Watch & Learn: SEKIREI #1

Topic started by No_name_here on Oct. 19, 2011. Last post by Vortextk 2 years, 9 months ago.
Post by PenguinDust (1,008 posts) See mini bio Level 13

Well a lot of "magical girlfriend" shows are about "POOF! A gorgeous genie girl..." It's a sub-genre to romantic comedies usually but can also be more action orientated such as Kurokami. I'm not sure what the very first one was, but one of the earliest was Urusei Yatsura by female manga author Rumiko Takahashi. In that one, hot alien girl, Lum lost an intergalactic competition to perpetually rejected Earthling, Ataru and fell for him thereafter. It's not logical but why bother with that? It's a ridiculous slapstick comedy that frequently drifts into folklore territory. Is it a male fantasy? Absolutely, just as I Dream of Jeanie, Splash, or anything with Summer Glau. Sekirei is like all of them but with some tournament and harem aspects added to the mix. I really enjoyed the series and season 2 is even better (and since it's a stickler for you, less fanservice). I believe it's actually one of the better from this subset of genres and I've seen my fair share.

Post by sotyfan16 (1,341 posts) See mini bio Level 20

@PenguinDust:

Thank you for your added support. Still, I don't think Tom will watch this because fanservice, among other things for other series, freak him out so much that he has disdain for series based on such trivial matters. He seems to be someone who will take many things into regard in order to understand more about anime/manga but yet he refuses to accept major aspects for the sake of watching only what is "entirely good and wholesome".

Watching anime is about testing boundaries and giving shows outside your comfort zone a chance. Recently, I think Tom seems to disagree.

Post by DocHaus (927 posts) See mini bio Level 18
It's a show about a Nice Guy Ordinary High School Student who literally does nothing other than Nice Guy things, and that somehow leads to at least 6 superpowered girls wanting to jump on his dick. Also, fight scenes. This series has a few things, "testing boundaries" is not one of them.
Post by sickVisionz (4,238 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@sotyfan16 said:

You fuckers couldn't have been more wrong. If you just get past the showing of the other shows then you will see big-breasted girls working on modesty, sharing, kindness, etc. You will also see girls who wonder the effect of 'the game' on humans and see some people making good of the world. Otherwise, this world doesn't stand a chance in the polar ice caps compared to the weak outside cross around those in need of warmth and shelter.

I'm sure this was supposed show that the show has heart, but this makes it sound even more generic to me. Non-human big tittie girl with super powers enters a high school kid's life and harem/service antics ensue. Along the way she learns more about humanity and is a better "person" for the experience. Also, there is some looney end of the world plot thrown in for good measure. There are dozens of shows with that exact setup and dozens more with mild variations on it.

I'm not saying that it can't be good because there are three shows I enjoyed [Sora no Otoshimono, Kurokami (the girl isn't massive tittied but that's a superficial difference), and Asobi ni Ikuyo] that are literally that exact story but I wouldn't fault Tom for not wanting to watch shows that are that generic in setup and immediately turn him off.

Post by MrASSH0LE (2,321 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Wait your passing Eureka seven but you decide to watch Sekirei.

That is like turning down a Ferrarri for a Hyundai

Post by PenguinDust (1,008 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@sotyfan16: Yeah, but I don't fault him for having his personal comfort zone and as an employee of Whiskey Media I suspect being too supportive of anything too sexually controversial might raise a few eyebrows. I am not saying he would change his viewpoint, just that it matches most of the other writers on staff. If you work at National Review, you're probably a conservative already, and if you write for Mother Jones, then you probably have more liberal beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think we should expect great change because of this.

This bigger problem comes from the basis of the Watch & Learn format and that is snap judgments are made from just one episode. Like watching 10 minutes from a movie or reading one chapter from a book, you can't get much more than perfunctory look at a series. Hell, if you applied that to Soul Eater, you'd never know that there were five other central characters since episodes two and three reveal their stories. But, to be fair, people make choices based off a 3 minute movie trailer or the blurb on the back of a novel all the time. How many episodes do you need as proof before you can form a reasonable opinion of a show? I guess that's a person-to-person thing. I know that I didn't think too much of shows like Legend of the Legendary Heroes and Star Driver until episode 8 at which point they hooked me. I don't expect everyone to have similar resolve, though. I'm not sure what the answer is then other than to encourage people to take a look for them selves and then invite dissent.

At least with anime, I specifically seek out titles that are outside my normal boundaries. I already know what I like, but I'm not comfortable leaving it at that. There are a lot of titles out there that other people enjoy, franchises they speak highly of, and I'm curious to understand why. Sometimes sticking with a show pays off even when its aspects are normally displeasing to me. For example, right now I am watching the original Galaxy Express 999 series from 1978 and oh my god, this show is depressing. Every stop along the way is one story of suffering, oppression, starvation, discrimination, suicide and murder after another. The future is a wretched universe full of anguish and little else. There is a bit of mystery in there that keeps me coming back despite its joyless course and I have an admitted bias towards old shows. Most of all, though I want educate myself beyond the familiar. I see it as important right now because I don't feel I am knowledgeable enough yet to be able to distill my choices down and not miss out.

Post by Catolf (254 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Apathylad said:

@DocHaus said:

@Tom_Pinchuk: Sekirei are essentially "Pokemon with tits." That's all you really need to know about this series. It only appeals to people like this guy:

@Catolf said:

I rather liked the few episodes I saw of Sekirei, another Ecchi I liked was Ladies vs Butlers as well... and my disturbing relationship with Seikon no Qwaser. hurhurhur~

Catolf is a girl.

Apathy just blew your damn mind didn't he. You don't have to be male to like these shows.

Post by AURON570 (552 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@MrASSH0LE: He's sampling a bunch of series to see which ones he will continue writing watch&learn articles for.

Post by zaldar (1,237 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@sotyfan16: heh wow....sorry a show that is just about fan service in the first episode probably stays that way. Not sure what you mean about the game but life is about competition and capitalism is basically a game so...

sorry you seem to hate the world so much but watching shows with fan service, espeically fan service of children is not the way to improve things. I have balls, enough balls to say I don't like this and think it is crap and my time and the time of people who make it would be better spent making a better show.

You want to debate the state of the world, of working for yourself vs for others? Fine...make C, make Haibane Renmei, hell make Eva which touched on these issues. But don't make this crap, and don't spend your time watching it.

Angst and despair at the way the world is going is fine...but there are positive uses for it and negative uses.

Post by zaldar (1,237 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@sotyfan16 said:

@PenguinDust:

Thank you for your added support. Still, I don't think Tom will watch this because fanservice, among other things for other series, freak him out so much that he has disdain for series based on such trivial matters. He seems to be someone who will take many things into regard in order to understand more about anime/manga but yet he refuses to accept major aspects for the sake of watching only what is "entirely good and wholesome".

Watching anime is about testing boundaries and giving shows outside your comfort zone a chance. Recently, I think Tom seems to disagree.

Anime is about watching things that are good and things that you can not find in Western movies, things with head, philosophy as well as entertainment. This is watch and learn after all not watch and screw.

Much like shonen fighting shows I have very little tolerance for harem shows. Really haven't seen one that I would rank with ghost in the shell, Eva, C....

Post by sotyfan16 (1,341 posts) See mini bio Level 20

First off, my bad people. I was not in a good state of mind when I put my first post on this article. Now that my excuse is out of the way I want to say that I understand the point of this column and there are a lot of shows Tom does not want to watch. There have been multiple shows in this column that I have not taken part in because I was not interested. But when a show that I do like comes up and gets nothing but bashed, I state my mind. I know I'm in the minority as a fan of Sekirei but I'll be damned if people are prejudging on face value.

Harem series are widely known for having a generic plot but there are some that come along that actually have something to offer (ex. this show and Heaven's Lost Property). The point of the story is stopping the 'Sekirei Plan' that leads to people getting hurt and separated from the ones they love. But to do otherwise, and go along with the plan, means the winner and his/her Sekirei will ascend into the heavens and be together forever.

It's long past getting people into this show but I just want users to be informed.

@sickVisionz:

Minato has failed to get into university 3 times. However, that is not because he is stupid. He is actually quite smart. He doesn't get into school because his mother sabotages his tests as she wants him to participate in the Sekirei Plan. I didn't feel this was a generic show at all. Oh, and I have a Dunce Cap episode on this series.

@zaldar:

'The game' is reference to the Sekirei Plan that is put into motion in the show and our protagonist and his crew work to stop the CEO of the game.

I enjoy a wide variety of series. My collection ranges from the serious to the plain stupid. But no matter which I am watching, I am enjoying. The heart and determination that goes into creating the manga and anime of all the titles we see is great and I'm always waiting for more. I barely watch Western entertainment now as I get everything I want from anime.

These type of shows cannot be evenly judged with Eva and the like. They are very different. You're not going to change your mind and I'm not going to get into trying. We disagree and that is how the cookie crumbles.

Post by Vortextk (13 posts) See mini bio Level 4

A lot of people debating about tits and harems. Unfortunately they're crutches, used when in doubt about the actual quality, more often than not. I'm kind of getting to the age where it's hard to care about anything sexual or nudity without a true real plot device behind it, otherwise I'd rather just watch porn as atleast it won't just be teasing me.

I've been warming up to the idea of actually watching anime again, it's been 2 years since I've seen anything new, and before I would dive headlong into a show like this because I kind of just wanted to "experience" anything I could, good or bad, same or different. Now I don't know if I could handle more ecchi comedy nonsense. Maybe I can, but honestly in my mind it just gets pushed behind a lot of things with actual merit and art in them.

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