Yusuke52 (Level 15)

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Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Shichibukai Vs 13 Court Guard Squads Captains only

@SMXLR8: Haha No...

Blackbeard can one shot any of the captains one on one thanks to the Gura Gura.

All of them together is more difficult, but assuming Blackbeard and Kuma take out the heavy hitters first, which they are more than able to do they can win after a good hard battle.

Yeah they are outnumbered but bar Yama, Shunsui and Aizen, almost everyone else is just "there", they cant really do anything against Kuma and Blackbeard. Unohana might make up for that but until a few more chapters come out there is no way to tell.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Kazuma Kuwabara VS Toshiro Hitsugaya

Kuwabara loses round 1 and stomps in round 2 and 3.

His speed is equal to that of a bloodlusted Hiei when they were following Sensui through into the Makai, he kept pace with both him and Kurama. In otherwords, faster than anything shown in Bleach.

Speedblitz followed by Jigen To in round 2 and 3.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Off-Topic » I was considering getting a PS3...

The first 2 questions require you to have one of the "fat" models. The one with the best playback of PS2 and PS1 games is the 60GB version which is the one I own, it creates its own PS2 and PS1 "memory card" on the HDD to store those save files.

But unless you are going to buy a used one from ebay (or Amazon), it makes those questions unimportant as the only model(s) still in production has no playback for PS2 and PS1 games.

As for the third question, I cant tell you the difference between the slim versions but I can tell you that 20 dollars more for an extra 70GB is a good enough deal. Unless you are getting added extras with the "Super Slim" bundle then I would just go with the "Slim" bundle.

As for the PS4, there will likely be an offical announcement later on this year as Microsoft is ment to be announcing their new xbox before or around E3. What I can say about the PS4 is that while the online could be free, they are investing into technology that they "MAY" implement into the PS4 which makes playback of "used" (This also covers rentals and lending a game to a friend) games impossible. So no more sharing games between friends and no more buying cheap used games from stores. A move I think is utterly stupid as that will destroy their market entirely.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Naruto Uzuamki vs Fire Lord Ozai

@UltimateHero0406: And a bald 12 year old monk with a curtain for an outfit and arrows for tattoos is not goofy looking? Ozai has been put into a battle with a kid the same age as Aang, he knows what Aang managed to do to him despite his age and lack of training. Naruto will be treated no different in his eyes. (More indepth down below)

And he could have been on the gound but he had more room to let loose in the open air. But this is a different situation.

No its not, in fact the setting makes it more likely that he will take to the air given he is fighting in a forest. Taking to the air will give him more room, you answered your own point right there no need for me to continue on that.

It is not specified so it is assumed that both fighters start on the ground at a good distance from one another.

You're right its not specified, but at what point did I say he stated off in the air? I said that as soon as the fight starts its in his nature to take to the air and send fire everywhere, I at no point changed the rules to make him start in the air.

But I'm not seeing why Ozai would not simply think to waist Naruto in one move instead of going through all the trouble to burn down the area.

Ok lets say he does remain on the ground, his charged blast takes 3 seconds to charge, it has more than enough range to hit naruto even if he decides to run and has the spread to make it next to impossible to dodge. Trained jounin were unable to dodge Madaras wide spread fire jutsu (Not the same but spread and range are similar) I find it unlikely that Naruto back in his "silly" days will be able to trump them.

Naruto on the other hand will resort to his clones almost instantly, as is his nature. That or tighten his headband and the say "believe it!".

2 seconds have pased, now he is either going to run at him, not dash, just run. Or he is going to charge rasengan. At this point Ozai has already charged and fired his attack, Naruto lacks the speed to dodge it at this point and gets hit. While his odds of winning while Ozai is standing on Earth are slightly higher, he sill suffers from his "Take it slow" attitude and it wont make any noticable difference to the outcome. If you want to follow this path I would say Ozai wins 6 out of10 times, with the 4 times being when he gets smart and blitzes him before he can fire off his attack.

The burning down of the area is a side effect of his attack, not his actual goal. The point of firebending is to devastate a wide area, if you want precision you go with lightning or water.

In the series he was destroying the forest to conquere the Earth kingdom and he wanted to kill Aang so he was wanted to use everything he has. Just because the comet is going over doesn't mean that he wants to burn trees for no reason.

You have seen the show right? I only ask because you seem to not understand his motives for attacking the Earth Kingdom the way he did.

He was going to fly over the entire Earth Kingdom and burn it to dust, His focused attack was going to be used by all of the airships and he would go over the nation like the Covenant turning the ground to ash and destroying everything they passed over.

He didnt go there to burn down a forest beside the water and then start a ground invasion he was litteraly going over the nation with the intent of glassing the entire kingdom.

The comet went over and he wanted to burn the WHOLE KINGDOM, that was the point of his invasion. He would turn everything in the Earth Kingdom to ash with the power boost from Sozins Comet.

Honestly, did you not watch the show or something because this was made VERY clear when he pronounced himself Phoenix King Ozai.

His plan was to turn the Earth Kingdom to ash in one day, That gives him a reason to not waste the power that he is not being amped by.

He has no reason to assume Naruto can do anything more than cry for his mommy which leaves him open for a counter attack. And then theres the fact that he has no motive here.

He had no real motive to fight Zuko in an Agni-Kai when he was about 8-9 years old, yet he done so anyway and not only that he gave him a scar. And this was before he became a crazed warlord with a minor god complex thanks to Sozins Comet

Your argument is based on Ozai having some form of compassion to children who he feels are beneath him.

HE HAS NO COMPASSION.

He is a cold hearted son of a bitch who is willing to harm his son for speaking during a council meeting. Not even for fighting him, just for speaking. Not only that he banished him from the fire kingdom after it was done.

He cares little for his own children what makes you think he will hold back against Naruto?

His motive is the same as Naruto's, This is a fight between them, If his son got his face burned off during a normal day from just speaking to him what do you think this psycopath is going to do when he is amped by the power Sozins Comet (Something which changes him mindset completely as he loses what little compassion he had left anyway) giving him some form of a god complex after hearing Naruto scream "Im gonna beat you because im the next Hokage. BELIEVE IT!".

If I was him I would want to burn this mother into ashes too.

He will show no compassion to Naruto given that he knows the 2 of them are fighting since its not a random encounter. To say he will go easy on Naruto because he is a kid who he may think to be weaker is moot when he did not hold back against his own son.

Like I said before on the ground 6-10 in Ozai's Favor

In the air its an almost guarenteed win for Ozai so his only chance is to get smart and blitz from the get go not giving him a chance. A mentality which based on past experience is not in his favor. 7-10 in Ozai's favor in this scenario.

Of course I accept if you want to believe that Naruto wins but I am just putting it out there that Naruto being in character gives Ozai more than a fair chance to actually win this.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Naruto Uzuamki vs Fire Lord Ozai

@UltimateHero0406: The same argument could be made, if he had toyed around at the start of his fight, but he done so when the Avatar resorted to a straight up cheap and defensive move right in his face. Before hand he was going straight for the kill, this much is clear with his outright abuse of Lightning Bending against Aang.

Your character argument would be valid, if Ozai had exhibited these tendencies from the start of his battle. But it was evident from the begining that he was out to kill him, and only when he had cornered the Avatar into a small ball of earth did he begin his taunts. As I said previous his reckless use of lightning compliments this point.

He believed himself stronger than the Avatar and decided to fight him while flying so that argument is moot.

He was burning down the forest because he outright said to his daughter and all of his forces that on the day of Sozins Comet I will burn the Earth Kingdom to the ground.

The reason he went into combat with the Avatar was because of pride, he had been trying to find him for years like all the other Fire Lords before him, its only natural that you would want to fight someone of such power yourself if you had been looking for them for as long as he did. He also engaged him because Aang was the only thing standing between his airships and the mainland, had he left him unchecked Aang could have just destroyed all his airships in a few minutes and put a stop to his invasion long before Sokka, Suki and Toph had the chance to. Aang had damaged his airship so pride and arrogance pushed him into his battle with Aang.

Taking him head on from the ground despite fighting Aang in the air for the majority of his battle? You could say that, if he fought the majority of the battle while actually standing on the ground, expect he prefered to exhibit flying during his battle thanks to the power Sozins Comet gave him. If he prefers to fight in the air, which is what we seen him do predominantly then he will, Its also not like he didnt have the choice to fight him while standing on the ground, it was there and he outright ignored it anyway.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Naruto Uzuamki vs Fire Lord Ozai

@Destinyheroknight: Thats what im saying lol.

Even as a bloodlusted character Naruto would be hard pressed for the win but I would change it to 7 out of 10 in his favor. The 3 times being when Ozai was able to get into the air and rain hell down on him.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Naruto Uzuamki vs Fire Lord Ozai

@UltimateHero0406: The spread and reach of his firebending is not up for question since the second he began his battle with aang he sent out a multi directional attack just by punching the ground. The range and spread of his fire is up to him and saying he wont have the time to form his focused and enhanced fire blast in mid air is more or less saying that Naruto has some way to counter him while he is in the air. Can you tell me how he will hit someone in mid air while in character given that all of his personal attack are based on close quarters combat until late into shuppuden?

As for the charging time I once again ask how Naruto is able to counter someone who can fly? Once he is in the air he can take as much time as needed to form that attack that took all of 3 seconds to charge and has the range, spread and speed to easily catch naruto before he can escape it.

The reason he didn't make a blast of such magnatuide during his battle was because the Avatar was able to effectively keep him on his toes and stop him for focusing thanks to his ranged attacks and air bending. Common knowledge that focus leads to stronger bending. Both of these traits, Naruto lacks at this point in his timeline.

As for the rock shield, Ozai was using simple blasts while taunting him, and when he did get serious with his attacks he turned the shield to dust in an instant and caused his air shield to collapse with it. That attack paled in comparasion to what his focused attacks can do. Iroh was able to superheat his handcuffs with just a breath, im certain that under Sozins comet Ozai is able to do even greater feats. Iroh was able to blast through the walls of Ba Sing Se with a focused blast that took 2-3 seconds for him to charge, and we all know how thick those wall are. Im sure his stronger brother is able to replicate such power.

Like I said can you show me how naruto will be able to counter him when he is 70-80 feet in the air?

Narutos biggest weakness here aside from his in character mentality is that he cant do anything to someone who is airborne and can output attacks that can destroy him. I will say that it will not be an easy battle for Ozai to win, but for people to say Naruto wins instantly is a severe underestimation of what Ozai is able to do.

His attacks have greater range, he has more experience and is not an "idiot" (I use the word loosely as Naruto can be smart when the time calls for it but he acts like a fool in battle for the most part), he has greater firepower, he has flight and he has a more destructive and driven mindset inside combat. These are the qualities that get him the win, people focus too much on the speed aspect of pre time skip Naruto here and forget that he does not utilize his speed in a battle the way he should or could.

If Naruto was bloodlusted you can say he would blitz with a rasengan (I would still say it would be tough for him to pull this off, but the favor would shift into Narutos realm none the less), but he is in character and that gives the advantage to Ozai.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Naruto Uzuamki vs Fire Lord Ozai

Pre Time Skip Sasuke's Fire Jutsu =/= Ozai's Comet enhanced flames. He was incinerating and leveling a country with his flames so his chakra cloak is not going to help him much. Besides I have already covered the likelihood of him getting emotional enough to access his fox mode is highly unlikely as there is no factors present in this fight to warrent such an emotional response from him. (See below for this)

Actually the video makes a fair point in Ozai's favor. When I first looked at this I though that Naruto would stomp, but having stepped back and looked at both of them more in depth, he has more than enough feats to get him a win against a Pre Time Skip Naruto with the help of Sozins Comet.

At best Pre Time Skip Naruto can be called supersonic, no more no less. Naruto's in character mindset will severely inhibit this advantage he has and his overall speed anyway so this does not matter much.

Firepower wise, Ozai is multi block busting under the comet, Naruto needs clones to boost his power but on his own he should be large building level with his rasengan. But its not really important based on the next stat.

Durability wise, neither of them can tank the others attacks so this is a non factor.

Range of attacks, Ozai wins this hand down.

What Ozai can do that Naruto has no way to counter in his Pre Time Skip form is flight. You could say clones can counter that but anyone with half a brain knows that his clones were only good for one thing back then and thats distractions, they might as well have been made of paper for all the durability they had. And for them to be viable as a distraction at all is dependant on the opponent not having any large scale AoE attacks, Ozai has the AoE attacks needed to take them out from a height or on the ground so they won't work.

Now you say he will go fox mode and own him. What people forget here is that he is in character and the only way he is going to be able to enter that mode is to become so angry that he can't control himself anymore. Unfortunately for this argument, there is nothing present in this battle that could make him angry enough. What you might say now is that "if Naruto is losing he will be angry." Well that is not true at all, he never gets so emotional from just a loss that could make him weaken his seal, so that wont fly with me.

Also in character Naruto does not outright dash towards his opponents as fast as his power allows him to, he generally starts off his battles by summoning his clones or saying some "witty" catchphrase or just being a general dumbass. Something which takes just enough time for Ozai to go into the air. Naruto gets his act together the longer the fight goes on, something Ozai can capitalize on since he gets straight to business from the get go.

As for the KO parameter, that is something Ozai can do with lightning. Causing fires and explosions over the forest will knock Naruto around quite a bit to rough him up enough for a direct hit from his lightning.

The scope, power and range of Ozai's attacks are too great for Pre Time Skip Naruto to deal with and counter.

With all this said, Ozai can win with mid (Possible High) difficulty. He should win 7 times out of 10 if I was to give it a numerical value. the other 3 times is when naruto actually starts off with his brain at 100% productivity and decides that a blitz is a good thing to start with. Even should that moment arise it would need to be a rasengan to put him down as Ozai is more than able to take a few of his punches without too much trouble.

Essentially he would need to blitz him with a rasengan to win this, something which his In Character mindset would be working against.

You equal speed on this and Naruto is getting cooked every time.

Of course this is with Sozins comet, without he would lose by default as he has next to no feats without it.

As for the melting rocks part of Sasuke's Fire Jutsu, Ozai was for lack of a better word, glassing a continent with a few members of his army with enough range to cover a few city blocks at a time and with enough heat to melt metal and break down 5-6 meter thick walls. Like I said before

Sasuke's Fireball Jutsu =/= Ozai's comet enhanced flames.

An in character naruto will not blitz with a rasengan from the start of this battle, because

A. he never utilizes his speed to its fullest during a battle let alone at the start of one.

And B. he takes his sweet time form a rasengan.

If you have scans that disprove this then by all means post them. It would have to be at the start of a battle and must be consistent over the majority of his battles for it to warrent as "in character". If you cant do this then tell me again how Naruto can win against a guy who can fly?

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Yusuke vs. Inuyasha vs. Ichigo vs. Naruto

@Fehafare said:

Yusuke rapes this thread casually. Then Naruto, then Ichigo and on the last place Inuyasha.

This right here.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » YYH Elemental team VS Team Avatar

@SMXLR8:You want them to fight 4 vs 1, with limits on their power?

Seem rather unfair, you should not limit people that much just to try and make a fight even. The best way to make this fair is to use the Dark Tournament version of these guys as only 2 people here who could have a somewhat fair fight against them is Zeru and Risho.

If you use the DT guys, equalise speed, and restrict the Avatar state then you could have much better fight, but then we run into the problem of all the advantages you are giving them such as Sozins Comet and the Full moon. If you keep all the limits and remove all the advantages each team has then in a much more even fight, but in the end I see the YYH crew winning since they have better attacking methods and all round better fighting skills, not to mention durability which would allow them to tank their attacks without too many problems. They only problems they could have are with Iroh (I would say Bumi but I never found him all that impressive when stood next to Iroh) since he is likely the strongest person here even without Sozins Comet.

The Aatar verse can dish out more powerful attacks than they can take, unfortunately for them these guys can take most of the attacks they dish out.

The second you hit B class demons the Avatar verse is going to have some problems. Anything higher than that and they can't hope to even stop the destruction that will follow in the demons wake.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks SSJ4 verses Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

@GIRUGAMESH: @MarioRedfield: They would never endanger a world of people just to get in the attack, assuming they are not Anti-Spirals or the enemy. But it's not like that matters when they can fire lasers with such power and precision that they were able to wipe out the Ashtanga warships who were jumping back and forward in time to try and avoid them with a single shot each, going through time and bypassing their probability altering shields which turns all attacks that hit it to 0%.

Besides this is "In Space", which given the TTGLs size must be a nice big open void of nothing. I don't think either side will have to worry about taking out planets or galaxies.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » YYH Elemental team VS Team Avatar

@SMXLR8: Their aura alone will be enough to fry everyone on the Avatar team, not to mention cause the island to collapse under their feet.

While true they wont kill them right off the bat (IC Jin anyway, can't speak for Toya as I can't remember his mindset), you also forget that Aang the strongest person on the team won't try to kill them full stop. What can anyone on team Avatar do to take out people who can take and dish out city-mountain level punches and attacks. This is a mismatch, they are hundreds of times faster not to mention many times stronger and many times more durable, and while they many not go straight into mountain busters to say it will not be easy for them to finish this is like saying a Toyota Prius has a chance against an M1A1 Abrams tank in an "how thick is your armor?" contest. A single held back punch from either of them will completely cave in their ribcage and break every bone in that area, never mind about the internal damage of that punch such as the broken bones cutting through every organ in that area. At that point what can they even do to stand up let alone fight back?

A single low ranked S class demon is able to run through the whole Avatar verse on his own with no trouble, 2 middle S class demons should breeze through this with no effort.

Blood bending won't change anything since through sheer strength and will alone Amon was able to break his brothers hold on him, I'm certain 2 S class demons can break blood bending just by breathing.

Lightning would open them up even more than they would already be so that will be pointless not to mention a wasted attack since it won't do anything.

Their attacks don't pack anywhere near enough power to make these guys care.

You can draw out the match as much as you wish, but a single attack from either of them is enough to put them all down. That does not make this hard for them, it just means this match will go on far longer than it actually needs to since they could end it in 2-3 seconds if they were serious about it.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » YYH Elemental team VS Team Avatar

2 middle S ranked demons at their strongest against this team? The Avatar verse is not exactly equipped to be fighting demons this highly ranked. EoS Jin or Toya should able to solo the whole verse never mind the team but anyway.

They get blitzed by Jin or Toya. Equalizing speed won't do much since given their rank they should be at least around mountain level so a casual attack in their direction should be more than enough to take them all out before they have the time to counter, not that they could really do anything to hurt them anyway.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Destructor asura vs. Gogeta super saiyan 4

trillions of times faster than light and multi universe buster so he might win this, i just want your opinions.

Yeah, no.

Asura should win if what I am told about his power is correct.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

thanks for the anti spiral system which you think can help this case, but anyway , when Anti Spiral was destroyed along with Simon's Mecha , i guess that spiral recognition system dissapeared . so now again how come humans were able to see them with the naked eye again the explosion after The Anti Spiral was destroyed lights of years in the distance along with its powers and that recognition? , the explosion and the head had the spiral recognition too?

You guess? Not a good start but what you are asuming is that Granzeboma is the Recognition System which would be wrong, the recognition system is little more than their minds or imaginations bringing things into existence, something that could only be done in Super Spiral Space (An Area that has copious amounts of spiral energy contained within). As long as the Anti Spiral Dimension remained active, it would continue to work until it collapsed.

Which is exactly what it did do, making your argument moot.

with "unlimited power which can do everything " they should have tanked that attack and returned it back to the Anti Spiral on their OWN ,beat the hell out of the Anti Spiral on their OWN. that "it's getting dangerous" comment shouldn't have been stated in the frist place. they tanked it but they were about to die at the same time. what is the use of tanking something if it will kill you anyway?. if you have "unlimited power" you can beat anything but if something is about to destroy you that so called unlimited power is more like a bluffing , that's really simple and your simple mind cannot understand.

Why do you keep using quote marks when you say "Unlimited power", We said clearly that it is tied DIRECTLY to their resolve and willpower, which means that its only going to go down if they lose the will to fight. When they took the attack their resolve was dropping and in effect their power, when Lordgenome sacrificed himself to convert the energy their resolve strengthened and then managed to kill the guy who had been slapping them around for quite a while with little more than Simon and Nia falling into the planet inside a broken Lagann.

Not only did they match the Anti Spiral's power at they end, they exceeded it inside Lagann.

what is the use of tanking something if it will kill you anyway?

Really? Nice defeatist attitude you have have there.

By that logic Whitebeard should not have bothered to tank Akainus attack and should have just killed himself since he knew he was going to die anyway. He took the attacks because he was trying to buy everyone else time, he took the attack because he knew himself that if he died there and then, very few of his pirates would get out alive, he tanked the attack because he thought it was the best thing to do despite the damage that he was about to take.

TTGL tanked it because, despite knowing that they would likely not hold out for long against the attack, its better to try than not at all. They tanked the attack in the hopes of winning the battle and not just giving up at the first sign of opposition.

Hell the point of the show is to overcome impossible odds and stand in the face of danger as say "Fuck you!".

Have you never tried in life when something got a little bit difficult just because you wanted to see it through, regardless of the outcome? You must lead a very slow and boring life if you have never taken a chance that might backfire on you, Because I sure most people have.

Are you saying that if someone pointed a gun at you and your family you would not even try to take the gun from him for fear of dying? I say screw that, because the way I look at that you have 2 options, Either stand there and do nothing and die, or try to take the gun off him and possibly save everyone.

Sure you might die in the process, but I would rather go out fighting than not at all.

I know which one im gonna pick, what about you?

At the end of they day they took the attack for long time, making them subject to a direct energy blast equal to a big bang.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Naruto » Need help finding Naruto manga chapter...

Guy vs Kisame (Second Fight) on Turtle Island happened in Chapter 506. His death happened in Chapter 508.

If you have read nothing after these events, I would just start off at Chapter 506 and begin from there. Given its the last thing you can remember, it would be best to pick things up from that point.

Its currently on Chapter 611, just so you can get the scale of what you need to catch up on.

Edit: @Destinyheroknight: You beat me to it haha.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford: Your logic is beyond stupid.

Since Laggan is not Million years sized plus the fact that Thanos can see people no matter where they are

Million years sized? Yeah you are right, its not a million years sized because a year is a unit of time not measurement or distance.

So Thanos has eyesight that apparently is a no limits fallacy now? Can you show proof of him knowing where everyone in every universe is all at once then?

Human Torch's will power couldn't help him.

For will power to be any use to anyone you need to have something to manifest it as a tangible force or energy, That is what spiral power is for. You do understand this fact dont you?

yes i can understand , but the crew was first AFFECTED

Yep, can you show them being affected in the same way when they transformed into the TTGL? Given that it was so easy for the Anti Spiral to enter the cockpit beforehand and because you somehow think they did not increase in power or size at all despite everything saying different. Why may I ask you did he not just do so again and then kill them while they were trapped?

yet what i watched on the video was a planet sized robot.

Ignorance truly is bliss I guess.

To think that I actually had to go throw each episode just to get these for a guy who thinks he know more than people who have actually sat down and watched the show...

Here we see the Choginga Daigurren compaired to the moon, as you can see its the same size, likely larger in all honesty. Just a fun fact for you here they destroyed the moon to get this and yet you yourself can see the moon, so there you have meer humans manufacturing another moon and launching it into space and getting it back into obit around the earth again.

Here we see the Choginga Daigurren when compaired to the Ashtanga warships, slightly smaller than their nose. Remember now that this is a moons sized mech.

This here is just after they created the much larger Choginga Daigurren (Humanoid), this is evident when during the transformation sequence you can see it expanding to a few times its size.

Here it is. and as you can see its much larger now than before standing well over half of its face, as you can see the Ashtanga warships are much larger than our planet based on this alone.

Here are the Ashtanga picking up planets similar in size and to the Choginga Daigurren not moments after the above screen cap.

Snuggly fitting its hard round said planet showing off a nice atmosphere there and some land and water to boot.

Here they are throwing 10-20 planets at them casually,

Would you look at that, now its even larger than the planets it was similar in size to not moments ago. Given that it has now dwarfed said planets its now casually much larger than our planet bassed on this latest scan.

Ah yes here its stated that they can shoot randomly and still hit the Ashtanga warships that have now activated their Shrodinger effect and are just warping through time, or to put it simply they have a psudo omnipresence currently.

Here is them firing off to every point in recent time to destroy the hundreds strong fleet of Ashtanga warships.

here is said explosions that followed after their beams entered through dimensional portals they opened so as to manipulate the time period they would hit in. Also note that these attacks increase the probability of them actually hitting the target to 100%, ergo there is way to dodge them once they are fired.

Just a fun note to add in, its currently expelling the energy of a galaxy in its engines. Hmm I wonder what they will do with all that energy?

The resulting explosion of an Ashtanga warship when it was destroyed by a Giga Drill Break that was almost twice as long as its body. They were at the center of said explosion.

Ah, found this rather funny, you talk about how Thanos can see EVERYTHING EVER!!! Well here is a fun little scene of simon just casually looking a few galaxys from him and seeing Nia. Similar to VERY long range clairvoyance.

See above.

Here is the anti spiral stating that an intelligent lifeform couldn't escape from the Labyrinth. Shows how strong their determination and will to win is when despite being a highly intelligent bunch of people they could still break out if it without too much effort on their part.

Here is Gurren Lagann fitting into the head of the Arc Gurren Lagann.

here is Arc Gurren Lagann fitting into the head of Choginga Daigurren (The one that was much larger than our planet).

Here they are again nice and cosy inside this planet here, given the size of the mech inside, its a few times larger than our Earth.

Here is it among a cluster of other planets in this galaxy. As you can see here no other Galaxy is visable, which can only mean we are seeing everything inside this galaxy currently and not much more.

Here is it completely invisable to the naked eye now, and all we can see is another cluster of planets I count between 25-30 in this rather small cluster. Note again that no other galaxy is visable currently.

And here we come at last, the galaxy that houses Nia and by extention the Choginga Daigurren, no clusters are visable anymore, and we can clearly see all other galaxies now. Everything points towards this being the size it is potrayed to be. But of course your bullshit knows no bounds and you will likely try to find some kind of reason to make it appear smaller than our planet. Despite me just about to prove it is MUCH MUCH larger.

And here we are at last, the mech that walks on a Galaxy, many many many millions of times larger than the planet that it was contained in not 10 seconds ago. You doubt its size? I think the subs say what we and they are all thinking when you believe its smaller than a planet.

Here is the explosive clash between the two of them, as you can see its many times larger than their own bodies and completely covers the distance of the galaxy from end to end.

Galaxies like shurikens, these Galaxies were the exact same size as the TTGL itself before it dodged them.

This is them freefalling through a few galaxies, kinda like they do this as a past time. Nothing special in regards to their power.

Here is the most likely reason the battle can be seen from Earth. This is also the most reasonable assumption the battle can be seen all over the galaxy too. Why do i say this, because the spiral recognition system gives thought form, at this point they want everyone to see the battle, ergo the Recognition System makes this possible and broadcasts it to very planet in the Galaxy, this is despite the only possible view point for this battle would be from Earth.

This is also a good point in favor of my last argument, the TTGL is clearly with its back to Earth based on where it entered into the dimension of the Anti Spirals, yet here the entire planet can see its face and Granzeboma has his back to the planet instead. They did not change places of course, and despite the dimensional rip is no larger than the moon overall inside our universe, there is no possible way other than what I described for them to be able to see this battle unfold on such a large scale across the sky.

Here is the Infinity Big Bang Storm, which contains the "energy capable of creating universes!"

Or in your terms, Its more or less like a big bang.

Here is them going to grab it. Something which according to you didnt happen, because apparently by your rendition of these events Lordgenome was the one to block the attack.

Thats it hitting them, as you can see they still have their back to the portal and the attack is many times larger than the Galaxy they now stand on, so large in fact that they are little more than specks in this image.

We are exactly 22 seconds into the attack now, from the point of it hitting them of course. Here she says "Its Getting Dangerous", for your simple mind that means that they have tanked the attack and that its starting to take its toll on them. From the moment the attack hit them to the moment Lordgenome stepped in to convert the energy, a total elapsed time of 1:06. During this time they were subject to the energy of the creation of the universe. If thats not tanking an attack then I might just kill myself for dealing with someone so silly to think such things.

Remember them having their back to the portal, well here is all the people in the city looking at the fight once more except this time the TTGL is facing away from them and yet as you can see, wind is blowing towards the apparent genesis of the battle, this could only mean that the city is on the other side of the planet where the incredible energy blast would cause the winds to blow one way around the planet giving this effect right here. This further reinforces my point about it being broadcast by Spiral Recognition, and not simply through the looking glass in the sky.

Here is the TTGL with a drill that just broke in its attack.

here it is having repaired the drill easily, they do this 10-20 times over the course of a few seconds, but its so blurred it makes me screen capping it pointless.

Ah I added this for comedic value, if we go by your logic, the drill from the TTGL is right beside Simons eye. Looks painful, this should teach you not to dismiss somthing based on the artwork when everything (Statments, images and numerous sources) is in favor of it.

This is them more or less fistbumping each other, and this explosion is a few times larger than them again.

Here they are at the center of the Galaxy that just exploded into many colours and then finally blew up. Note that at this point TTGL was broken down to its basic Gunmen.

Here is the large eplosion they were just at the heart of, viewed from Earth. I can easily show it in the same few seconds after the above image but I find this one much nicer.

And here we come at last to the end of this spanking, planets throughout the galaxy saw the battle and are now calling in with the phrase that pays. Just to further reinforce the point of Spiral Recognition.

To think that I would have to post so many images just to prove to someone as stubborn as yourself that the Size is as stated and that its power is as stated and that its speed is as stated and that everything that has been said up until this point about the TTGL has infact been true.

Of course you will still fine some way to try and argue back against me, if you chose to. I would ask for 4 things.

1. Show Thanos reacting to and teleporting at speeds that allowed the TTGL to cross 7-8 milky way sized galaxies in around a second

2. Show him mindraping someone 10 million light years from his current location.

3. Show him tanking a galaxy destroying blast. And then, Show me him tanking one that can destroy multiple galaxies.

4. Show him outputting enough energy to destroy multiple galaxies.

As I and other has said up until this point, no amount of no limit fallicys you apply to Thanos will stop him from eating a Giga Drill Break to his face before he even realises that all he can see of his opponet is a giant mass of metal that could only be a foot. he will be dead long before he has the chance to teleport into an object he has no way of knowing the interior structure.

say that to the creator who did a bad job at creating galaxies.

Do me a favor here. Since you claim to know more about artwork than people who are paid to do it for a living, you go ahead there and draw me a galaxy sized galaxy. You make it out to be so easy well go ahead and prove us all wrong big man. I call you out on this one.

Hope you enjoy the scans, not like you will appreciate them anyway since you will continue to spout more BS regardless. I have done more in favor of my agrument (Information, scans, personal knowledge on the series) than you have for Thanos.

Lol I ask you for these scans when I know full well you wont deliever them to me. This debate ended with your ignorance.

Needless to say I enjoyed this. Im offically out now, said everything that needed to be said, took screen caps for everthing that needed to be shown, and have contributed more than enough proof to show why the TTGL wins this battle. But anyway, I have some papers to write.

I would tell you to send me the scans I asked for via PM but for some reason you are so ignorant that you can't even do this simple task.

Enjoy.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford: I dont know why you keep name dropping Galactus. Had Galactus been at even half his strength fighting Thanos, he would have obliterated him.

He didn't create a reality, he created an series of infinite universes using their own intelligence to fuel them, and then trapped their conscious minds inside said universes and cut them off from each other.

The Anti Spiral stated himself that as long as they have their intelligence they can't escape. To say that gives them no resistance of any form against mind invasion is false. Repeated attempts would likely work but the initial attempt would most likely fail.

I understand that Thanos has powerful telepathy, but the fact that there are 12 pilots in the entire Mech, each seperated from each other by a few million light years and in the case of Simon, inside Lagann itself (An area too small for Thanos to teleport inside), not to mention that once he teleports inside the structure he is susceptable to the effects of the Super Spiral Space it generates to keep itself stable in a physical universe.

Short version, he has teleported into an area that gives their thoughts form.

The point of Spiral Space, which is where the Granzeboma and TTGL fought, is to give their thoughts and dreams form. This can be seen when Lordgenome creates himself a body and rebuilds Lazengan from just a head, which also made it much bigger than its previous form. It is also seen when they transform a planet sized mech (SGGL) into the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann out of nothing but spiral energy. (Will return to this soon)

Inside this space they are rather powerful reality warpers, an interview with the creators explained that it can exist in the physical universe because it generates its own Super Spiral Space to exist in.

To say he is going to casually take out every pilot inside the mech by teleporting into each individual cockpit and mind fucking them before they can just will him back outside of it or throw him back in time a few minutes and hit him with a galaxy sized Giga Drill Break and still get up and continue is an overestimation of his power.

I will say that Thanos has very impressive regeneration but he is not tanking a multi galaxy sized drill of pure energy to his body and be able to effectively renerate from that.

As for its size, are you really in doubt when they took over the moon by destroying all Mugann with a city sized mech, tore through dimensions to break into a space that was sealed off by people many times more powerful than them, proceeded to break out of an ocean in space that converts any and all spiral energy it absorbs into pressure, tank actual planets being thrown at them, firing off anti-probability missiles that have a 100% chance to bypass defences and hit the target, firing off more shots into the past present and future in order to get around the Ashtanga Warships Shrodinger Effect, breaking out of a very elaborate telepathic maze they were placed in, summoning every mech to their location from nothing at all, creating a Mech larger than the Galaxy they were standing in from pure spiral energy, proceeding to throw galaxies around like shurikens, creating explosions larger than their size, stalemating the energy equlivant of the big bang, absorbing said energy to make them even more powerful, creating a drill larger than its body, continually creating more drills as each one broke, opening up one by one like matryoshka dolls until Lagann who is more or less still empowered from everything else kills the Anti Spiral King with a Lagann Impact thus ending the spiral war, after which they teleport back into real space where they can now breath without the need of a suit.

Given the absurdity of the series, and backed by the comment from the databook its rather hard to not believe they were galaxy sized by the end. Had the Earth not been visable, what case could be made that they were not a similar size to our own galaxies? It even goes to great length to prove their size when it zooms out of the planet Nia was held captive in, to show more planets, then it zooms out more to show even more, then it zooms out fully to show the galaxy itself.

For you to continually deny this is ignorant, its clearly as large as they are trying to portray it, but because of some poor choice in art design and story you will chastise them by saying they cant draw properly. Its horrible that you think like this. They went to great lengths to make it as absurd as possible, they went to great lengths to draw and colour each galaxy you see, they went to great lengths to show Granzeboma creating the big bang equlivant from 2 galaxies, they went to great lengths to describe the many various powers and effects they we showing.

For people to say that he can casually take down the TTGL faster than breathing, are tremendosuly overestimating his power.

He has never fought something that moves at the speeds it does and will hit him continually with the destructive power that it will.

I would like to think we agree when I say, Thanos can't match its destructive output nor its speed nor durability.

Which leaves a mindfuck as his only option to win.

Could this give him a win? Sure it could, hes powerful enough that they will sucumb to his telepathy eventually (How ever long this may take I will not get into), will he get his win easily by attempting this? Not a chance in hell.

The only way I can describe this is that Thanos has to exert himself much more than they have to to pull off a win. A single attack can reduce him to dust, whereas he must teleport inside an area they control down to the atom , and mindfuck each pilot one at a time before he is ejected by force and takes a drill to his body.

I hate to say this but you use horrible analogies to try and back up your statements, like using the Beyonder to prove the size of a galaxy and how big does not always mean powerful.

The latter is true, but when it shows them exhibiting said power frequently during their battle, then yes, in this case size does mean power.

As for the Beyonder, even you should know this was a horrible example, you might as well have used The One Above All in human form, given that the Beyonder could easily make himself as large as he wanted back before his retcon.

If this is going to continue, we cant constantly go back and forth like we have done.

Read through what I have posted, try to understand things as I see them. When you do, you will see what I mean. I have read what you have to say, I have taken my time trying to get myself into your mindset to understand things from your point of view. But the problem is that you dismiss aspects of the TTGL and continue to rant on about the same stuff without trying to understand what was said.

I dont want this to turn ugly for either of us and we end up not liking each other very much. Lets have a civilized discussion, you read through this carefully (I realise its alot of information, take your time with this i'm in no rush) try to see things in from my point of view and dont just dismiss them outright. I will do the same to yours.

If you have any evidence that can disprove any of what I have said then by all means post it. But I beg you to not continue with how you have been so far, if we can reach a mutual understanding then this is optimal.

(Likely many spelling mistakes here, just too much text for me to check through it and get all of them.)

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford:

Virology, not Biology.

Video is blocked in my country due to copyright grounds. Not to worry I watched the actual episode from the moment they were traped inside the maze.

Despite this you never answered my question, you said that someone helped them. I asked you to name which living person this was and you still have yet to do so.

he was.

This is not an answer, it's a lack of knowledge.

Given that you have decided to change your answer to 2 living persons, if you could name both of them now that would be great. I will be careful not to use any names apart from Simons in this next part just incase.

By little green crystal, I assume you mean the engagement ring, something they showed at the start of season 2 along with a little side plot of Simon's proposal to her, something which would be hard to forget given the importance of the scene it was used in and the shortness of the show itself? The only purpose that served was to bring them straight to said womans location, the ring holds no more signifance than a standard engagement ring, the gem itself is something simon found while digging through dirt in episode 11 (Simply a plot point to further his relationship with said woman), most likely an emerald based on the appearance. They were starting to break out already it just made everything alot easier breaking out at said womans location and bringing the entire SGGL to her location aswell so they could transform into the TTGL.

Said woman was simply a shortcut out of the dimension they were trapped in. Nothing more nothing less as far as this feat is concerned.

Post by Yusuke52 (438 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Thanos vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

@SilverGalford:

besides how many times should i have to remind you that they didn't do it by THEMSELVES?

despite the fact they didn't do it by themselves which is something you are ommiting

Give me the first name the living person who helped them break free of the illusion.

biologist expert

Its called Virology or a Virologist, not a biologist expert. That's not even a real thing.

I should clarify as I can see you making another mistake based on that last statment. You don't define a Biologist (Or any other job title for that matter) with terms like novice, expert, or master. This is because he/she has been highly educated in the field of biology.

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