trillions of times faster than light and multi universe buster so he might win this, i just want your opinions.
Asura should win if what I am told about his power is correct.
thanks for the anti spiral system which you think can help this case, but anyway , when Anti Spiral was destroyed along with Simon's Mecha , i guess that spiral recognition system dissapeared . so now again how come humans were able to see them with the naked eye again the explosion after The Anti Spiral was destroyed lights of years in the distance along with its powers and that recognition? , the explosion and the head had the spiral recognition too?
You guess? Not a good start but what you are asuming is that Granzeboma is the Recognition System which would be wrong, the recognition system is little more than their minds or imaginations bringing things into existence, something that could only be done in Super Spiral Space (An Area that has copious amounts of spiral energy contained within). As long as the Anti Spiral Dimension remained active, it would continue to work until it collapsed.
Which is exactly what it did do, making your argument moot.
with "unlimited power which can do everything " they should have tanked that attack and returned it back to the Anti Spiral on their OWN ,beat the hell out of the Anti Spiral on their OWN. that "it's getting dangerous" comment shouldn't have been stated in the frist place. they tanked it but they were about to die at the same time. what is the use of tanking something if it will kill you anyway?. if you have "unlimited power" you can beat anything but if something is about to destroy you that so called unlimited power is more like a bluffing , that's really simple and your simple mind cannot understand.
Why do you keep using quote marks when you say "Unlimited power", We said clearly that it is tied DIRECTLY to their resolve and willpower, which means that its only going to go down if they lose the will to fight. When they took the attack their resolve was dropping and in effect their power, when Lordgenome sacrificed himself to convert the energy their resolve strengthened and then managed to kill the guy who had been slapping them around for quite a while with little more than Simon and Nia falling into the planet inside a broken Lagann.
Not only did they match the Anti Spiral's power at they end, they exceeded it inside Lagann.
what is the use of tanking something if it will kill you anyway?
Really? Nice defeatist attitude you have have there.
By that logic Whitebeard should not have bothered to tank Akainus attack and should have just killed himself since he knew he was going to die anyway. He took the attacks because he was trying to buy everyone else time, he took the attack because he knew himself that if he died there and then, very few of his pirates would get out alive, he tanked the attack because he thought it was the best thing to do despite the damage that he was about to take.
TTGL tanked it because, despite knowing that they would likely not hold out for long against the attack, its better to try than not at all. They tanked the attack in the hopes of winning the battle and not just giving up at the first sign of opposition.
Hell the point of the show is to overcome impossible odds and stand in the face of danger as say "Fuck you!".
Have you never tried in life when something got a little bit difficult just because you wanted to see it through, regardless of the outcome? You must lead a very slow and boring life if you have never taken a chance that might backfire on you, Because I sure most people have.
Are you saying that if someone pointed a gun at you and your family you would not even try to take the gun from him for fear of dying? I say screw that, because the way I look at that you have 2 options, Either stand there and do nothing and die, or try to take the gun off him and possibly save everyone.
Sure you might die in the process, but I would rather go out fighting than not at all.
I know which one im gonna pick, what about you?
At the end of they day they took the attack for long time, making them subject to a direct energy blast equal to a big bang.
Guy vs Kisame (Second Fight) on Turtle Island happened in Chapter 506. His death happened in Chapter 508.
If you have read nothing after these events, I would just start off at Chapter 506 and begin from there. Given its the last thing you can remember, it would be best to pick things up from that point.
Its currently on Chapter 611, just so you can get the scale of what you need to catch up on.
Edit: @Destinyheroknight: You beat me to it haha.
@SilverGalford: Your logic is beyond stupid.
Since Laggan is not Million years sized plus the fact that Thanos can see people no matter where they are
Million years sized? Yeah you are right, its not a million years sized because a year is a unit of time not measurement or distance.
So Thanos has eyesight that apparently is a no limits fallacy now? Can you show proof of him knowing where everyone in every universe is all at once then?
Human Torch's will power couldn't help him.
For will power to be any use to anyone you need to have something to manifest it as a tangible force or energy, That is what spiral power is for. You do understand this fact dont you?
yes i can understand , but the crew was first AFFECTED
Yep, can you show them being affected in the same way when they transformed into the TTGL? Given that it was so easy for the Anti Spiral to enter the cockpit beforehand and because you somehow think they did not increase in power or size at all despite everything saying different. Why may I ask you did he not just do so again and then kill them while they were trapped?
yet what i watched on the video was a planet sized robot.
Ignorance truly is bliss I guess.
To think that I actually had to go throw each episode just to get these for a guy who thinks he know more than people who have actually sat down and watched the show...
Here we see the Choginga Daigurren compaired to the moon, as you can see its the same size, likely larger in all honesty. Just a fun fact for you here they destroyed the moon to get this and yet you yourself can see the moon, so there you have meer humans manufacturing another moon and launching it into space and getting it back into obit around the earth again.
Here we see the Choginga Daigurren when compaired to the Ashtanga warships, slightly smaller than their nose. Remember now that this is a moons sized mech.
This here is just after they created the much larger Choginga Daigurren (Humanoid), this is evident when during the transformation sequence you can see it expanding to a few times its size.
Here it is. and as you can see its much larger now than before standing well over half of its face, as you can see the Ashtanga warships are much larger than our planet based on this alone.
Here are the Ashtanga picking up planets similar in size and to the Choginga Daigurren not moments after the above screen cap.
Snuggly fitting its hard round said planet showing off a nice atmosphere there and some land and water to boot.
Here they are throwing 10-20 planets at them casually,
Would you look at that, now its even larger than the planets it was similar in size to not moments ago. Given that it has now dwarfed said planets its now casually much larger than our planet bassed on this latest scan.
Ah yes here its stated that they can shoot randomly and still hit the Ashtanga warships that have now activated their Shrodinger effect and are just warping through time, or to put it simply they have a psudo omnipresence currently.
Here is them firing off to every point in recent time to destroy the hundreds strong fleet of Ashtanga warships.
here is said explosions that followed after their beams entered through dimensional portals they opened so as to manipulate the time period they would hit in. Also note that these attacks increase the probability of them actually hitting the target to 100%, ergo there is way to dodge them once they are fired.
Just a fun note to add in, its currently expelling the energy of a galaxy in its engines. Hmm I wonder what they will do with all that energy?
The resulting explosion of an Ashtanga warship when it was destroyed by a Giga Drill Break that was almost twice as long as its body. They were at the center of said explosion.
Ah, found this rather funny, you talk about how Thanos can see EVERYTHING EVER!!! Well here is a fun little scene of simon just casually looking a few galaxys from him and seeing Nia. Similar to VERY long range clairvoyance.
Here is the anti spiral stating that an intelligent lifeform couldn't escape from the Labyrinth. Shows how strong their determination and will to win is when despite being a highly intelligent bunch of people they could still break out if it without too much effort on their part.
Here is Gurren Lagann fitting into the head of the Arc Gurren Lagann.
here is Arc Gurren Lagann fitting into the head of Choginga Daigurren (The one that was much larger than our planet).
Here they are again nice and cosy inside this planet here, given the size of the mech inside, its a few times larger than our Earth.
Here is it among a cluster of other planets in this galaxy. As you can see here no other Galaxy is visable, which can only mean we are seeing everything inside this galaxy currently and not much more.
Here is it completely invisable to the naked eye now, and all we can see is another cluster of planets I count between 25-30 in this rather small cluster. Note again that no other galaxy is visable currently.
And here we come at last, the galaxy that houses Nia and by extention the Choginga Daigurren, no clusters are visable anymore, and we can clearly see all other galaxies now. Everything points towards this being the size it is potrayed to be. But of course your bullshit knows no bounds and you will likely try to find some kind of reason to make it appear smaller than our planet. Despite me just about to prove it is MUCH MUCH larger.
And here we are at last, the mech that walks on a Galaxy, many many many millions of times larger than the planet that it was contained in not 10 seconds ago. You doubt its size? I think the subs say what we and they are all thinking when you believe its smaller than a planet.
Here is the explosive clash between the two of them, as you can see its many times larger than their own bodies and completely covers the distance of the galaxy from end to end.
Galaxies like shurikens, these Galaxies were the exact same size as the TTGL itself before it dodged them.
This is them freefalling through a few galaxies, kinda like they do this as a past time. Nothing special in regards to their power.
Here is the most likely reason the battle can be seen from Earth. This is also the most reasonable assumption the battle can be seen all over the galaxy too. Why do i say this, because the spiral recognition system gives thought form, at this point they want everyone to see the battle, ergo the Recognition System makes this possible and broadcasts it to very planet in the Galaxy, this is despite the only possible view point for this battle would be from Earth.
This is also a good point in favor of my last argument, the TTGL is clearly with its back to Earth based on where it entered into the dimension of the Anti Spirals, yet here the entire planet can see its face and Granzeboma has his back to the planet instead. They did not change places of course, and despite the dimensional rip is no larger than the moon overall inside our universe, there is no possible way other than what I described for them to be able to see this battle unfold on such a large scale across the sky.
Here is the Infinity Big Bang Storm, which contains the "energy capable of creating universes!"
Or in your terms, Its more or less like a big bang.
Here is them going to grab it. Something which according to you didnt happen, because apparently by your rendition of these events Lordgenome was the one to block the attack.
Thats it hitting them, as you can see they still have their back to the portal and the attack is many times larger than the Galaxy they now stand on, so large in fact that they are little more than specks in this image.
We are exactly 22 seconds into the attack now, from the point of it hitting them of course. Here she says "Its Getting Dangerous", for your simple mind that means that they have tanked the attack and that its starting to take its toll on them. From the moment the attack hit them to the moment Lordgenome stepped in to convert the energy, a total elapsed time of 1:06. During this time they were subject to the energy of the creation of the universe. If thats not tanking an attack then I might just kill myself for dealing with someone so silly to think such things.
Remember them having their back to the portal, well here is all the people in the city looking at the fight once more except this time the TTGL is facing away from them and yet as you can see, wind is blowing towards the apparent genesis of the battle, this could only mean that the city is on the other side of the planet where the incredible energy blast would cause the winds to blow one way around the planet giving this effect right here. This further reinforces my point about it being broadcast by Spiral Recognition, and not simply through the looking glass in the sky.
Here is the TTGL with a drill that just broke in its attack.
here it is having repaired the drill easily, they do this 10-20 times over the course of a few seconds, but its so blurred it makes me screen capping it pointless.
Ah I added this for comedic value, if we go by your logic, the drill from the TTGL is right beside Simons eye. Looks painful, this should teach you not to dismiss somthing based on the artwork when everything (Statments, images and numerous sources) is in favor of it.
This is them more or less fistbumping each other, and this explosion is a few times larger than them again.
Here they are at the center of the Galaxy that just exploded into many colours and then finally blew up. Note that at this point TTGL was broken down to its basic Gunmen.
Here is the large eplosion they were just at the heart of, viewed from Earth. I can easily show it in the same few seconds after the above image but I find this one much nicer.
And here we come at last to the end of this spanking, planets throughout the galaxy saw the battle and are now calling in with the phrase that pays. Just to further reinforce the point of Spiral Recognition.
To think that I would have to post so many images just to prove to someone as stubborn as yourself that the Size is as stated and that its power is as stated and that its speed is as stated and that everything that has been said up until this point about the TTGL has infact been true.
Of course you will still fine some way to try and argue back against me, if you chose to. I would ask for 4 things.
1. Show Thanos reacting to and teleporting at speeds that allowed the TTGL to cross 7-8 milky way sized galaxies in around a second
2. Show him mindraping someone 10 million light years from his current location.
3. Show him tanking a galaxy destroying blast. And then, Show me him tanking one that can destroy multiple galaxies.
4. Show him outputting enough energy to destroy multiple galaxies.
As I and other has said up until this point, no amount of no limit fallicys you apply to Thanos will stop him from eating a Giga Drill Break to his face before he even realises that all he can see of his opponet is a giant mass of metal that could only be a foot. he will be dead long before he has the chance to teleport into an object he has no way of knowing the interior structure.
say that to the creator who did a bad job at creating galaxies.
Do me a favor here. Since you claim to know more about artwork than people who are paid to do it for a living, you go ahead there and draw me a galaxy sized galaxy. You make it out to be so easy well go ahead and prove us all wrong big man. I call you out on this one.
Hope you enjoy the scans, not like you will appreciate them anyway since you will continue to spout more BS regardless. I have done more in favor of my agrument (Information, scans, personal knowledge on the series) than you have for Thanos.
Lol I ask you for these scans when I know full well you wont deliever them to me. This debate ended with your ignorance.
Needless to say I enjoyed this. Im offically out now, said everything that needed to be said, took screen caps for everthing that needed to be shown, and have contributed more than enough proof to show why the TTGL wins this battle. But anyway, I have some papers to write.
I would tell you to send me the scans I asked for via PM but for some reason you are so ignorant that you can't even do this simple task.
@SilverGalford: I dont know why you keep name dropping Galactus. Had Galactus been at even half his strength fighting Thanos, he would have obliterated him.
He didn't create a reality, he created an series of infinite universes using their own intelligence to fuel them, and then trapped their conscious minds inside said universes and cut them off from each other.
The Anti Spiral stated himself that as long as they have their intelligence they can't escape. To say that gives them no resistance of any form against mind invasion is false. Repeated attempts would likely work but the initial attempt would most likely fail.
I understand that Thanos has powerful telepathy, but the fact that there are 12 pilots in the entire Mech, each seperated from each other by a few million light years and in the case of Simon, inside Lagann itself (An area too small for Thanos to teleport inside), not to mention that once he teleports inside the structure he is susceptable to the effects of the Super Spiral Space it generates to keep itself stable in a physical universe.
Short version, he has teleported into an area that gives their thoughts form.
The point of Spiral Space, which is where the Granzeboma and TTGL fought, is to give their thoughts and dreams form. This can be seen when Lordgenome creates himself a body and rebuilds Lazengan from just a head, which also made it much bigger than its previous form. It is also seen when they transform a planet sized mech (SGGL) into the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann out of nothing but spiral energy. (Will return to this soon)
Inside this space they are rather powerful reality warpers, an interview with the creators explained that it can exist in the physical universe because it generates its own Super Spiral Space to exist in.
To say he is going to casually take out every pilot inside the mech by teleporting into each individual cockpit and mind fucking them before they can just will him back outside of it or throw him back in time a few minutes and hit him with a galaxy sized Giga Drill Break and still get up and continue is an overestimation of his power.
I will say that Thanos has very impressive regeneration but he is not tanking a multi galaxy sized drill of pure energy to his body and be able to effectively renerate from that.
As for its size, are you really in doubt when they took over the moon by destroying all Mugann with a city sized mech, tore through dimensions to break into a space that was sealed off by people many times more powerful than them, proceeded to break out of an ocean in space that converts any and all spiral energy it absorbs into pressure, tank actual planets being thrown at them, firing off anti-probability missiles that have a 100% chance to bypass defences and hit the target, firing off more shots into the past present and future in order to get around the Ashtanga Warships Shrodinger Effect, breaking out of a very elaborate telepathic maze they were placed in, summoning every mech to their location from nothing at all, creating a Mech larger than the Galaxy they were standing in from pure spiral energy, proceeding to throw galaxies around like shurikens, creating explosions larger than their size, stalemating the energy equlivant of the big bang, absorbing said energy to make them even more powerful, creating a drill larger than its body, continually creating more drills as each one broke, opening up one by one like matryoshka dolls until Lagann who is more or less still empowered from everything else kills the Anti Spiral King with a Lagann Impact thus ending the spiral war, after which they teleport back into real space where they can now breath without the need of a suit.
Given the absurdity of the series, and backed by the comment from the databook its rather hard to not believe they were galaxy sized by the end. Had the Earth not been visable, what case could be made that they were not a similar size to our own galaxies? It even goes to great length to prove their size when it zooms out of the planet Nia was held captive in, to show more planets, then it zooms out more to show even more, then it zooms out fully to show the galaxy itself.
For you to continually deny this is ignorant, its clearly as large as they are trying to portray it, but because of some poor choice in art design and story you will chastise them by saying they cant draw properly. Its horrible that you think like this. They went to great lengths to make it as absurd as possible, they went to great lengths to draw and colour each galaxy you see, they went to great lengths to show Granzeboma creating the big bang equlivant from 2 galaxies, they went to great lengths to describe the many various powers and effects they we showing.
For people to say that he can casually take down the TTGL faster than breathing, are tremendosuly overestimating his power.
He has never fought something that moves at the speeds it does and will hit him continually with the destructive power that it will.
I would like to think we agree when I say, Thanos can't match its destructive output nor its speed nor durability.
Which leaves a mindfuck as his only option to win.
Could this give him a win? Sure it could, hes powerful enough that they will sucumb to his telepathy eventually (How ever long this may take I will not get into), will he get his win easily by attempting this? Not a chance in hell.
The only way I can describe this is that Thanos has to exert himself much more than they have to to pull off a win. A single attack can reduce him to dust, whereas he must teleport inside an area they control down to the atom , and mindfuck each pilot one at a time before he is ejected by force and takes a drill to his body.
I hate to say this but you use horrible analogies to try and back up your statements, like using the Beyonder to prove the size of a galaxy and how big does not always mean powerful.
The latter is true, but when it shows them exhibiting said power frequently during their battle, then yes, in this case size does mean power.
As for the Beyonder, even you should know this was a horrible example, you might as well have used The One Above All in human form, given that the Beyonder could easily make himself as large as he wanted back before his retcon.
If this is going to continue, we cant constantly go back and forth like we have done.
Read through what I have posted, try to understand things as I see them. When you do, you will see what I mean. I have read what you have to say, I have taken my time trying to get myself into your mindset to understand things from your point of view. But the problem is that you dismiss aspects of the TTGL and continue to rant on about the same stuff without trying to understand what was said.
I dont want this to turn ugly for either of us and we end up not liking each other very much. Lets have a civilized discussion, you read through this carefully (I realise its alot of information, take your time with this i'm in no rush) try to see things in from my point of view and dont just dismiss them outright. I will do the same to yours.
If you have any evidence that can disprove any of what I have said then by all means post it. But I beg you to not continue with how you have been so far, if we can reach a mutual understanding then this is optimal.
(Likely many spelling mistakes here, just too much text for me to check through it and get all of them.)
Virology, not Biology.
Video is blocked in my country due to copyright grounds. Not to worry I watched the actual episode from the moment they were traped inside the maze.
Despite this you never answered my question, you said that someone helped them. I asked you to name which living person this was and you still have yet to do so.
This is not an answer, it's a lack of knowledge.
Given that you have decided to change your answer to 2 living persons, if you could name both of them now that would be great. I will be careful not to use any names apart from Simons in this next part just incase.
By little green crystal, I assume you mean the engagement ring, something they showed at the start of season 2 along with a little side plot of Simon's proposal to her, something which would be hard to forget given the importance of the scene it was used in and the shortness of the show itself? The only purpose that served was to bring them straight to said womans location, the ring holds no more signifance than a standard engagement ring, the gem itself is something simon found while digging through dirt in episode 11 (Simply a plot point to further his relationship with said woman), most likely an emerald based on the appearance. They were starting to break out already it just made everything alot easier breaking out at said womans location and bringing the entire SGGL to her location aswell so they could transform into the TTGL.
Said woman was simply a shortcut out of the dimension they were trapped in. Nothing more nothing less as far as this feat is concerned.
besides how many times should i have to remind you that they didn't do it by THEMSELVES?
despite the fact they didn't do it by themselves which is something you are ommiting
Give me the first name the living person who helped them break free of the illusion.
Its called Virology or a Virologist, not a biologist expert. That's not even a real thing.
I should clarify as I can see you making another mistake based on that last statment. You don't define a Biologist (Or any other job title for that matter) with terms like novice, expert, or master. This is because he/she has been highly educated in the field of biology.
@MarioRedfield: I see no reason why he can't. He is more than capable of taking out multiple ships with each kamehameha, and has the speed to dodge their attacks and in effect could make them fire on each other. He would have to run out of energy to lose.
@MarioRedfield: You have different variations of Reaper.
First would be the Sovereign Class, these are the standard warships for the Reapers.
Next would be the Harbinger Class, This is the largest and the strongest ship in the entire fleet. Rather unique too given that only one Harbinger was shown.
Then you would have the Destroy Class, which are more or less the fighter jets of the Reaper armada. Much smaller than the others and not as powerful, they would not be much use except in great numbers.
I also overlooked the fact that kenetic barriers are more or less useless against energy based attacks since they only offer protection against projectiles like Slugs. Which means that the only defence they would have against Gohan would be their Hull, which requires far less to break through than the Kenetic Barriers.
Goku never did, thats a fair point. But its not the fact he has never fought something this large before, its that they lack any real way of fighting back. They just don't have the guns or the shielding required to stand up against the power he has.
The indoctrination theory in the thread was somewhat flawed since it does not work like that. It has nothing to do with the amount that a mind is subjected to, its more to do with exposure time to any Reaper technology as even a small piece of a Reaper ship can be just as effective as the entire ship itself, they can speed up the process but even then it still takes too long to be effective. If it did then Earth would have fallen the second the hundreds of Sovereign Call Warships started to make their descent. Same goes for Thessia and Palaven, which had one of the worst invasions if I can recall correctly.
@MarioRedfield: Adding more won't really change much, you would need to add enough for Gohan to run out of energy trying to destroy them all. Even then they would need to combine their attacks in order to even dent him, which would more than likely miss as its not exactly a fast attack in regards to dragon ball speed.
I dont see why they would think that given that an entire fleet of Crusiers and select Dreadnought class warships can tear through their Kenetic Barriers and Hulls with repeated shots. and that would be enough to level a continent or so. Against a planet buster, I really dont see the Reapers doing much.
My question is what subset of Reaper was Goku put up against? (Wont make much difference, its mainly just to see how much they know about the Reapers as a whole)
@MarioRedfield: Except you have made the battle on Earth and unless the Reapers have some death wish to active their FTL dirves inside the planet's atmosphere (which would be impossible anyway given that their Element Zero drives are using all the power to generate the mass effect field they need to even remain stable inside the planet), I really dont see this as a problem. Even should the battle move into space, they are unable to attack effectively while moving FTL (if at all) which makes the speedboost rather pointless.
Their "Lasers" are Magnetohydrodynamic guns that eject molten metal at high speeds (a fraction of light speed if I can recall correctly). They do not have the destructive potential nor the speed to harm someone who can stand up to planet destroying energy.
Their durability is impressive inside the Mass Effect verse but i'm certain that someone who can easily destroy the planet itself, not just life on said planet, should have virtually no trouble getting though their Kenetic Barriers and Hull with a single blast.
The Reapers are good, but they are not that good.
Gohan can easily fly out of the Earths atmosphere much faster than the Reapers can, and destroy the planet which would, as a result, destroy their entire fleet right there.
Gohan stomps easily, The Reaper flagships can hit with more force than the Main Guns of a Dreadnought, whos main and secondary guns can hit with the force of 38 kiloton bomb around every 2 seconds.
But that is for naught when they can't actually harm him unless the entire fleet hit him at the same time, couple that with the fact they can't target him anyway due to his speed and they lack the durability to withstand his attacks makes this a very easy win for gohan.
The only way they could win is via Indoctrination, and that process takes far to long to be effective in a battle.
The video is irrelevant when the databook states that it is 10 million light years tall. And sources online will confirm this, simply google "Gurren lagann 10 million light years" and you will find your answer. Any amount of trying to disprove it will not change what has been stated by the creators.
Didn't know we take some poor choices in artwork over the Word of God now.
I take it by your logic of "artwork supersedes offical statements" then anime Pain from Naruto is a shapeshifter and can have the bones in his face shattered and his eyes gouged out because the artwork potrayed this?
Always remeber that his pain is greater than yours.
yet it was scratched and touched by the Anti Spiral , and the crew felt those attacks.
And your point is what exactly? They formed it from Spiral Energy, it emanates Spiral Energy, and it is the physical manifestation of their Spiral Energy
and TTGL is at Galactus level?
If you had read anything that I posted you would not even need to ask this question.
actually the Anti Spiral was winning and the crew were about to die , but someone had to sacrifice himself in order to prevent that plus a good plot .
They stalemated the Infinity Big Bang Storm but could not overcome its power, unless you consider them holding the attack in their hands for a good length of time before it was intercepted by lazengan is not a feat. Lordgenome realised that destroying himself and turning the Infinity big Bang Story into spiral energy would allow the crew to completely overpower Granzeboma. the fact remains that it can output and tank multi-galaxy level attacks. Something which Thanos can't.
and again with the mindraping thing . they didn't do it by themselves , someone helped them .
Someone? You mean Kamina, one of the main characters who is refrenced in almost every episode after his death?
And yeah it's called their subconsious. It showed they have resistance to mind fucking and illusions. To say otherwise is to downplay the feat. Great resistance? Eh, but good resistance none the less.
that's why they were struggling and about to die when they fought the Anti Spiral and if it wasn't for the other robot which tanked the Anti Spiral attack they would have died . so much for unlimited power.
I clearly stated that their power is only as strong as their resolve, the fact that they were shocked by the Granzeboma's Infinity Big Bang Storms energy reading would obviously have lowered their power oiutput, this is even shown in the show when the spiral meter lowers when they block the attack.
Part of the reason the Anti Spirals are so effective are that they revolve around causing dispair in order to lower the spiral energy output of spiral beings. Lordgenome made the sacrifice in order to bring them back to reality. The fact that Lazengann tanked the Infinity Big Bang Storm and then Hijacked the energy is a feat in itself.
Movie wise after it absorbed the energy left by the drill it transformed into the Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Which was a hundred times larger and made of pure energy.
but TTGL is not Galactus and Galactus destroys that robot. and this battle has been done before , TTGL lost.
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? At no point did I say the TTGL is like Galactus. I said that a Galaxy sized drill holding the energy equlivant of a big bang would be enough to break his shields when even a weakened Galactus was doing some heavy damage to him from a single blast.
I have also seen battles where Thanos lost to Dark Schneider and quite bad who was then in turn destroyed by the TTGL. Your point is?
after watching how the crew were struggling and suffering to beat the anti spiral , i must say they are simply humans
Yeah, Humans that can create a galaxy sized mech and drill from willpower alone, have probability altering attacks, can time manipulation, matter manipulation, teleportation etc.
Just look at Lordgenome for example, a human himself a few thousand years old fist fighting the Lagann and ripping it to pieces. I guess he was doped up on experimental steroids and some new immortality drug since he is only human after all and should have died long ago and would be unable to match a machine in combat. Not to mention controling the Lazengann without even moving.
Yeah they might as well be crippled.
the video again is clear , now if people continues believing otherwise ,well it's up to them.
So is the statemant from Gainax
If you have a problem believing Gainax when they stated the size of the mech then take it up with them, because nothing you say in regards to its size will change the fact that it will always be 10 million light years tall. No more, no less.
Distort the dimension as much as you want, that is one value that wont change no matter how much you wish it to.
like if that robot were about to do something to someone who can toy with powerful beings in their own realm.
You do realise that what you just described is exactly what the Gurren Lagann did? They entered a sealed dimension of the Anti Spirals and fought the collective consiousness of the Anti Spiral Race inside their own dimension that they created and sealed in order to purge themselves of spiral power.
Have I missed something where Thanos became so strong that he could teleport into rooms moving a few trillion times the speed of light and can match multi galaxy busting power? You seem to believe that Galactus was at full power when he was hitting Thanos in that scan.
I fully understand that Thanos is strong but I see nothing that can keep him in a prolonged battle with something this powerful and broken. when his only course of action is to either try and teleport inside one of the many cockpits that he somehow knows the location of and can do so with extreme pricision when they move at high speeds, or mind fuck them.
Outside of that he can't match it under his own power. he has no hope of dodging its attacks due to its sheer size without teleoprtation, which they can easily bypass thanks to probability altering missiles or time manipulating lasers that can hit him in the past, present and future.
He lacks the durability to take said attacks and his shields wont hold up for long against a Giga Drill Break or being bypassed completely with a probability altering missile.
He lacks the attacking power to damage the Gurren Lagann beyond their ability to repair it easily.
To say he can beat it any other way is to wank his power to levels far beyond anything he has ever shown.
Show him teleporting into a confined space that is moving a few trillion times the speed of light. I will conceed this point. And by confined I mean confined, he is going to have to teleport into Lagann to kill Simon and Nia.
Show him affecting someone with a mindfucking ability from across a few galaxies. I will conceed this point.
If you cant show me either then its clear that Gurren Lagann has more than enough raw power to win.
I guess this will be my last post now, As I see no point to debate with someone who despite correcting and having an offical source disprove to back me up. Still believes and goes so far as to try and say the the databook is wrong that what he say's holds more wind that what the creators of the show say simply based on a image of the Earth.
Always rememeber that no matter how large that Earth may appear, Nagato's pain is much greater than yours
This is just going to go downhill if we continue. Im ending it here, if you have anything relevant to say to my post pm me otherwise I wont be replying. (Why do people insist on replying anyway despite me saying this, I clearly say to pm me..)
@Kurohige: At first i thought it was just me only seeing the bad side of the battle forum so to speak, but after looking down a few pages I do notice that a large number of battles have characters from the Comic genre.
I agree with you that one reason can be due to the fact that most people would only see the mainstream anime and not really look further to see what else is out there. I was like this myself when I first started watching anime, but its surprising how much your tastes can change when you try out different styles.
It would also be due to the fact that trying to match 2 characters in an even fight from anime verses is very tough as the power levels between anime vary at extreme levels. Jojo's for example has very broken abilities so its hard to find them a good fight that would not be a stomp on either side. This is the reason I don't make topics myself.
Speaking of Jojo's anime, I have been meaning to watch it but I can't find a good quality version that is subbed, any recomendations? I was casually reading the manga for it on and off, but the version I had was not the greatest translation in the world so I stopped until I could come across something better.
@ReiKai: So because I don't agree with your views in my opening post of this topic you call mine absurd, and not only mine but in effect Kurohiges too? The internet has become a horrible place of hate I guess. It was not even directed at you anyway.
SilverGalford questioned the size I corrected him. It was also stated in the databook that it can infact exist in the physical universe.
I am fully aware of what the TTGL can do, and the fact that Lordgenome decided to block and absorb the attack means very little, given that Lazengan is part of the TTGL and they were stalmating the attack regardless, what the couldn't do was exceed the energy output. He block and converted it to "pave the way" for future spiral beings, giving them enough spiral power to exceed the power of the Granzeboma and overcome it.
Simon himself admits that even after absorbing the infinity Big Bang Storm, they were evolving and their power was growing with it.
Even still they held back the energy equlivant of the big bang for a long period of time before it was converted into spiral energy and absorbed by the main body of the TTGL in order to exceed Granzeboma.
Contrary to what you might believe, you are not the only person to have watched TTGL.
I assume you are refering to something like this when you say he can survive a single attack from Galactus
Yeah, Thanos did do a good job of blocking that attack, abite being heavily damaged and Galactus stating himself that a second attack would have more or less ended Thanos.
I wonder myself what a dirll bigger than the Milky Way would do to him when it's power is many times greater than the energy contained in the Infinity Big Bang Storm?
You make out like I condemed Thanos to death, I said myself that he would put up a fight as Thanos has fought with the best of them, I however believe that he will be unable to defeat something like TTGL as easily as teleporting inside the cockpit and taking out the pilots. Given that he does not know where to cockpit is located in the 10 million light years of mass, the entire thing is created from an energy he has never encountered before that the pilots could easily alter and reshape, and that when it moves its can easily traverse a galaxy in well under a second.
If he can teleport into a room no bigger than the bridge of the starship enterprise, which is moving at speeds well in the trillions of times FTL, and having no way of mapping the TTGL or having no knowledge of where the cockpit is located, that would make his feat of teleportation one of the greatest and luckiest I have seen.
I assume he teleports to energy signatures for a precise teleportation anyway. Might be tough for him to do given that the entire Mech is created from the energy of the pilots
If it was as easy as that the Anti Spiral would have done so the second they materialized the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
Need I remind you that Spiral Power fundamentally breaks the laws of reality (Which is why a Spiral Nemesis occurs) allowing the pilots to alter probability, create matter from nothing, and defy all laws of physics and conservation of energy, not to mention tearing holes in space time, dimensional teleportation such as entering the sealed universe of the Anti Spirals, decent time manipulation, speed which would make the Surfer on his board blush and so on and so forth?
Without a gem or the gauntlet itself he will be in for one hell of a fight, which I can't see him winning in all honesty.
My purpose of joining this thread was to make the correction on the size of the TTGL while adding in my brief views on the fight. I have done so, and I have no intention of taking this any further. Besides these threads with comic characters just turn into shitfests nowadays and I had no intention of taking this thread any further than a few posts.
Could not care less nowadays about debating for Marvel/DC character like I would have done not too long ago. This is for anime and manga, as to why there are so many comic vs anime battles on here is beyond me. Maybe I just get on at bad times...
I was never going to debate with you anyway beyond this post here since you take the fun out of the debating part with the way you act towards others. You don't try to understand the view points of others, you just instantly call them a troll or absurd. Shows how little compassion for others you have, when you can't even wait a few posts before insulting what they say.
@SilverGalford: It was confirmed in the databook that the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 10 million light years tall (100 times the size of the milky way).
Hell it's even stated on the wiki present on this very site. At least do a search for these things before you post about how "100% Sure" you are that everyone else is wrong and only you are correct.
The fact that the Anti Spiral lost to them was due to the fact that it could not evolve to a higher level of power as the Anti Spirals had purged their spiral power in order to circumvent the eventual spiral nemisis. Spiral power throught the series was shown to grow with the persons will to win. Hence why the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is nothing more than the manifestation of pure spiral energy.
As for the mind raping, They escaped from an extradimensonal labyrinth that the Anti Spiral trapped their consiousness inside, which is an infinite series of alternate universes.
As for the unlimited power, its made a point in the series that the stronger the resolve of the chartacter the stronger his/her spiral power is and as a result, the stronger he/she is. This is also the reason the Anti Spirals purged their spiral energy, because they realised that if they continued to grow stronger they would bring about the Spiral Nemesis. Spiral Energy is only as strong as their resolve, and by the end their resolve was strong enough to break free from the sea of dispare which convereted used spiral energy into pressure, alter probability and create a galaxy sized mech from nothing. All in all a good days work, given that they are simply "humans".
As for that thread you posted, Galactus is stronger than TTGL in base so there is nothing stopping him from taking them out quickly before they can grow stronger.
I would say Thanos would likely put up a good fight but he cant compete with something of that size and power without a gem or the IG.
I understand where you are coming from but to say he wins with the utter ease you suggest he does is just wrong.
Since when did Senjutsu Chakra give you precognition? It heightens your reflexes, speed and strength and allows you to sense chakra over long distances. At no point did it give him Haki like precognition.
Kurama's Chakra allows him to sense negitive emotions so that does not serve as precognition either, where did you get the idea from that he can predict an attack before it happens.
If you have a scan of him forseeing an attack before it hits him then by all means post away, because clearly I have missed a chapter.
And Naruto has never shown the ability to "Spam" his Bijuu Dama, It has also never shown Multi-Mountain busting destruction so until it blows up an area of that size it's high end mountain level. I will conceed to this of course if you can show me an image of him spamming said attack with ease.
Im not going to say that Luffy will survive a direct hit from one as I would be lying to myself, but if Naruto, a physically weaker character (Comperable in strength currently) can move and defect Bijuu Dama's with a kick, I see no reason why Luffy, thanks to his Gomu Gomu no Mi, can't replicate this by slingshotting it into the air or off to the side. My only qualm about this tactic is would he be quick enough to act.
The gap in power between these guys is not as large as some people make it out to be, The only thing that Naruto has that put's him ahead of the pack is his Bijuu Dama, without that he goes back to being much weaker overall than the rest of them as Luffy and Ichigo have a much higher level of damage output than him, not to mention being a degree faster and more durable.
I know nothing about Tsuna as KHR never grabbed my attention, but assuming what people say is true my ranking would be
Tsuna -- Ichigo (Post Dangai, he could be lower than this currently but I will keep it like this till we get more information) -- Luffy -- Naruto
The reason I put Luffy ahead of Naruto is simple, the only thing that can put him ahead of Luffy can only be used sparingly (Until shown otherwise) and is only accessable during his 5 minute window, Neither Luffy or Ichigo have such limitations on their power and can consistently output high damage at a very fast pace, once Naruto comes out of his cloak he is getting beat down. With that said the gap between Naruto and Luffy thanks to the Bijuu Dama in this ranking is very small indeed.
What I dont understand is why people casually put Ichigo above Naruto. Everyone says "Luffys not gonna survive a Bijuu Dama", Thats true, he cant but neither can Ichigo. His durability threshold does not exceed High Town - Low City level, so a mountain buster is gonna mess him up too. He is not so fast that he can avoid one either If you are going to rank them according to damage output and durability the do it correctly as neither Luffy nor Ichigo is surviving a Bijuu Dama.
Some will say that ranged strikes will destroy the Bijuu Dama before its fired, yeah thats true. But both Ichigo and Luffy are more than capable of not even allowing Naruto the time or concentration required to form a complex attack that requires an exact 8:2 ratio else it detonates in his face by spamming Gattling/Storm or Getsuga Tensho at Naruto and forcing him to keep moving.
Kage Level Clones? Yeah thats great, but Ichigo and Luffy can easily put them down as they dont have the durability to tank any of their attacks, At a base they are still shadow clones. They are going down from one good hit, which Luffy or Ichigo can do with a punch or sword swing.
And once again if you have scans to prove that Naruto while under heavy continuous fire can form something as complex as a Bijuu Dama then please post them.
As I said before, I know nothing about Tsuna so I can't comment on a victor. I also dont intend to reply to anyone via the thread here as I will be busy for a good few days and I dont plan on bringing back a dead thread so to speak, so if you are going to reply to me do so through a PM and I will get back to you as soon as I can.
@MarioRedfield: Sometimes the scenes blur up (Mostly because of action, nothing to do with censorship) so I just took 2 different fights and got a few screen shots from each. Mind you there are many more fights like these, but they just stick out most in my mind. These should also be about as high a quality as you can find (But dont hold me to this lol), since these are from the blu-ray.
From left to right in the order they appear. (Episodes 3 & 7)
When the guy's face is taken off by a vampire, that is during episode 7 when Seras kills Zorin Blitz. The battle is so bloody that her uniform changes colour from yellow to red.
The first 7 images are from episode 3 when Alucard gets attacked by a SWAT team in the hotel. During the first 2 images he is shot to hell, after that he butchers the SWAT team.
The final image is parts of Zorins head after Seras was grinding it up against the wall. I should have taken the screenshot a second before so it would look better but I only just realised myself.
Sorry if these are a bit too bloody or hardcore for you. They dont appear as bad as Elfen Lied but I attribute that to the appearance of the blood in both shows, and as you can see above Hellsing Ultimate loves to make its blood stand out.