Saint Seiya: Facts vs Hypes

Topic started by TheVectorPrime on June 11, 2012. Last post by peruano99A 2 years, 1 month ago.
Post by peruano99A (492 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog said:

he already knows this...he's just venting hot air in a place he thinks is safe

Well he did say those galaxies in Hades dimension were only illusions.

Post by The_Immortal_Watch_Dog (211 posts) See mini bio Level 9

and if he can prove that it'd be the only honest thing he's said

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog said:

we have this problem, Comic Vine is garbage full of moronic and inept debaters so I don't really care what their terms mean. We also have another problem- you have flown off the handle talking about destroying my claims regarding saint saiya when I have made none regarding their capabilities. I have called you a liar and accused you of being a coward who uses doctored evidence..

Now either you are a troll we ran off the OBD and are thus blinded by your butthurt or you're a very blind fanboy but the rest of your post was a complete and utter waste of server space because you're attempted to debunk claims I have never made while bragging about how you're going to infuriate me when you, yourself are so comically inept that you failed to even address my point in a coherent manner.. and can't even read apparently seeing as you flew off an irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with any of my accusations.

You who can't even read properly think you'll be making war on the OBD? I'm one of its mid tier debaters (and barely that) and it only took a single one of my posts to make you completely lose your composure and flip out

pathetic

Same can be said for OBD wiki. You're right YOU HAVEN'T MADE ANY CLAIM AND YET YOU DARED TO ENTER THIS THREAD AND START ACUSSING ME IN FIT OF RAGE. That proves one thing, you're desperate. You haven't made any point so I adressed you in the same manner. Or maybe you're IQ is too low to comprehand that simple fact ? By the way my post for sure isn't wasting server space, but your post IS POLLUTING THE INTERNET with stupidity. Also when I said to "expose you're lies" I was refering to fandome of Saint Seiya on OBD (to which you belong for sure and not to you directly), to make it clear since you're IQ below 30 doesn't alow you to comprehand that. Oh i'm very glad that you're ranked by TIERS IN OBD. Just tell me ranking goes by stupidity, ignorance or something else ? In which tier you belong

VS (very stupid) or S+ (stupid + ) :-) ? Anyway to go straight to the point. You can play with words as much as you want, in matter of fact I like "word playing" and as you see I can always best you in that game. I challenged you to try AND DISAPROVE MY POINTS. IT'S VERY SIMPLY INSTEAD OF POSTING BULL/SPAMING THIS THREAD YOU COULD SIMPLY POST THOSE SO CALLED "SCAN WITH RIGHT TRASNLATION" AND SHOW EVERYBODY I'M WRONG. The only problem is that those are the right translations. Since there is no "conspiracy" againts Saint Seiya over net. Nobody was making SS less powerful. ONly OBD made it far more powerful than it actually is. Also THOSE ARE THE SAME SCAN YOU USED IN RESPECT AND INFO THREADS ABOUT SAINT SEIYA ON NARUTO FORUMS (LINKS ARE ON OBD PAGE). I didn't lose my composure. I'm just very happy because now I have oportunity to mop the floor with someone from OBD. In case you don't want floor to be moped with you just post the scans which disaprove my scans.

You know what's pathetic. Acusing me being a liar because I posted the scan you don't like and don't want to accept. That's really, really pathetic. And really you should know your place. With all those 181 silly things you posted, you can't pretend to be a valid debater !!! I bet you haven't even red the original manga, let alone Episode G, Next Dimension or Lost Canvas. You're just posting rumors you heard.

@Yusuke52 said:

@TheVectorPrime said:

Here is what you have to do in order to join http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Joining+the+OBD+Wiki

I sent PM Endless Mike and done everything acording to the link. Two weeks later I'm notified that I have been rejected. Anyway seeing the style of the OBD gives you and idea with what bunch of idiots you will have to deal (excluding some individuals from this)

You didn't expose anything, most of what you have there is wrong, even in the literal sense of what is happening. That is mainly because most of the scans there are badly translated.

And its not the OBD wiki you want to sign up to... its the Naruto Fourms. Just go over to the Naruto Fourms and make an account, not the OBD wiki.

Edit: Good job regardless for the idea of a thread such as this.

Man I don't want to be rude and sorry if you're offended by my post in any means. But so far (refering to other threads) you proved that you actually haven't read any of mangas and that you're just posting OBD info. Scans are right those are the sam scans used in OBD. As i said above If you have better scans you can post them and disaprove me. Also I want to join to OBD wiki community. Not to the Naruto Forums. And even as a member of naruto forums I can't have acces to Meta-Battledome if I don't have acount on OBD. By the way acount on OBD wiki would alow me to edit profiles of characters. Posting facts in debate is useless when someone won't edit profile of character. That's means that I need to have mine acount and edit profiles by myself.

@peruano99A: see above.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Haofan123 said:

No problem, and yeah that does sound pretty hax. See, the thing i have always found about battle forums(especially any sites that rely heavily on the outskirts battledome wiki) is that they constantly downplay feats that have logical reasons but overhype things that clearly have no basis and whenever someone tries to argie against them they are automatically branded as trolls or wankers. So whether you are right or wrong, kudos to you for going out on your own and backing up your arguements with solid proof

This has already started :-). Even 24h haven't passed.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@TheVectorPrime: Why would I take offence at your post, its your opinion and you are entitled to it. That does not make it true or correct, which is why I will not take offence at it. And im not talking about the scans, I am talking about how you are interpreting what is happening in them. (Still, they are badly translated regardless)

Also what makes you the authority on SS more so than anyone else here or the OBD? Its been around for years and yet nobody has spoken up about this before (To my knowledge, I was never really a part of the naruto fourms so I would not know, I think I made an account one day... Not sure). So what makes you better than them in this regard? You say "Because I have actually read the manga", So you assume that nobody else here or in the OBD has read the manga too (Or at least to the level you deem appropriate), Is that why you think you are right and they are wrong?

By the way acount on OBD wiki would alow me to edit profiles of characters.

Yeah and no offence, but that is the worst case scenairo. For you to go on there and start changing profiles because of what you think is right. You even said you would cause its "Death" again, now why would you do something like that.

Let me give you an example of where you are wrong. Its not the power or energy of the sun they are trying to replicate. Its the LIGHT of the sun (Gold Cloths have absorbed solar light which is why they had to release it to break the wailing wall). Now alone, none of them had enough energy stored which is why they needed to gather and destroy themselves and their cloths to release the suns light and break the wall. Think of it like this, the One Ring of Sauron can only be destroyed in the fires of Mount Doom, no mortal weapon can harm it and no other volcano will do it HAS to be Mount Doom. This is the same, its not the suns energy that they need it is the light of the sun, if they wanted that kind of energy then Galaxian Explosion or Athenas Exclamation would do the trick.

Another point is that Saint Seiya is infamous for its lack of destructive capacity, but the problem there is the majority of their attacks are situated around a single target so as to not damage the environment. It still does not make their attacks any less potent however, the Galaxian Explosion will still hit the person with the energy of an exploding galaxy and so on.

But I dont really care anyway since I'm not really into Saint Seiya (Never truly got into it), so you can post what you want just dont expect other people who enjoy the series to believe it. I know what I have read and what I have seen. I know that they have some very powerful attacks and that they have very powerful defences to boot. I can say with confidence that they are well beyond DB levels and all of that is from my understanding of what I have seen, not the OBD or anything else.

Also I have not branded you anything, I am just saying some of what you have there is incorrect and that you should really look into it and change what needs to be changed. As I said before, good job on a thread for these sorts of things but make sure that everything you are saying is correct.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Yusuke52 said:

@TheVectorPrime: Why would I take offence at your post, its your opinion and you are entitled to it. That does not make it true or correct, which is why I will not take offence at it. And im not talking about the scans, I am talking about how you are interpreting what is happening in them. (Still, they are badly translated regardless)

Also what makes you the authority on SS more so than anyone else here or the OBD? Its been around for years and yet nobody has spoken up about this before (To my knowledge, I was never really a part of the naruto fourms so I would not know, I think I made an account one day... Not sure). So what makes you better than them in this regard? You say "Because I have actually read the manga", So you assume that nobody else here or in the OBD has read the manga too (Or at least to the level you deem appropriate), Is that why you think you are right and they are wrong?

By the way acount on OBD wiki would alow me to edit profiles of characters.

Yeah and no offence, but that is the worst case scenairo. For you to go on there and start changing profiles because of what you think is right. You even said you would cause its "Death" again, now why would you do something like that.

Let me give you an example of where you are wrong. Its not the power or energy of the sun they are trying to replicate. Its the LIGHT of the sun (Gold Cloths have absorbed solar light which is why they had to release it to break the wailing wall). Now alone, none of them had enough energy stored which is why they needed to gather and destroy themselves and their cloths to release the suns light and break the wall. Think of it like this, the One Ring of Sauron can only be destroyed in the fires of Mount Doom, no mortal weapon can harm it and no other volcano will do it HAS to be Mount Doom. This is the same, its not the suns energy that they need it is the light of the sun, if they wanted that kind of energy then Galaxian Explosion or Athenas Exclamation would do the trick.

Another point is that Saint Seiya is infamous for its lack of destructive capacity, but the problem there is the majority of their attacks are situated around a single target so as to not damage the environment. It still does not make their attacks any less potent however, the Galaxian Explosion will still hit the person with the energy of an exploding galaxy and so on.

But I dont really care anyway since I'm not really into Saint Seiya (Never truly got into it), so you can post what you want just dont expect other people who enjoy the series to believe it. I know what I have read and what I have seen. I know that they have some very powerful attacks and that they have very powerful defences to boot. I can say with confidence that they are well beyond DB levels and all of that is from my understanding of what I have seen, not the OBD or anything else.

Also I have not branded you anything, I am just saying some of what you have there is incorrect and that you should really look into it and change what needs to be changed. As I said before, good job on a thread for these sorts of things but make sure that everything you are saying is correct.

This post only proves that you're biased and denying the obvious facts. My interpretations is perfect. You're chasing you're own tail with this. My authority of Saints Seiya is >>>>> OBD because I'm delaing with actual facts. They made SS above universal and yet not even a single planet was destroyed so far in entire Saint Seiya fiction. What makes me better and baove those who red it is that ACTUALLY DON'T TWIST THE FACTS. AND SUCH THING GIVES ME CREDIBILITY ABOVE THOSE WHO TWIST THE FACTS. It's not so hard to understand, but you're playing "devil's advocate" and trying to evade this fact. Which by the way can't be disputed. I don't care if you or any other doesn't like me ruining their fantazies and rumors they heard (and liked).

Don't try to compare "breaking of the Wailing Wall'' with "destruction of the Ring''. First had natural forces(Sun's energy) other had magical forces. And should I use science to aid my point ? To explain to you what Sun rays/light is. I will just say that Sun's light = sun's energy, without in dept explanation(but if you want i will be more gladly to explain it ). But you're right for one thing. Actual power of the Sun is >>>>>>>> power of the sun's ray (which has much, much less ot it's power).

I would like you to find me the scan which proves bolded part. If you don't i will dismiss that as baseless speculation (which actually is). And since i red every manga so far, I have never foound such statement. Galaxian explosion =/= exploding galaxy. Why didn't boulder totaly shattered whenit was hit by galaxian explosion ? Or you maybe suggest that rock from Earth has galaxy level durability !? Gimme a break. You have a single evidance to prove that they are above DB (although I my self said they might be slightly) not to mention way above. And they totaly lack destructive feats in order to back up such claim. I don't care if fanboys don't like the truth. they post lies I post facts.

By the way you keep mentioning incorrect, false translation and yet you haven't even posted a single scan which has a different translation (not saying that it will automaticly mean my scans are wrong). Not to mention that you still debate against me, but HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS. And who you think people will belive ? Me who have actually scans or you who just make speculations ?

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Furthere Ipetos statements about divine power (Titans, Olimpian Gods and primordial dieties). He is comparing their power to natural disasters.

If they were all galaxy busters and universal + wouldn't he say instead. "Power which can destroy the universe, colapse entire galaxies" ? Wouldn't fights take place in space instead of Earth ? Well for sure he would.

Post by peruano99A (492 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@TheVectorPrime said:

@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog said:

we have this problem, Comic Vine is garbage full of moronic and inept debaters so I don't really care what their terms mean. We also have another problem- you have flown off the handle talking about destroying my claims regarding saint saiya when I have made none regarding their capabilities. I have called you a liar and accused you of being a coward who uses doctored evidence..

Now either you are a troll we ran off the OBD and are thus blinded by your butthurt or you're a very blind fanboy but the rest of your post was a complete and utter waste of server space because you're attempted to debunk claims I have never made while bragging about how you're going to infuriate me when you, yourself are so comically inept that you failed to even address my point in a coherent manner.. and can't even read apparently seeing as you flew off an irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with any of my accusations.

You who can't even read properly think you'll be making war on the OBD? I'm one of its mid tier debaters (and barely that) and it only took a single one of my posts to make you completely lose your composure and flip out

pathetic

Same can be said for OBD wiki. You're right YOU HAVEN'T MADE ANY CLAIM AND YET YOU DARED TO ENTER THIS THREAD AND START ACUSSING ME IN FIT OF RAGE. That proves one thing, you're desperate. You haven't made any point so I adressed you in the same manner. Or maybe you're IQ is too low to comprehand that simple fact ? By the way my post for sure isn't wasting server space, but your post IS POLLUTING THE INTERNET with stupidity. Also when I said to "expose you're lies" I was refering to fandome of Saint Seiya on OBD (to which you belong for sure and not to you directly), to make it clear since you're IQ below 30 doesn't alow you to comprehand that. Oh i'm very glad that you're ranked by TIERS IN OBD. Just tell me ranking goes by stupidity, ignorance or something else ? In which tier you belong

VS (very stupid) or S+ (stupid + ) :-) ? Anyway to go straight to the point. You can play with words as much as you want, in matter of fact I like "word playing" and as you see I can always best you in that game. I challenged you to try AND DISAPROVE MY POINTS. IT'S VERY SIMPLY INSTEAD OF POSTING BULL/SPAMING THIS THREAD YOU COULD SIMPLY POST THOSE SO CALLED "SCAN WITH RIGHT TRASNLATION" AND SHOW EVERYBODY I'M WRONG. The only problem is that those are the right translations. Since there is no "conspiracy" againts Saint Seiya over net. Nobody was making SS less powerful. ONly OBD made it far more powerful than it actually is. Also THOSE ARE THE SAME SCAN YOU USED IN RESPECT AND INFO THREADS ABOUT SAINT SEIYA ON NARUTO FORUMS (LINKS ARE ON OBD PAGE). I didn't lose my composure. I'm just very happy because now I have oportunity to mop the floor with someone from OBD. In case you don't want floor to be moped with you just post the scans which disaprove my scans.

You know what's pathetic. Acusing me being a liar because I posted the scan you don't like and don't want to accept. That's really, really pathetic. And really you should know your place. With all those 181 silly things you posted, you can't pretend to be a valid debater !!! I bet you haven't even red the original manga, let alone Episode G, Next Dimension or Lost Canvas. You're just posting rumors you heard.

@Yusuke52 said:

@TheVectorPrime said:

Here is what you have to do in order to join http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Joining+the+OBD+Wiki

I sent PM Endless Mike and done everything acording to the link. Two weeks later I'm notified that I have been rejected. Anyway seeing the style of the OBD gives you and idea with what bunch of idiots you will have to deal (excluding some individuals from this)

You didn't expose anything, most of what you have there is wrong, even in the literal sense of what is happening. That is mainly because most of the scans there are badly translated.

And its not the OBD wiki you want to sign up to... its the Naruto Fourms. Just go over to the Naruto Fourms and make an account, not the OBD wiki.

Edit: Good job regardless for the idea of a thread such as this.

Man I don't want to be rude and sorry if you're offended by my post in any means. But so far (refering to other threads) you proved that you actually haven't read any of mangas and that you're just posting OBD info. Scans are right those are the sam scans used in OBD. As i said above If you have better scans you can post them and disaprove me. Also I want to join to OBD wiki community. Not to the Naruto Forums. And even as a member of naruto forums I can't have acces to Meta-Battledome if I don't have acount on OBD. By the way acount on OBD wiki would alow me to edit profiles of characters. Posting facts in debate is useless when someone won't edit profile of character. That's means that I need to have mine acount and edit profiles by myself.

@peruano99A: see above.

LOL you are lying dude because I am not a member of the OBD wiki yet I can access the meta dome very easily. Also if you want to join the OBD wiki you have to proof you are a good member on the OBD section first. They just don't hand out memberships for free.

Post by peruano99A (492 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Now that you know that you don't have to be a member of the OBD wiki to post in the Meta because I am not a OBD wiki member and I can post there...why not post this thread in there to let them see?

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@TheVectorPrime:

My interpretations is perfect.

Bit full of yourself there.

This post only proves that you're biased and denying the obvious facts.

The obvious truth is that Saint Seiya has some very powerful attacks that you are conviently leaving out to downplay the entiritery of the fictional verse.

What makes me better and baove those who red it is that ACTUALLY DON'T TWIST THE FACTS. AND SUCH THING GIVES ME CREDIBILITY ABOVE THOSE WHO TWIST THE FACTS.

You see here is your problem, you think you are better than everyone else here and on the OBD because you believe you are right. I am not saying the OBD is correct but what gives you the right to say that you are above everyone else when it comes to Saint Seiya. Did you have any part in the creation and concept of the manga? If not then you are in the same boat as everyone else in the world, its open for interpretation. My views are different from yours and the OBD's but that does not make them right and neither does it make yours correct.

If people want to believe what you believe then thats fine, just dont start claiming you are correct and everyone else is wrong.

I don't care if you or any other doesn't like me ruining their fantazies and rumors they heard (and liked).

I dont like Saint Seiya that much so they could be multiverse busters or mud hut busters for all i care.

Don't try to compare "breaking of the Wailing Wall'' with "destruction of the Ring''.

I was never compairing them, I was saying they both share a similarity, The light they used to break the wailing wall could have some symbolic meaning or it could just be sacred in some way from other forms of light. What they did was destroy themselves to release that light and destroy the wall, not replicate the sun.

Sun's light = sun's energy

Thats only part of it, nuclear fusion is its main source of energy, else it would die out, and us with it.

(but if you want i will be more gladly to explain it ).

Yeah no thanks I am having enough trouble translating your Engrish into English. I would hate to see what you trying to discuss physics would be like.

By the way you keep mentioning incorrect, false translation and yet you haven't even posted a single scan which has a different translation (not saying that it will automaticly mean my scans are wrong). Not to mention that you still debate against me, but HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS. And who you think people will belive ? Me who have actually scans or you who just make speculations ?

I also said for you to read it and see that they way the talk is rather stupid. But given your bad spelling and English I dont think you would notice a difference even if I pointed it out. Like I said already, believe what you want to believe, and everyone else can make up their minds too. Just remember that you are no authority of Saint Seiya or any other piece of fiction, same as everyone else. Its all open for interpretation and as they say "the majority rules". But if you care so much about it you can post in the naruto fourm general discussion or OBD area (Dont even bother with the meta-dome, because you have no reason to be there), those are the people you have some kind of hatred against so go and take it up with them since you are apparently the only TRUE source of facts for Saint Seiya and the rest of us are just pretenders. But I think you are in some ways afraid to go over there and post this (For any number of reasons) but you are welcome to prove me wrong, because I would love to see it.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@peruano99A: Actually you know what why dont I go over there and make an account in his place, copy and paste his "Proof" over there and then link them to his profile here. Hell you know what you can even follow me over Vector we can make a big party out of it.

Post by peruano99A (492 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Yusuke52 said:

@peruano99A: Actually you know what why dont I go over there and make an account in his place, copy and paste his "Proof" over there and then link them to his profile here. Hell you know what you can even follow me over Vector we can make a big party out of it.

If you want to.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Yusuke52: The same crap again. Also just for the record i study microelectronics, so I have pleanty of physics (also relativistic which introduction to quantum) and grammar mistakes in my posts are because i'm posting in several threads simultaneously. @Yusuke52 said:

@peruano99A: Actually you know what why dont I go over there and make an account in his place, copy and paste his "Proof" over there and then link them to his profile here. Hell you know what you can even follow me over Vector we can make a big party out of it.

So you two admit you lost the debate since you're forcing me to go to NF and debate there (you're out of argument and think those guys will do any better). Good. For peruano99A it was obvious long ago.

I don't alow you to make acount with my name. Such action will have consequences(you will get reported and will lose your acount here) and backfire from me (i know several things more than just posting on forums). Anyway I totaly alow you to copy/paste my post on NF - and I'm actually looking forward to it.

Post by sceonn (757 posts) See mini bio Level 9

This thread has already been recognized in "Facts and Feat thread" so debates are kinda meaningless here.

Post by peruano99A (492 posts) See mini bio Level 9

You know Vector prime you can just create a naruto forums account and post in the OBD without any problems right? I am not a wiki member and I can do it perfectly fine and even in the Meta. I honestly don't see why you are wasting your time in this site with your thread when no one is really a fan of Saint Seiya here and no one cares for SS here as well.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@sceonn said:

This thread has already been recognized in "Facts and Feat thread" so debates are kinda meaningless here.

Well other seem to have problem with that.@peruano99A said:

You know Vector prime you can just create a naruto forums account and post in the OBD without any problems right? I am not a wiki member and I can do it perfectly fine and even in the Meta. I honestly don't see why you are wasting your time in this site with your thread when no one is really a fan of Saint Seiya here and no one cares for SS here as well.

You're wasting my time with those meaningless posts. When will you lear to quote or reply diretcly to me ? Or maybe you're just afraid to do so, because you lack arguments ? Nobody called you to comment in my threads. It would be better if you stay out of it. Also if you don't like SS at all, than why the hell you have to post in every thread regarding it ???

Post by peruano99A (492 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@TheVectorPrime said:

@sceonn said:

This thread has already been recognized in "Facts and Feat thread" so debates are kinda meaningless here.

Well other seem to have problem with that.@peruano99A said:

You know Vector prime you can just create a naruto forums account and post in the OBD without any problems right? I am not a wiki member and I can do it perfectly fine and even in the Meta. I honestly don't see why you are wasting your time in this site with your thread when no one is really a fan of Saint Seiya here and no one cares for SS here as well.

You're wasting my time with those meaningless posts. When will you lear to quote or reply diretcly to me ? Or maybe you're just afraid to do so, because you lack arguments ? Nobody called you to comment in my threads. It would be better if you stay out of it. Also if you don't like SS at all, than why the hell you have to post in every thread regarding it ???

Iam telling you that if you want to debate with Saint Seiya debaters do it in naruto forums because that site has like 40 SS debaters. Why waste your time in this site when Saint Seiya is RARELY used here?

Also I created a thread about your comments in this forum which has SS debaters as well:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/saint-seiya-hyperbole-or-not-152026/

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