The Killing Joke when Batman talks to Joker.
Post by Lurkero (405 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Roldan said:

@Lurkero said:

...Lunatic kills criminals just like I wish Batman would do, and for Lunatic to not be there to put an end to Jake was very disappointing to me...

...Also Batman should never kill. He's not a killer, he's a hero. I keep thinking about the ending to The Killing Joke when Batman talks to Joker.
And I keep thinking about the line from The Dark Knight Returns when the Joker is on a murdering spree and Batman stops him, but doesn't kill him. The Joker then mentions that he will continue killing people until Batman kills him.
Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10

You seem to misunderstand Ouroboros' role in Bunny's plot. It was never a fight against the entire organization. Bunny was simply looking for one man within said group. Also someone who has put all faith in his ability to read people's thoughts and block them with his shield ability letting his own physical endurance slack off makes far more sense than you are giving it.

And as others have mentioned, Bunny is a NEXT. Their suits do give them extra endurance as seen by Saito's demonstration in the second episode.'

@Lurkero: And that's why I still feel Bunny's backstory and plot is the less interesting of the two in the show. That's where the grand conspiracy and combat comes from. On the other hand, Tiger's story has always been a far more personal "what does it mean to be a hero", and the amount of pathos the show hits him with in that aspect is actually very, very delicious.

Post by Marshal Victory (2,149 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@Lurkero: they guy you want is the Punisher. None of these heroes fit that role. Wishing them to be helps you miss part of their charm. As well as wishing for something thats not their.It will always make whatever ya watch apear less.By the way i dig the punisher.But batman will never be the punisher.Just as the heroes anti heroes in this show will not be.  
 
Whatever state gotham is in it should have the death penalty .Jokers a prime example of why their should be .. 
  
  
  http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/the-joker.html
 
back to the topic at hand .Few points for Mr.Pinchuk watching an leanrings...

1st. Ouroboros is more than 3 people. Time will show that cough. 
 
2nd. The second half of the series i think gets better .Their is some blood but not horror show amounts. An some things happen off screen.In part  this is because of the audiance their pitiching to.I would love it to take a dark turn ala Black Lagoon.But theirs a reason it boreders saterday mornng cartoon style.Which imho is also part of its charm.  
 
Just stradling that line.One can wish for more or the other but that makes what you watch tainted by your own wishes.With anime i dont see where everything is headed like oh network tv shows.An things wil happen in this show that you wount expect.
 
3rd.Ya Tigers more fleshed out personality wise. i think most would get along with him.Where as Barnaby not so much. Tho part of his history is more shown than Tigers. 
 
Side note just started watching One Piece an Luffys cook sure sounds familar.
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