Yusuke52 (Level 16)

Wow, decided to read one of the battle forum debates for old times’ sake and reading these Naruto vs threads is just fucking depressing... Quality of the debate has certainly dropped here in my opinion.
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Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@ReiKai: So because I don't agree with your views in my opening post of this topic you call mine absurd, and not only mine but in effect Kurohiges too? The internet has become a horrible place of hate I guess. It was not even directed at you anyway.

SilverGalford questioned the size I corrected him. It was also stated in the databook that it can infact exist in the physical universe.

I am fully aware of what the TTGL can do, and the fact that Lordgenome decided to block and absorb the attack means very little, given that Lazengan is part of the TTGL and they were stalmating the attack regardless, what the couldn't do was exceed the energy output. He block and converted it to "pave the way" for future spiral beings, giving them enough spiral power to exceed the power of the Granzeboma and overcome it.

Simon himself admits that even after absorbing the infinity Big Bang Storm, they were evolving and their power was growing with it.

Even still they held back the energy equlivant of the big bang for a long period of time before it was converted into spiral energy and absorbed by the main body of the TTGL in order to exceed Granzeboma.

Contrary to what you might believe, you are not the only person to have watched TTGL.

I assume you are refering to something like this when you say he can survive a single attack from Galactus

Yeah, Thanos did do a good job of blocking that attack, abite being heavily damaged and Galactus stating himself that a second attack would have more or less ended Thanos.

I wonder myself what a dirll bigger than the Milky Way would do to him when it's power is many times greater than the energy contained in the Infinity Big Bang Storm?

You make out like I condemed Thanos to death, I said myself that he would put up a fight as Thanos has fought with the best of them, I however believe that he will be unable to defeat something like TTGL as easily as teleporting inside the cockpit and taking out the pilots. Given that he does not know where to cockpit is located in the 10 million light years of mass, the entire thing is created from an energy he has never encountered before that the pilots could easily alter and reshape, and that when it moves its can easily traverse a galaxy in well under a second.

If he can teleport into a room no bigger than the bridge of the starship enterprise, which is moving at speeds well in the trillions of times FTL, and having no way of mapping the TTGL or having no knowledge of where the cockpit is located, that would make his feat of teleportation one of the greatest and luckiest I have seen.

I assume he teleports to energy signatures for a precise teleportation anyway. Might be tough for him to do given that the entire Mech is created from the energy of the pilots

If it was as easy as that the Anti Spiral would have done so the second they materialized the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

Need I remind you that Spiral Power fundamentally breaks the laws of reality (Which is why a Spiral Nemesis occurs) allowing the pilots to alter probability, create matter from nothing, and defy all laws of physics and conservation of energy, not to mention tearing holes in space time, dimensional teleportation such as entering the sealed universe of the Anti Spirals, decent time manipulation, speed which would make the Surfer on his board blush and so on and so forth?

Without a gem or the gauntlet itself he will be in for one hell of a fight, which I can't see him winning in all honesty.

My purpose of joining this thread was to make the correction on the size of the TTGL while adding in my brief views on the fight. I have done so, and I have no intention of taking this any further. Besides these threads with comic characters just turn into shitfests nowadays and I had no intention of taking this thread any further than a few posts.

Could not care less nowadays about debating for Marvel/DC character like I would have done not too long ago. This is for anime and manga, as to why there are so many comic vs anime battles on here is beyond me. Maybe I just get on at bad times...

I was never going to debate with you anyway beyond this post here since you take the fun out of the debating part with the way you act towards others. You don't try to understand the view points of others, you just instantly call them a troll or absurd. Shows how little compassion for others you have, when you can't even wait a few posts before insulting what they say.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford: It was confirmed in the databook that the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 10 million light years tall (100 times the size of the milky way).

Hell it's even stated on the wiki present on this very site. At least do a search for these things before you post about how "100% Sure" you are that everyone else is wrong and only you are correct.


The fact that the Anti Spiral lost to them was due to the fact that it could not evolve to a higher level of power as the Anti Spirals had purged their spiral power in order to circumvent the eventual spiral nemisis. Spiral power throught the series was shown to grow with the persons will to win. Hence why the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is nothing more than the manifestation of pure spiral energy.

As for the mind raping, They escaped from an extradimensonal labyrinth that the Anti Spiral trapped their consiousness inside, which is an infinite series of alternate universes.

As for the unlimited power, its made a point in the series that the stronger the resolve of the chartacter the stronger his/her spiral power is and as a result, the stronger he/she is. This is also the reason the Anti Spirals purged their spiral energy, because they realised that if they continued to grow stronger they would bring about the Spiral Nemesis. Spiral Energy is only as strong as their resolve, and by the end their resolve was strong enough to break free from the sea of dispare which convereted used spiral energy into pressure, alter probability and create a galaxy sized mech from nothing. All in all a good days work, given that they are simply "humans".

As for that thread you posted, Galactus is stronger than TTGL in base so there is nothing stopping him from taking them out quickly before they can grow stronger.

I would say Thanos would likely put up a good fight but he cant compete with something of that size and power without a gem or the IG.

I understand where you are coming from but to say he wins with the utter ease you suggest he does is just wrong.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Naruto vs Luffy vs Ichigo vs Tsuna

Since when did Senjutsu Chakra give you precognition? It heightens your reflexes, speed and strength and allows you to sense chakra over long distances. At no point did it give him Haki like precognition.

Kurama's Chakra allows him to sense negitive emotions so that does not serve as precognition either, where did you get the idea from that he can predict an attack before it happens.

If you have a scan of him forseeing an attack before it hits him then by all means post away, because clearly I have missed a chapter.

And Naruto has never shown the ability to "Spam" his Bijuu Dama, It has also never shown Multi-Mountain busting destruction so until it blows up an area of that size it's high end mountain level. I will conceed to this of course if you can show me an image of him spamming said attack with ease.

Im not going to say that Luffy will survive a direct hit from one as I would be lying to myself, but if Naruto, a physically weaker character (Comperable in strength currently) can move and defect Bijuu Dama's with a kick, I see no reason why Luffy, thanks to his Gomu Gomu no Mi, can't replicate this by slingshotting it into the air or off to the side. My only qualm about this tactic is would he be quick enough to act.

The gap in power between these guys is not as large as some people make it out to be, The only thing that Naruto has that put's him ahead of the pack is his Bijuu Dama, without that he goes back to being much weaker overall than the rest of them as Luffy and Ichigo have a much higher level of damage output than him, not to mention being a degree faster and more durable.

I know nothing about Tsuna as KHR never grabbed my attention, but assuming what people say is true my ranking would be

Tsuna -- Ichigo (Post Dangai, he could be lower than this currently but I will keep it like this till we get more information) -- Luffy -- Naruto

The reason I put Luffy ahead of Naruto is simple, the only thing that can put him ahead of Luffy can only be used sparingly (Until shown otherwise) and is only accessable during his 5 minute window, Neither Luffy or Ichigo have such limitations on their power and can consistently output high damage at a very fast pace, once Naruto comes out of his cloak he is getting beat down. With that said the gap between Naruto and Luffy thanks to the Bijuu Dama in this ranking is very small indeed.

What I dont understand is why people casually put Ichigo above Naruto. Everyone says "Luffys not gonna survive a Bijuu Dama", Thats true, he cant but neither can Ichigo. His durability threshold does not exceed High Town - Low City level, so a mountain buster is gonna mess him up too. He is not so fast that he can avoid one either If you are going to rank them according to damage output and durability the do it correctly as neither Luffy nor Ichigo is surviving a Bijuu Dama.

Some will say that ranged strikes will destroy the Bijuu Dama before its fired, yeah thats true. But both Ichigo and Luffy are more than capable of not even allowing Naruto the time or concentration required to form a complex attack that requires an exact 8:2 ratio else it detonates in his face by spamming Gattling/Storm or Getsuga Tensho at Naruto and forcing him to keep moving.

Kage Level Clones? Yeah thats great, but Ichigo and Luffy can easily put them down as they dont have the durability to tank any of their attacks, At a base they are still shadow clones. They are going down from one good hit, which Luffy or Ichigo can do with a punch or sword swing.

And once again if you have scans to prove that Naruto while under heavy continuous fire can form something as complex as a Bijuu Dama then please post them.

As I said before, I know nothing about Tsuna so I can't comment on a victor. I also dont intend to reply to anyone via the thread here as I will be busy for a good few days and I dont plan on bringing back a dead thread so to speak, so if you are going to reply to me do so through a PM and I will get back to you as soon as I can.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Just Anime » How gruesome is Hellsing?

@MarioRedfield: Sometimes the scenes blur up (Mostly because of action, nothing to do with censorship) so I just took 2 different fights and got a few screen shots from each. Mind you there are many more fights like these, but they just stick out most in my mind. These should also be about as high a quality as you can find (But dont hold me to this lol), since these are from the blu-ray.

From left to right in the order they appear. (Episodes 3 & 7)

When the guy's face is taken off by a vampire, that is during episode 7 when Seras kills Zorin Blitz. The battle is so bloody that her uniform changes colour from yellow to red.

The first 7 images are from episode 3 when Alucard gets attacked by a SWAT team in the hotel. During the first 2 images he is shot to hell, after that he butchers the SWAT team.

The final image is parts of Zorins head after Seras was grinding it up against the wall. I should have taken the screenshot a second before so it would look better but I only just realised myself.

Sorry if these are a bit too bloody or hardcore for you. They dont appear as bad as Elfen Lied but I attribute that to the appearance of the blood in both shows, and as you can see above Hellsing Ultimate loves to make its blood stand out.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Just Anime » How gruesome is Hellsing?

@MarioRedfield: It's no hassle on my part, just need to go through the episodes and get the good screenshots.

If you want a few I can get some of the more gory scenes that I can recall just so you can see the difference.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Just Anime » How gruesome is Hellsing?

Ultimate is much worse than Elfen Lied in my opinion.

I could get some screen shots if you want a taster, but it might take me an hour or so.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Off-Topic » Debunking the Wank: Comic Feat Fact Check

I agree with , this should be on Comicvine. Let them look at it and see if you are correct.

Besides if it's as you say, and we all get our information for sites like that, why then would you come here and try to "debunk" all of this when you could just go to the source of the problems and spread the word there? It would be much more effective that way as the chance of it spreading from a site that is aimed at anime and manga fans is slim at best.

Could it be because you somehow feel that "because this is an anime site they wont know any better than to question me". Which would leave me to question the validity of your claims.

Bring this to Comicvine, if they feel its ok then good for you. As Destinyheroknight said this is for anime and manga, and this has nothing to do with either.

Post it in off-topic if anything, but you should really bring it to Comicvine if you want to sort it out.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Starrk runs a Shichibukai gauntlet

Its fine, no hard feelings my good man. (^_^)

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Starrk runs a Shichibukai gauntlet

I thought you were just on your tablet because you didnt have access to a computer at the time, apologies I didn't realise.

I would rather resolve a debate with proof than with words, as words can be taken out of context and exaggerated. Scans are much harder to exaggerate as everyone can clearly see it for themselves and come to a consenus.

In all honestly most fight here now adays are stomps, so scans are hardly needed in that regard. (Hurts me to say this but it really is true for the most part.)

Going by logical powerscaling he is up there with the big guys in speed (I would find it very hard to believe he is not at least in the double digts), his cutting feat I showed above is all that needs to be said in regards to this as that alone is fast enough to slice most people.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Starrk runs a Shichibukai gauntlet

I, at no point said it showed movement speed you are putting words into my mouth now, I said it showed his speed. Which is true, except for if you believe that unless its with your feet its not speed.

The fact the he activated his Room, drew his blade, made a full horizontal cut, resheathed his blade and placed it on his back then switched the canon ball before it could even move shows fast combat and cutting speed that is far more quantifiable than Starrks feat, given that there is no visable cut either means that Starrk wont even try to dodge, he will just believe him to be taking out his sword. That is assuming that he can even keep up with the movement of the sword.

He was focused on his heart as the kick was connecting with him, did you expect him to drop it take the damage it would deal to him when it bounced off the floor and counter his kick? if anything that shows that Vice Admiral Vergo has some admirable speed of his own.

The movement that occured was him activating his room, drawing his blade to make the slash motion and then resheathing it and then moving the sheathed blades position on his person and then begin moving his hands to activate shambles. This was before the canon ball even moved from its position.

So you cant prove any of what you are saying with scans or show me quantifiable qualities in the scans I asked for?

Is there any real point in taking this debate between us any further since you can't post scans to back up your argument. I could post them myself but what is the point of the debate if I am helping out the opposition by giving them the stuff they should be giving me?

I guess we can agree to disagree, But I will maintain that he will never make it past Law.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Starrk runs a Shichibukai gauntlet

His speed feat was activating his room, drawing his blade, making a full cut across, sheathing his blade again, moving it into his other hand and placing it on his back, then activating shambles before canon ball that was 4 feet infront of him moved an inch.

Starrk running back to Las Noches? Yeah that was impressive, can you please just for for clarity show me the time frame in which he moved from Ichigo and Kenpachi's location to Las Noches? Because if I recall correctly no time frame was given at all, it could have taken anything between 1 second to 30 minutes. You could say Orihime was shocked by the speed, you could also say that she was shocked that she was once again before Aizen.

You yourself admited in your post that Law has teleportation inside his room via switching with objects in its area of infulence, that alone gives him the advantage in speed, couple that with his cutting speed and nothing Starrk does will effect the outcome of the battle in the slightest.

Room activates Starrk begins to attack via wolves, Law switches himself with a pebble behind him slices his head and arms off and that was a good game.

Faster than Ichigo? Yes, Ichigo, contrary to what you might think is not leagues faster than everyone else in the HST.

You paint the picture that Ichigo is nigh untouchable by anyone save Kizaru while in his post dangai form, he is impressive but top tiers from One Piece (I would say Naruto too but to be honest Naruto is really the only one who can come close to or match his speed, i also would say other shows but I will keep this strictly HST) can still put him down with no effort of their part. Hell even Naruto is likely to be on par with him now.

Bleach gives the impression of insanely high speed, this is simply because Kubo refuses to draw backgrounds or give time frames. Back in reality they are not all that great. Fast? Sure, but nowhere near as fast as you claim them to be.

The only thing that seperates him in that from for the 3 now is he has the most sustanable destructive potential (By this I mean that he can consistently output strong attacks at high speed), Speed wise they are more or less all equal now.

If you can quantify Starrks speed then by all means go ahead. Hate to tell you but unlike Law who actually has something we can scale his speed from, Starrk has nothing.

Until then Room, Slice, and Shambles ends him at 4.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Starrk runs a Shichibukai gauntlet

He got it back, and directly after he caught it he was kicked in the face. I would like to think his attention was on his heart right there. Hardly reason to downplay his fighting ability.

Starrks speed is at best, slightly slower than Ichigo who was mach 11 post-dangai. Law is calced at mach 13+ pre-timeskip, He is the faster one here.

Speed and his hax ends Starrk. He might put up a decent fight thanks to being already released, but he is not getting past Law's Room.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Starrk runs a Shichibukai gauntlet

He wont make it past Law, given that once Room is active there is nothing Starrk can do to stop him.

There is a reason Law is considered one of the more powerful characters in the HST, and its because his "Room" is beyond broken.

@solesamurai: Slicing a frozen Tsunami in half at long range and tagging luffy with a wind blade at long range with his eyes closed. Nothing special given that he is never really pushed to his limits, even during Marineford he suffered little to no fatigue and took no damage despite fighting some powerful people.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Bleach » Going out on a limb and gonna say...

I hope they have a good story behind it, as I feel giving him new powers just for the sake of giving him new powers seems like a rather pitiful way to end Bleach.

But I like your assessment of how he has Quincy powers now, I think it's a good place to start at least. Might also explain how Isshin can get along so well with Ryuken despite the animosity between Shinigami and Quincy, for all we know she could somehow be related to Ryuken, I think that would make a nice subplot if it happens to be true.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Tsunade vs Mei Terumi

@taichokage: I can agree with this, she does have a high tollerance of pain and her regen is impressive by Naruto standards. But its more to do with her being subjected to constant regeneration through prolonged damage, in that she is essentially healing herself only to be destroyed again with no break between the regeneration and destruction, I can't see many people being able to stand up to this level of pain, not to mention that if she wants to hit Mei should would have to go into the acid to land an attack.

The worst kind of pain after all is extended and lengthy pain.

I also keep forgetting about her water release for some reason, which is weird because she is the Mizukage after all haha.

That proved to be rather "forceful" where she was able to force Madara into the air for Tsunade to attack him, and counter his Great Fire Destruction herself when it took a number of standard shinobi's combined efforts to stop his Great Fire Annihilation, she could likely use these to keep the Distance between them and keep her acid active to wear her down until she passed out from chakra exhaustion or just from the pain.

I agree that either could take out the other with their attacks, but I can see Mei pulling it off more often.

Your thoughts?

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Tsunade vs Mei Terumi

@taichokage: I thought the same myself, but I never found her regen to be useful against powerful prolonged AoE attacks. Mei's corssive mist was strong enough to casually melt through Susanoos ribs in a matter of seconds and her lava is also able to do the same. I believe Mei also said that she can control the potentency of her acid, so its unlikely that Tsunade's regen would be quick enough to completely negate the damage that is being delt, She also still feels pain while her regen is active, and I doubt she would be able to to remain consious having her body continusly melted by acid and lava.

Defence wise I would agree with you to some extent. Tsunade is not very durable herself, she relies on her regen to get her through a tough fight, which can be a "bad" thing in all honesty.

While I agree that all Tsunade needs to do is land one punch to end this, I would say they are evenly matched in speed and reactions and either of them could dodge the others physical attacks. Mei's attacks however have a larger range and a wider area of effect, which is why I say she has the advantage over Tsunade.

The gap of 26 feet between them also makes a big difference in my eyes.

She also is able to use Hidden Mist if im not mistaken, so Tsunade would have a hard time landing a direct hit through that.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Tsunade vs Mei Terumi

Mei rather easily in my eyes, she is much more versitle thanks to her Kekkei Genkai and her attacks pack enough power to put Tsunade down.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Cole MacGrath vs Avatar Aang

@Killer_of_trolls: So you are suggesting that a 40 year old Adult Aang has not increased in strength at all since he beat Phoenix King Ozai, to a level that his predecessors reached in their mid to late 30's? Its safe to say that he is around their level of power given he has had 30 years to increase his strength, this should also be clear given that his mastery over the Avatar State allowed him to break free for some very powerful bending and wake him up after he was knocked unconcious.

Current/final version? Cole absorbed the powers of John White (AKA The Beast, or were you not following the story?) through the non-canon bad ending. Unless stated otherwise we should be using the strongest Canon version of Cole, the one where he is fighting The Beast during his good ending. The only difference here is that he is also granted the bad skill tree and the powers of the fire skill set.

The only way to make a fair fight in my eyes is to have them going at their all to beat their opponent, anything outside of this leaves far to much up to the imagination. You can't account for how Adult Aang will feel fighting Cole conversley you cant account for how Cole will feel fighting Aang given that both would rather not kill anyone. All he has to do is immobilize him by binding his entire body in stone to win the fight, and that is an easy way for him to win since the ground is right there and there are very few attacks that Cole can use to break through it.

He took Yakone's bending away, he cant do the same to Cole most likely, which means the only other option is to immobilize him or kill him. The fact that a relitevely low level of water causes him immense pain and virtually knocks him out, still makes this a viable way for Aang to win via flying into the air and bringing forth a small tsunami, You seem to overlook the fact that Aang can fly at very high speeds while in the Avatar State, and move at very high speeds while out of it, Much faster than Cole can in this regard.

if im not mistaken Manhattan is surrounded by water on virtually all sides, Aangs bending in his Avatar State can easily pull it to Times Square. There are also water and sewage pipes littered throughout the Square itself, there is no shortage of water near him.

Earth, Wind, Water, and Fire in one guy who can also fly? Yeah im afraid it is a far to diverse skill set for Cole to manage with just his powers.

I asume you are talking about the Ionic Storm? A simple air blast to knock him off his feet would suffice to negate the attack as an explosion that staggers me can ruin the attack. Also this attack only works on slow moving or stationary targets, neither of which Aang is...

As for Lightning Storm, that gives someone too much time to dodge, and since Cole can't control the power fully to the extent of fine tuning its movement it will be hard for him to land the attack.

Suck the life out of Aang? With Bio-Leech or Ionic Drain?

The first power which requires you to be down on the ground in a near dead state to begin with, the second only works on fodder and has no effect on boss level enemies. Lets over look this for just a second and remember how well Yakone did at immobilizing Aang out in the street and tried to kill hi... Oh wait he just went Avatar State, locked him in a prison of earth, and took his bending away, All the while sporting the troll face.

Infinite energy? Can you point this out in the OP im afraid I missed it, and In the event its not in the OP (Its not, I checked.) why are you turning it on? Its not part of the standard rule set.

You talk about Infamous as if you have never played the games before, if you had you would know that Bio-Leech and Ionic Drain only works on downed/fodder enemies and not boss level enemies, and any attack that requires use of an Ion Charge (Something which he can only use 3 times since there is no infinite energy here) can be intrupted by an attack strong enough to stagger Cole, and that The Beast was John White something which you seem to not know given this comment.

Cole absorved the beast in the end, this has nothing to do with White.

If it had nothing to do with White, The Beast would not exist at all.

John is also the one who GIVES Cole his powers, Cole does not absorb them at all, he is given them as John can't handle what must be done. His powers range from a much more advanced form of pyrokinesis, to absorbtion and distribution of energy to create conduits, high level regeneration, and increase of inhibit the powers of other conduits.

Yeah can you please tell me your experience with these games, I am starting to doubt you have played them at all. You should know all this already, but it seems you don't, or you are choosing to ignore them for some reason. I don't know why you would most of this is simple stuff or story based.

Kessler is a much better option thanks to his increased power and teleportation. And I stand by what I say in this thread, we can agree to disagree.

What I hope we can agree on is that Aang looks good sporting an Abraham Lincon beard!

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Cole MacGrath vs Avatar Aang

@Killer_of_trolls: I dont know what you mean by this, as I stood in a pond during the final mission and near fired myself into oblivion. I mean sure he can jump out, but the fact that the water will move and follow him is going to make any kind of counter attack next to impossible.

All Aang has to do is fly straight into the air and raise the Ocean (He put out fires over an entire nation after his battle with Ozai). His speed while flying allows him to avoid every one of Coles attacks.

Coles biggest weakness is one of Aangs biggest strengths.

He could lock him in an earthen prison, then drown him, collapse the buildings around them and crush Cole like that, bring up two walls around Cole and crush him like that, open a hole beneath him and colapse it, killing him.

The Avatar State gives him too much of an advantage on Cole as he lacks any real flight of his own. Even without it, this is Adult Aang, we can only say he should be at least as powerful as Roku given his progression. And Roku was casually making trenches across an island to divert lava, and that was without the Avatar State.

Aang is far to powerful and fast for Cole to handle, water bending puts cole in a real up hill struggle to even entertain the thought of him winning.

Aangs attacking methods are FAR to diverse for him to handle.

Johns powers were never stated in the OP, so he would not have them.

Post by Yusuke52 (454 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Battles » Yamamoto Vs Masaki

@solesamurai said:

Lol retards.

Lovely that you are calling everyone a retard now.

I wasn't showinghow their abilities can't work I was stating how they could be countered

And they can only be countered in the way you described by assuming they are are bound by standard laws of physics in said form, which they are not else they would disperse and never reform.

Hence why I continue to say that your point is irrelevant in the context of this battle.

Nothing in either manga states physics is turned off dumbass hence why I'm posting this.

Nothing does state that it is turned off, but when you have people who turn into Ice, Magma, Fire, Sand, Darkness (Not a true Logia), Lightning, and Light, you need to bend the applied laws of physics to accomade the changes.

Which means that unless you have a way of harming their body directly (Haki or bypassing durability and intangibility), Destroying their logia form with a stonger element or absorbing them directly. You are not hamring them by conventional means when they are transformed.

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