PERSONA!

Topic started by OkazukiIchigo on Feb. 23, 2009. Last post by Lemegeton300 5 years, 7 months ago.
Post by OkazukiIchigo (350 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I was quite pessimistic about the Shin Megami Tensei games. Ever since watching gameplay videos to impressions, I feel withdrawn out of the series due to the Shuffle minigame, the day/night cycle and Social Links(which I assumed is like a Dating Sim). Persona 3 is one of the first suspects that introduced me into the Shin Megami Tensei game. Besides the faults that I hate, I really enjoyed watching those gameplay videos where there is a cast of characters that talk in the game, making it enjoyable as it is for a Role-playing Game. The sense of a dating sim that is implemented in these Persona games are pretty neat too, as you can select your preferred girlfriend. The obstacles that you faced in those games, living a ordinary life as a high-school student but becoming a hero in the other world, sounds appealing.
I know how you feel..Haru... I mean Minato. Due to the lack of images.
I know how you feel..Haru... I mean Minato. Due to the lack of images.

One of the aspects that I also adore in these Shin Megami Tensei games , is the soundtrack. It features great J-PoP/Rock music during your adventures and its quite addicting as well. Provided by Shoji Meguro in Persona 4, I really crave the up-beat rhythm music that the game persists, especially when it sung in English on J-Pop. The openings of Persona 4 is the evidence for that. As it consists of the cast of characters, you will encounter through the game, the town of Inaba which has a "bewildering fog" and the other dimension in which you enter through the TV through Junes.

As the game boots up and entering my name as "Kenji Satou". Ignor whom was persists in the previous installments as well as Margert explains to me about the challenges that I will faced through the course of the storyline. It then flashes to an anime sequence where Kenji is leaving his hometown to the rural countryside of Inaba. The impression that I saw in the opening made me want to go to Japan but as evidence to the last blog that I posted recently, I have second thoughts of it..sadly

Anyways, Kenji arrives to the town of Inaba where he was met by his uncle/cousin, Dojima and his daughter Nanako. Where he is staying at his place for about a year and the trials and tribulations that he will face here. It's quite fun to have a prolonged sequence of dialogue /w voice acting and seeing how awesome the Atlus guys did to localized it. Upon welcoming Kenji to their new home as well as having a dream sequence of the fighting mechanic. Kenji was introduced to Yasogami High School where he met Chie Satonaka, a kung-fun fanatic, Yosuke Hanamura, a clumsy yet hilarious dude and Yukiko Amagi, shy yet popular girl at this school. After brief introductions were made by Kanji from Rappiest, McRappier, a murder investigation which
Everyday's Great at your Ju-Nes!
Everyday's Great at your Ju-Nes!
Yamato(the announcer) was murdered and then Saki Konshi. Kenji, Chie and Yosuke took action finding who is all behind this, ending up in the TV dimensional world with our buddy, Teddie. In the television at Junes where no-one could afford a Flat-screen Television due to this being a PS2 game. Facing obstacles like Yosuke's shadow form to introducing Kenji's PERSONA!, Izumangi as well as Yosuke's PERSONA! Jiraya(no! not that one). After that, as everyone wonders where is Yukiko and destined to save her as evidence by an anime sequence. Wanting to "score a hot stud" and wanting to take the pants off so that he could go inside to do business with her.

Upon entering Yukiko's castle, featuring a new bond with Yosuke and now Chie as "they will take a mortal blow to you" as well as Ignor and Margert explaining how the fuse Personas which I still have the difficulty on doing so. Purchasing a Chain mail for Kenji and now can explore freely through the town of Inaba. He went to the North Shopping District and ate at the Chinese restaurant, increasing his Courage. Within each day, he was introduced by new concepts such as working "a part-time job" and after-school activities as well as increasing his traits through the lectures that he has, with Chie and Yosuke taking advantage of him with the correct answer. When the after school bell rang, he was met by a Quiz/Riddle Dude which gave him some potions for answering the correct answer. He explores this school, having some interaction with students to granting him to be a part of a basketball team and then a drama club. It was awe-inspiring from what Sunohara and Tomoya did before. Knowing that his weakness is that of the Social Links' aspects. Then, Kenji decided that he wants to become a day-care attendant because of how much it was paying.
Kenji showing his "feminine" side.
Kenji showing his "feminine" side.

As of right now, three hours into Persona. Upon beating "Shadow" Chie and now doing the Social Links with joining the basketball and drama club. It feels quite complicated to me to progress more due to that damned Yukiko Castle and getting "pressure" each day. It's that type of pressure that I usually have when I play "Dating Sims" and getting stressed out about the time system and how to manage my character's trait everyday. The one possible thing that I did is upping my Knowledge and Courage to Informer/Reliable and having some level ups for my Social Links. Everyday as I was pressure by both Yusuke and Chie about rescuing Yukiko. I went there and have my ass kicked by those enemies, seeing how I'm still at a low level and haven't gotten much Personas yet. Due to that damned Shuffle minigame in which I really suck it.


Post by MoonStorm (360 posts) See mini bio Level 9

I haven't finished  Persona 3 to start playing 4 yet. I know there not connected, I just a game budget thing I have going on. I can't buy a new game tell I'm done with last game I bought. *note done dose not finished or complete it just means I done playing with (for now) or completed it to a satisfying end. (I broke this rule with Street Fighter 4 but that a fighting game so it dose not count.)
I like the different game aspects it brakes up the action so that in doesn't  feel like a another dungeon crawler RPG

The Shuffle mini game in 3 is not that hard. It did not take me long to figure out that there is only a few snuffle animation so once I realize what 'end order' corresponds with which snuffle animation you really can select any card you want.

Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Each time you say Kenji, it confuses me, as I start thinking about Kanji (another character). ^_^;

I finished P4 already, and from my experience the game is pretty generous with the time it gives you to rescue someone. The other characters in your team will remind you quite frequently, but don't feel pressured by it. I ignored them most of the time. :) You can see the weather 1 week in advance, and if you don't see rainy days ahead (I think it is 2 or more that is bad news, but can't remember) you are OK. Once I got so engrossed on the S.Links that I totally forgot to check the weather and I failed to rescue someone. The game is nice to you and brings you back a week into the past, so you can prepare better (I think they keep your levels as they were 1 week back, but I'm not too sure).

For the Shuffles, what I always did was keep my eyes fixed on that one card I wanted. The most common patterns are circular and like some kind of star (cards move North-South, Easth-West and along the diagonals)... so I kind of now ahead of time the possible paths that one card will take, then I just time it just right and I almost always got the card I wanted. The hardest for me was when there were many cards and they went in a circular motion: since there are so many, they go really fast, so I had trouble following the cards...

As for the enemies kicking your ass... don't be too hasty going up the floors. Make sure you have the Goho-M item, so you can exit the dungeon quickly and resume from the floor you were at (and can save the game at the entrance). If I found the enemies on a certain floor too hard, I kept fighting the ones on the floor below to gain levels. I didn't have to grind that much, I think... (EDIT: All those lower defense / hit rate / remove buffs spells are quite useful on bosses, specially in combination with raise attack / hit rate / raise defense spells or items on your team. Also, guarding at the right time can save you, too (from attacks / status effects / weaknesses)).

Good luck with the game! ^_^
Post by DocHaus (933 posts) See mini bio Level 18
You know that the sister site Giant Bomb is hosting an Endurance Run of Persona 4? I find it quite entertaining, actually.
Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
DocHaus said:
"You know that the sister site Giant Bomb is hosting an Endurance Run of Persona 4? I find it quite entertaining, actually.
"
I love those videos. But made the mistake of watching episode 12 in advance, so I have nothing to watch today. I think Ichigo and Vinny / Jeff are quite close in the game... I'm afraid Vinny will stop playing after he gets his ass kicked by some boss. I hope not. Would be awesome if the videos kept going until the end of the game as I would love to hear their reactions to many sections of the game. :) Teddie already made them laugh with a certain phrase he used.
Post by Kuro (559 posts) See mini bio Level 5
Mmm, Persona 3 was my favourite RPG ever. I'll agree to it not being the *best ever made* but it gave me the most enjoyment. So far, 8 hours in, i'm enjoying p4 better. Hoorah!
Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Kuro said:
"Mmm, Persona 3 was my favourite RPG ever. I'll agree to it not being the *best ever made* but it gave me the most enjoyment. So far, 8 hours in, i'm enjoying p4 better. Hoorah!
"
Going into P4, one of the things I was afraid of was that I wouldn't like the characters in P4 more than those in P3 (because I loved them so much). How very wrong I was. I don't think I can replay P3 anymore, due to the gameplay enhancements and because I actually like pretty much everything about P4 more (maybe with the exception of Aigis). At least I got a lot of enjoyment from P3 (played it twice and was starting a third run, if I remember correctly...).

Making a list of "My Favorite RPGs Ever" got harder to do... I know P4 is not above Torment or Fallout 2 for me... but I can't think of any other that is above... ^_^
Post by OkazukiIchigo (350 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Thanks jlrm! The problem with the Shuffle minigame that I sometimes tend on pressing the "X" button, a little too fast causing me to get the "empty" card.
Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
I see. I'm not sure if there is even a time limit on Shuffles, as I never encountered it on P4, but I just let the cards go through a few revolutions so that I can time it right. As the game went on, there are times when you get many penalty cards. I had to measure the risk of getting the card (no XP) versus getting the one I wanted (a Persona I probably had in my compendium anyway), and sometimes I just pressed Cancel because it wasn't worth it. ^_^

There are some "arcana cards" (I forgot the name of them) you get after battles that have some bad effects (one halves your party's SP and kicks you out of the dungeon, if I'm remembering correctly (the Death one?))... but I almost always got the Upright (positive) effect.
Post by LordAndrew (152 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I initially avoided those Arcana chance cards, but it seems the positives tend to outweigh the negatives. Sometimes you have to do something to activate the Arcana's effect, so in cases of a negative Arcana effect I just avoid doing those things. And if it ends up screwing up one of my Personas I can just dump it and buy it again from the Compendium. :)
Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
LordAndrew said:
"I initially avoided those Arcana chance cards, but it seems the positives tend to outweigh the negatives. Sometimes you have to do something to activate the Arcana's effect, so in cases of a negative Arcana effect I just avoid doing those things. And if it ends up screwing up one of my Personas I can just dump it and buy it again from the Compendium. :)
"
I thought both positive and negative effects are time-based and go away after a while. So a decrease in Persona stats would only last a certain time. Is this not so?

Also, what do you mean when you say that you have to do something on some occasions? I thought it was random. (Maybe I'm forgetting something...) EDIT: Ah, maybe what you are saying is that if, for example, the negative effect was to make enemies stronger you would avoid them if you are not strong enough so you don't "feel" the effect or something along those lines?
Post by LordAndrew (152 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I'm referring to the ones that affect treasure chests, or add penalty cards to the Arcana chance. If I get a card that punishes me for opening chests, I stop opening chests for awhile until the Arcana effect wears off. If I get more penalty cards, I avoid Arcana chances until it wears off.
The positive effects of those types of cards I mentioned are temporary as well. Persona stat changes are permanent though, so I tend to take the risk with those ones, and if it ends up harming my Persona I can just toss it.

Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
LordAndrew said:
"Persona stat changes are permanent though, so I tend to take the risk with those ones, and if it ends up harming my Persona I can just toss it."
I didn't know that. ^_^; It almost never happened to me (and if it did it was to a Persona I didn't care much about...).
Post by LordAndrew (152 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Even if it's a Persona you don't care about, I think those Aracana chance state increases are inherited through fusion. So you can use that Persona as the base for another Persona and get increased stats. You could even use the Persona in fusion multiple times for even bigger stat increases if you have the money.
Post by OkazukiIchigo (350 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I'm now at the final level of the castle, after "running out of time" to save Yukiko. All my characters are about level 11 and it seems that I cannot defeat her. I have a Persona that is a "Strength" type which granted that I have gotten experience from Level 3 of my Social Links. What level requirement do you need to defeat Yukiko , I tried different strategies but I keep on losing. I have tried strategy guides but they don't say much about how to defeat her.

I'm now getting better with the Shuffle Minigame aspect. I haven't seen Arcana cards yet.
Post by Agent_Lost (1,124 posts) See mini bio Level 10
oh yea, I remember that fight, I got burn so hard. I tempted to do a 2 second run, used buff on my team defence and debuff the boss attack.
Post by jlrm01 (198 posts) See mini bio Level 7
OkazukiIchigo said:
"I'm now at the final level of the castle, after "running out of time" to save Yukiko. All my characters are about level 11 and it seems that I cannot defeat her. I have a Persona that is a "Strength" type which granted that I have gotten experience from Level 3 of my Social Links. What level requirement do you need to defeat Yukiko , I tried different strategies but I keep on losing. I have tried strategy guides but they don't say much about how to defeat her.

I'm now getting better with the Shuffle Minigame aspect. I haven't seen Arcana cards yet.
"
There are quite a few strategies here. (I give you that link because you say you checked strategy guides already...) They say level 12 to 15 or so... from what I could see.

I don't remember that battle very well, but I'm quite sure I killed the dude that kept curing Yukiko (the one on the left?) first. After that, it was a piece of cake. By Bufu-ing his ass twice in a row he gets dizzy (and will lose a turn). Since Yukiko is a Fire user, you should try to fuse Personas until you get a Fire-resistant or in the best case a Fire-inmune Persona. Check combinations with the Personas you have and see if it is available. If you see such a Persona but don't have the level required yet, try leveling up a bit until you can get it.

One problem with Yukiko using fire is Chie... in the link above they say that a Slime has a Wall spell that protects against fire. Also, remember that if you set Chie to defend, her weakness can't be taken advantage of (if you know a big fire attack is incoming). Do you have buffs / debuffs? Use them too.

Sorry that I can't be of more help. Don't give up! ^_^
Post by Lemegeton300 (300 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Persona 3 was the only game last year that made me go back to my PS2 and i think P4 will have the same effect on me. its the perfect amalgamation of my love of rpgs and anime.

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