Why is Kami Tenchi considered omnipotent?

Topic started by Veiler on Aug. 13, 2012. Last post by Supreme Marvel 1 year, 8 months ago.
Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

1. It's never explained that he's omnipotent in the show or in an author interview.

2. He doesn't have any good feats.

Why is this guy consider omnipotent again? What do the fanboys have to say in his defense?

Post by niBBit (663 posts) See mini bio Level 11

This is not a battle.

Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

Okay, then move it to the appropriate forum.

Keep in mind that this thread will be used as a forum weapon against anyone who claims that Kami Tenchi has a chance against Demonbane.

Post by Supreme Marvel (5,044 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Because there are three chousin who have the powers of god. .Omnipotent, Omnipresence and Omniscience. Tenchi as you see in the last episode of the 3rd OVA clearly out does them.

Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

Sorry. Omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience is never mentioned.

Post by Supreme Marvel (5,044 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Veiler said:

Sorry. Omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience is never mentioned.

Then you're not listening.

EDIT: I watched the Japanese audio/Eng Sub ones. Did you?

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Supreme Marvel: You mean nigh-omnipotence with the Choushin, right? Considering the three were questioning the existence of a power greater than their own, they wouldn't be considered omnipotent if there is someone greater than them.  
 
@Veiler:  

1. It's never explained that he's omnipotent in the show or in an author interview. 


 
He was. Kami Tenchi was aware of events yet to come with Tenchi and was apparently great enough where the Choushin had to use differing means that they thought would trigger his existence coming to being. He was one of the few things in the series that the Choushin had no easy means of fully comprehending.  
 


  2. He doesn't have any good feats.  


 
He was able to calm down and wipe out the Counter-actor rather easily as the Choushin couldn't take her out due to her status as a counter-balance to their influence on existence. I'd say that is an impressive enough feat on top of knowing of things yet to come and being one of the few things in existence that the Choushin weren't fully aware of.
Post by Supreme Marvel (5,044 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Dream said:

@Supreme Marvel: You mean nigh-omnipotence with the Choushin, right? Considering the three were questioning the existence of a power greater than their own, they wouldn't be considered omnipotent if there is someone greater than them. .

They wanted to create a being beyond their omniscience, by creating anomalies across the multiverse. Which created Z and Tench; who had more potential.

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Supreme Marvel: Not quite. At some point after the Choushin created the Tenchi multiverse, they became aware of the possibility that there was a being far greater than them in power that existed. So to bring out this higher being, each of the Choushin devised different means in which to draw out the being, Tokimi's means being the creation of different anomalies throughout the multiverse which led to Z gaining the Light Hawk Wings. Tsunami created the Juraian Empire to create a superior race that could eventually lead to the birth of the higher being in a human form. Washu gave up her powers and memories as a Choushin sealed in three gems to become human so she could start fresh with knowledge and eventually encounter knowledge that leads her to know of facts concerning the higher being's existence.
Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@Supreme Marvel: Yes I watched the fan sub.

@Dream: That's not proof. In fact it has nothing to do with what you're replying to. I want a direct screen cap from the anime with subs explaining that he's omnipotent, not some fanboy excuse based off of fallacies and flawed reasoning.

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Veiler: Not quite flawed or based on personal bias. Kami Tenchi was sought out by a trio of goddesses who created the very multiverse and have knowledge of all its various properties, except for Kami Tenchi's very existence which contradicted the omnipotence they believed themselves to have. Not to mention much like TOAA being an Author Avatar of Marvel Comics founder Stan Lee, Tenchi/ Kami Tenchi is implied to be Tenchi Muyo series creator Masaki Kajishima putting himself in his own series to satisfy his personal harem fantasies. Also unlike most anime/ manga franchises, Kajishima is known to also write up novels and doujinshi that expand upon characters and elements to the world of the Tenchi franchise. There is a well-known Tenchi site I'm familiar with that provides plenty of answers to common questions regarding both the storyline and behind the scenes elements to the Tenchi franchise called Tenchi Muyo! FAQ which is one of the best sources for Tenchi info I've come across online. Here are some answers to questions regarding the matter of Tenchi's status and the purpose of the Choushin: 
 

What's the Third OAV going to be about? 
 
This is a summary of what was revealed in the   Kajishima-sensei interview: Much of the OAV is going to consist of the "Choushin Contest," some sort of contest between Tsunami, Washu, and their sister, the mysterious Tokimi-sama. A new character named "Z" will be introduced. "Z" is a servant of Tokimi-sama's and will have to fight Tenchi.  


 

Wait!  Choushin War is how it was translated in the interview.  Why are you calling it Choushin Contest? 
 
Because "Choushin War" was a mistranslation.  The three Choushin were in a contest to find a  kami  (god) higher then themselves and they set about to find this in their own unique ways.  Tenchi was what they were looking for.  As such, there was never a war between the three sisters. 


 

Tenchi is a  kami? 
 
Yep.  That is why he was not only able to generate his own Light Hawk Wings, but do material conversions with them. 

 

I'm still not 100% clear on the Choushin's Purpose.  Can you explain? 
 

Sure.  The Choushin are high-level entities who created the 3rd-dimension and other dimensions as well.  However, at some point they became aware of the possibility of a higher-level entity than themselves -- a kami.  As Zero couldn't prove the existence of Tokimi-sama when she saw her, the Choushin couldn't prove such an existence, nor could they create such a person.  So for a very long time, they did things to try to see if this kami existed or not.

Eventually, the three sisters came upon a new plan of attack.  Washu placed her Choushin powers and conscious into three gem-balls, then created an infant human body for herself in the 3rd dimension.  She had no memories of anything prior to being left at the monastery and she then set out to learn everything that could be learned from scratch.  With this approach, she hoped to find the kami.

Tsunami came to the 3rd dimension as well.  Using her own existence, she attempted to create a new type of life -- the Royal Trees on Jurai.  However, with the man who would become the first Emperor of Jurai, Tsunami saw potential that a superior life form would be born from them.  Thus, she swore to protect him and his descendants while she waited for the birth of Sasami (whom she was destined to merge with) and Tenchi, who is the kami they sought.

Tokimi-sama followed the original plan and distorted the harmony they had created in the multi-verse (the multiple dimensions of the universe).  She did this to cause anomalies from which she hoped the kami would emerge.  Z was the result of her actions and Tokimi took him as he was the greatest potential she'd found. 

The Choushin considered (past tense) Tenchi to be another potential (albeit the best one yet, due to his material conversion ability), but Tsunami and Washu decided that they cared more about Tenchi as a person than whether or not he was that superior hyper-dimensional being. That is why Tsunami interfered and Washu said that she wanted to leave it up to Tenchi. After Tenchi killed Z, it became apparent that Tenchi was indeed that being that the Choushin were looking for. That is why Tokimi became ecstatic and Noike began to cry happily.

However, as Tsunami and Washu stated, finding out should be fun and not rushed, therefore they will continue their lives on Earth with Tenchi.  Whether Tokimi joins them or not remains to be seen.

Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@Dream: Once again, there's nothing about omnipotence there. And there's no explanation that implies omnipotence, and the word itself is never used. In fact his powers aren't explained at all beyond that he can convert matter to energy with light hawk wings.

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Veiler: Then I don't know what else to tell you considering you seem seem to very strongly oppose the idea. It's become accepted by many folks online that Kami Tenchi is Tenchi Muyo's resident omnipotent unless Masaki Kajishima steps in to expand his title's plot and reveal a character stronger than Kami Tenchi. All that I can say is that any fictional title with an omnipotent is quite vague in giving feats for said characters other than giving just enough evidence to show that said character is above all other cosmic beings, nigh-omnipotents and multiversals like TOAA (Marvel Comics), the Presence (DC Comics), Lord of Nightmares (Slayers) and Man of Miracles (Image Comics). 
Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@Dream: I'm not interested in what's accepted, I'm interested in proof.

Now, you can pretend that Kami Tenchi is omnipotent all you want. I don't care about that. But if you can't point out an instance where his powers have been explained to be without any conceivable limits, or that he's explicitly been referred to as omnipotent, then there's no reason for me to accept it.

Post by TheBlackDragonz (883 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@Dream: @Veiler: So, is he or not? Can ZeedMillenniummon beat him or not? I just decided, too, now I'm confused >.>

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@TheBlackDragonz: He is, though it doesn't stop some folks from not being convinced.
Post by TheBlackDragonz (883 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@Dream: Ok, thanks. OBD agrees with you. But they've also been wrong before. Like that ONE TIME.

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@TheBlackDragonz: It's a good resource for any anime/ manga/ comics/ etc... that you need more info on and to get a general sense of abilities. But yeah, it isn't always reliable. 
Post by Veiler (51 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@TheBlackDragonz: @Dream: No, there's no proof that he is. Read through Dream's "evidence" and see for yourself, this is all there is. But if fanboys will believe that Madara from Naruto is omnipotent, then I don't see why people wouldn't believe that Kami Tenchi is omnipotent.

Post by TheBlackDragonz (883 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@Veiler: So, then. Let's see. Let's see other fights. People generally agree Tenchi can beat ZeedMillenniummon. What does that make ZeedMillenniummon. then? http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=510943&highlight=zeedmillenniummon

I know for a FACT ZeedMillenniummon is nigh-omnipotent, which means REALLY close to it.

Also, a Naruto character will be omnipotent when Magikarp beats Galactus while riding on flying pigs in a frozen hell.

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