Almost Otaku: How Much Does THE MATRIX Owe to Anime?

Topic started by No_name_here on May 26, 2010. Last post by Undeadpool 4 years, 7 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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I said that watching EVANGELION was the first time my imagination had been so totally captured by a show in years.  Let me clarify that it’s been captured by comics and novels recently, but the last time a show - - either on TV or in the theater - - intrigued me like this was MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, and that was seven years ago.  Thus, it was definitely a breath of fresh air to follow a sci-fi show that really drew me into its world, that got me discussing the intricacies of its secrets and analyzing its mythos.

A lot of fans have commented that THE MATRIX was basically a live-action anime. I don’t think that comment is really far off because I remember reading some behind-the-scenes blurb about the Wachowski Brothers showing clips of GHOST IN THE SHELL to Warner Bros. and saying that they wanted to pull that off “in real life.”   Hence, “bullet time.” Now, I don’t think that diminishes the creativity of the series, at all. I was around when cartoonists, novelists and unpublished whack-jobs were accusing the series of ripping them off and I don’t buy it. Sure… there are many influences that went into the series.  William Gibson’s cyberpunk novels, Jean Baudrillard’s philosophy, John Woo’s gangster movies and many, many American comics, to name a few. Those are influences, just the same as Akira Kurosawa, Joseph Campbell, Frank Herbert and FLASH GORDON influenced  STAR WARS.

So what I’m curious about is what anime do you lunatics figure influenced THE MATRIX. I remember somebody describing the ANIMATRIX as a “returning of the favor to the world of anime.” What works gave that favor in the first place? Fill me in. I'd love to hear what you have to think.

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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Matrix = Huge Direct Rip off of Serial Experiments Lain
Post by gendo7 (9 posts) See mini bio Level 1
The Matrix was a complete ripoff of MegaZone 23, but the Wachowski Brothers won't admit to it.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@hitsusatsu11:  Didn't LAIN come out only a year before the first movie?
Post by Naruto79 (58 posts) See mini bio Level 3
Everything... plus they got sued for using elements of another person's scrip anyways. Sooo...
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Tom_Pinchuk: yes a year or so. The later matrix movies seem to heavily borrow from it. (architect ect.)
Post by ReVolutionOfEvangelion (102 posts) See mini bio Level 3
Animatrix is one of the main things that got me into anime, particularly the well-made 20 minute documentary on "history of anime for the complete beginner" thing they put in.  I had started by watching the Matrix Trilogy as part of my university  English composition class (it was scifi themed; we also covered Blade Runner) and we had to watch the Animatrix.
 
I wrote a whole paper on how The Merovingian is basically Thomas Hobbes.
Post by Lemegeton300 (300 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@ReVolutionOfEvangelion said:
I had started by watching the Matrix Trilogy as part of my university  English composition class (it was scifi themed; we also covered Blade Runner) and we had to watch the Animatrix. 
you got to watch those as part of english class. you lucky SOB, lol.
 
yeah the matrix borrowed heavily from anime. i remember watching the first movie and certain parts felt lifted straight from ghost in the shell
Post by aurahack (15 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Animatrix was fucking terrible. :/
Post by mewarmo990 (5 posts) See mini bio Level 4
Animatrix = anime based on movie based on anime :P
 
I don't mind that the Matrix series was heavily influenced by anime. No one had made anything notable like it on film before, after all.
Post by Olivaw (30 posts) See mini bio Level 4
There's this thing called Akira...
Post by transgojobot (122 posts) See mini bio Level 2
The one short from Animatrix that I loved the most was "Beyond", produced by Studio 4℃; it showcased a part of the series' mythology that I really wanted to see more of and was that I did.
Post by Stefan (2 posts) See mini bio Level 4
In terms of story Matrix was mostly influenced by the 1973 German TV production "Welt am Draht". Though it's a mostly boring movie in my opinion it deals with everything Matrix does.
Post by newave (102 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@hitsusatsu11: i agree 100%....on a side note i just watched some 4 part anime called balder force exe....if anyone is into lain or the matrix movies this is along the same lines...and isn't great or anything ...but not a bad watch.
Post by dvorak (7 posts) See mini bio Level 4
The first scene where Morpheus is teaching Neo to "let go" and make that big jump. That shot is lifted directly from Ghost in the Shell. Even the tiles break upwards the same way they did in the anime.
Post by Boddington (169 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@mewarmo990 said:
" Animatrix = anime based on movie based on anime :P "
That just about distills the issue right there. It's kinda mind-boggling. Not to say I didn't enjoy parts of Animatrix: how cool were the "World Record" and "Beyond" segments?
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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See this is why I think the claims about it ripping off this and that are kinda bunk. People aren't even in agreement about which anime it is, here. And I've heard as many claims about cyberpunk novels, American comics, and even old episodes of DR. WHO and STAR TREK. The whole notion of simulated reality is really just in the zeitgeist - - it isn't really patented. If that weren't the case, why didn't people accuse all these "source" works of ripping eachother off when they first rolled out? It's not like they all debuted at the same time.
Post by Fabe (56 posts) See mini bio Level 6
@gendo7 said:

" The Matrix was a complete ripoff of MegaZone 23, but the Wachowski Brothers won't admit to it. "

In that case megazone 23 is a complete rip off of  the 1965 french movie  
"Alphaville"  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphaville_%28film%29
Post by miva2 (12 posts) See mini bio Level 7
we're talking about the entertainment industry. OF COURSE they use successful parts of what others made in order to make something good.
what matters is that the matrix trilogy has good movies and offers a lot of entertainment.
aren't all anime/movies/games borrowing stuff from other anime/movies/games? they just add their own twist to it to make a new anime/movie/game/whatever. that's just how the entertainment industry works
Post by HawkofLight (28 posts) See mini bio Level 3

Yeah. ALMOST anything compleatly original is never really that good. But when somthings influenced it turns out to be great. I think the physical fighting in the 1st Matrix was highly influenced by DBZ, as well as the final fight in the 3rd installment. 
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