According to power scaling how fast do you think Raditz is?

Topic started by Mortein on Feb. 23, 2011. Last post by Mortein 3 years, 5 months ago.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Answer me these 7 questions: 
 

 Question number 1:

How fast do you think Roshi is?

 

Question number 2:

According to this feat how much faster then Roshi this Goku is?

 

Question number 3:

How much faster Goku became after drinking mystic water?

 

Question number 4:

 How much faster then Goku do you think Popo was?

 

Question number 5:  

How much faster then Popo do you think Kami was 

 Question number 6:   

How much faster then kami Goku and Piccolo are?

  

  Question number 7:

How much faster then Piccolo and Goku Raditz is?

 

Use Mach scale to express their speed.
 
 for exsample:
Roshi mach 5-100
goku 20x faster then roshi
Goku after water 10x faster
Popo 10x faster then Goku 
Kami 2x faster then Popo
Goku 20x faster then Kami
Raditz 2x faster then Goku
 
 

 Krillin and Roshi had a whole fight scene in 1 second.
keep in mind few thing: 1. Krillin who is much slower was still able to fallow his movements, indicating that Roshi still wasn't serious. Once he got serious he KOed Krillin easily.  and 2. Krillins fall took at least 0.5 seconds, which means fight excluding fall was shorter then 0.5 seconds. 
 Roshi creating many after images.
After being shot at, Roshi was able to turn around and catch 9 bullets.
Roshi moved his hand so fast it created a wind so strong it blowed away a 70-80kg heavy superhuman and smashed him into a wall.
To do this you have to be able to move your hand much faster then sound.   
 

 

 





 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 Question number 1:

How fast do you think Roshi is?

 
 
 
And Goku, even before drinking mystic water, was able to move so fast he became invisible even for master Roshi whose speed feats you can see above. Goku was so fast that not even master Roshi, who can easily see bullets was able to see him. Speed of bullet is around 1200-1500 m/s ("Ballistics. The World Book Encyclopedia. New York: World Book, 1998.") , and bullet is approximately 1000+ times smaller then Goku, which makes it 1000+ times harder to see.  
 
 




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Question number 2:

According to this feat how much faster then Roshi this Goku is?


 
 Now ask your self how much faster then you would be someone you aren't even able to see.
 
 Tien who was as fast as Goku (before water) was unable to touch fat demon, and Goku ( after water ) easily speed blitzed him.


 

Question number 3:

How much faster Goku became after drinking mystic water?

 


  But even after drinking water and beating king Piccolo, Goku was still so slow that he couldn't even see mr. Popo. Mr Popo stated how he can move faster then lightning, and he was training goku so he could do the same.
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

Question number 4: 

 How much faster then Goku do you think Popo was?

 
 
  

Question number 5:  

How much faster then Popo do you think Kami was



 Teen Goku was fighting so fast Kami couldn't even see him
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 Question number 6:   

How much faster then kami Goku and Piccolo are?

 
   
 
 
and

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Raditz dodged a beam which was called light of dead, and he started to move after the beam was only few meters away from him.
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
We have seen Piccolo destroying a moon in matter of seconds, now we see here Raditz dodging an attack from piccolo which is called  LIGHT of death. I would say it is high possibility that that attack was at light speed, and raditz dodged it, after it was only few meters away from him.
If that attack really is light speed that would mean Raditz can move near the light speed. 
The beam was 2-3m away from him before he started to move, and he moved 20-30 cm, which puts him at minimum 0.1xlight speed.


From this scan you can clearly see how Raditz is almost as fast as Gokus beam.
Take a look at right panel of a first scan, Goku has fired his beam and the beam is around 5-6 m away from the ground. on the next panel you can see the beam is around 0.5 m from the ground and Raditz has moved 4-5 m from the place where he used to be. this proves they are nearly as fast  as their beams. on the second scan you can see Raditz is running from a beam, but he can't maintain the speed for to long so he stops and tanks the beam.
 

     

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  

  Question number 7:

How much faster then Piccolo and Goku Raditz is?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

Helpful informations: 

m-meter
s-second
Speed of sound: 340 m/s or Mach 1
 
speed of light 300 000 000 m/s (approximately)
or Mach 882 000
 
speed of lightning  
  I am not certain about this one.
http://www.animevice.com/forums/off-topic/32/how-fast-is-lightning/322770/#5  
From 61 100 m/s up to 150 000 000 m/s
or from mach 180 up to mach 441 000

 
 
Regime Mach mph km/h m/s General plane characteristics
Subsonic <0.8 <768 <1,230 <340 Most often propeller-driven and commercial turbofan aircraft with high aspect-ratio (slender) wings, and rounded features like the nose and leading edges.
Transonic 0.8-1.2 610-768 980-1,475 270-410 Transonic aircraft nearly always have swept wings, delaying drag-divergence, and often feature design adhering to the principles of the Whitcomb Area-Rule. Note that designing aircraft for use at M=1.1 for example, is very odd because of the very poor efficiency of flying at these speeds for basically any design, compared to flying at low-supersonic speeds, say M=1.6.
Supersonic 1.2-5.0 768-3,840 1,230-6,150 340-1,710 Aircraft designed to fly at supersonic speeds show large differences in their aerodynamic design because of the radical differences in the behaviour of flows above Mach 1. Sharp edges, thin aerofoil-sections, and all-moving tailplane/ canards are typical. Modern combat aircraft must compromise in order to maintain low-speed handling; "true" supersonic designs include the F-104 Starfighter and BAC/AĆ©rospatiale Concorde.
Hypersonic 5.0-10.0 3,840-7,680 6,150-12,300 1,710-3,415 Cooled nickel- titanium skin; highly integrated (due to domination of interference effects: non-linear behaviour means that superposition of results for separate components is invalid), small wings, see X-51A Waverider
High-hypersonic 10.0-25.0 7,680-16,250 12,300-30,740 3,415-8,465 Thermal control becomes a dominant design consideration. Structure must either be designed to operate hot, or be protected by special silicate tiles or similar. Chemically reacting flow can also cause corrosion of the vehicle's skin, with free-atomic oxygen featuring in very high-speed flows. Hypersonic designs are often forced into blunt configurations because of the aerodynamic heating rising with a reduced radius of curvature.
Re-entry speeds >25.0 >16,250 >30,740 >8,465 Ablative heat shield; no wings; blunt capsule shape
Post by SSJjanemba (2,176 posts) See mini bio Level 11

he dodged the light of dathe
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@SSJjanemba said:
" he dodged the light of dathe "
could you answer 7 questions?
Post by Justice (764 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I'm Sure Hitsu or Kurohige could give an answer, I can try but first, why all these DBZ-like threads about their power? Ain't their already a thread like this?
Post by SSJjanemba (2,176 posts) See mini bio Level 11

roshi is faster then sound 
goku should be more faster then roshi 
goku after drunking the mystic water should be near lightning speed 
popo is faster then lightning 
not sure how fast kami is, but he couldn't evn keep his eyes on piccolo and goku so i doubt he was any fast 
goku and piccolo should have been hypersonic  
raditz must have been far faster then goku/piccolo should have been `realvistic speed
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Justice said:

" I'm Sure Hitsu or Kurohige could give an answer, I can try but first, why all these DBZ-like threads about their power? Ain't their already a thread like this? "

Because there are lots of dbz battle threads, and many different opinions.   
Other threads are too large, they are trying to cover entire db/dbz universe.
Here I took smaller step.

@SSJjanemba

said:

" roshi is faster then sound goku should be more faster then roshi goku after drunking the mystic water should be near lightning speed popo is faster then lightning not sure how fast kami is, but he couldn't evn keep his eyes on piccolo and goku so i doubt he was any fast goku and piccolo should have been hypersonic  raditz must have been far faster then goku/piccolo should have been `realvistic speed "

Could you give me some numbers,
 for exsample:
Roshi mach 5-100
goku 20x faster then roshi
Goku after water 10x faster
Popo 10x faster then Goku 
Kami 2x faster then Popo
Goku 20x faster then Kami
Raditz 2x faster then Goku

just your opinion
Post by SSJjanemba (2,176 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@Mortein:
its hard to estimate those kind of numbers
Post by SSJjanemba (2,176 posts) See mini bio Level 11

ok then  
roshi faster then sound 
kid goku is 10X faster then roshi 
goku after drinking water  should be approching lightning speed 
pop should be 3 times faster then goku 
kami should be same speed hen popo 
piccolo and goku should be 100X faster then kami 
raditz should have been 5 times faster then piccolo and gku
Post by StargunZX (476 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Vegito is below light speed.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@StargunZX said:
" Vegito is below light speed. "
Do you have proof for this claim, or is it just a speculation?
Also try to stay on the subject, and do what the thread is asking you.
Post by StargunZX (476 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Mortein said:

" @StargunZX said:

" Vegito is below light speed. "

Do you have proof for this claim, or is it just a speculation?
Other than the fact that Dragon Ball has not shown anyone moving at near the speed of light?

Also try to stay on the subject, and do what the thread is asking you. "

In D end Gito is the only DB character that really matters for that kind of discussion...
Why dodge this fact?
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@StargunZX said:

" @Mortein said:

" @StargunZX said:

" Vegito is below light speed. "

Do you have proof for this claim, or is it just a speculation?
Other than the fact that Dragon Ball has not shown anyone moving at near the speed of light?

Also try to stay on the subject, and do what the thread is asking you. "

In D end Gito is the only DB character that really matters for that kind of discussion... Why dodge this fact? "
You know the phrase "absence of evidence is not  evidence of absence
If we do not know how fast Vegeto is, then his speed is unknown, not below light speed and not ftl, but unknown.
All we can do is speculate.
 
There is no way for us to quantify the speed of top tier DBZ characters other then by power scaling, and I know that method is not reliable, but if thats all we have, then thats all we have.
 
There is no proof for a life outside the Earth, yet most scientists agree that life on some other planets most likely exists.
 
Also since you are already posting here, could you do what thread asks you and answer those 7 questions?
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Over all: 
 
Long distance flight speed: hypersonic, mach 10++ 
Short distance fighting speed: much faster than lightning, relativistic-light speed 
Reactions: lightspeed-lightspeed+
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" Over all:  Long distance flight speed: hypersonic, mach 10++ Short distance fighting speed: much faster than lightning, relativistic-light speed Reactions: lightspeed-lightspeed+ "
could you answer the questions?
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20

 Question number 1:

How fast do you think Roshi is?

 
Running speed while out of training and rusty: Beyond peak human 
Combat speed and reactions, faster than the speed of sound likely hypersonic. 

Question number 2:

According to this feat how much faster then Roshi this Goku is?

Roshi cannot follow his movements, so much much faster.

Question number 3:

How much faster Goku became after drinking mystic water?

Much much faster again.

Question number 4:

 How much faster then Goku do you think Popo was?

 In terms of actual raw speed, not that much. 
Goku's physical stats I feel were not that much lower than Popo's, it was Popo's sensing of ki and clear mind that gave him the huge edge. This is expanded in the anime, wherein Goku empties his mind and can dodge lighting, rather than undergoing physical speed training to be able to dodge it.

Question number 5:  

How much faster then Popo do you think Kami was  
 Kami is much much faster than DB Popo

 

 

Question number 6:   

How much faster then kami Goku and Piccolo are? 
A good deal faster when going all out.
   

Question number 7:

How much faster then Piccolo and Goku Raditz is?

The Goku and Piccolo from Question 6 became a bit faster, yet Radditz was a fair bit faster still. 
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Don't we have this thread already? 
Post by SilverGalford (2,951 posts) See mini bio Level 11
hypersonic
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
why is it so hard for everyone to answer these 7 questions?
Post by SSJjanemba (2,176 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@Mortein: we dont like test's
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@Mortein: Very few people have researched the topic as thoroughly as you have. 
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