Yusuke52 (Level 14)

@ReiKai: Thats funny because the definition is quite different to what you think it is.

You see if you had any brains about you at all you would know someone who is trained to use swords is called a "Trained Swordsman" and then they can ascend through the various ranks (Expert, master etc). Dark Schneider is a "Swordsman" not a "Trained Swordsman" or a "Master Swordsman" just a regular "Swordsman" like anyone else who can use a blade.

You see what I dont understand is how you cannot seem to comprehend the definition we have given you. It is very definitive in that it is a definition of a "swordsman" from a highly regarded institute of the english language. Thats what you wanted in the first place and that is what i gave you by definition. Dark Schneider has access to a sword that he can use in battle that makes him just as much a swordsman as anyone else. Deny it till the earth burns up I dont care much for your views, unless you can refute the Oxford Dictionarys definition I can keep on posting this same stuff over again and still have the higher ground because, put quite simply, no matter what you say he is by definition a "Swordsman" as well as a "Wizard", he would just rather use magic than swords.

Is he trained to use them with great skill? No

Can he use them with a degree of skill in a fight?To some degree yes, more than enough to get by on anyway.

He is Classed as a Wizard because that is his PREFERED fighting style and the style he accels in the most, it still wont change the fact that he can use a sword if he wishes.

You can keep saying im wrong but I have the backing of Oxford behind me in regards to his status as a "Swordsman". Unless you can dispute that definition they gave then by all rights Dark Schneider can defeat D under your specified rules laid out in the First post and not much you say is going to change that in the slightest.

So let me know when you email Oxford and get them to change the definition and then, and only then, I can dismiss my claim, until then DS is the first one who beats him.

Now I am still waiting to hear what character you think can beat D. Since we have been asking for a long time and we have yet to recieve an answer from you so If you dont mind, in your next post you can bash me some more but please add in a character that you think could beat D.

At least that way we know you are not purposefully wanking him into oblivion.

Unless you are in which case.

Fail.

Just for clarity once again because you cant seem to read all to well.

Swordsman

Noun: A man who fights with a sword (typically with his level of skill specified): "an expert swordsman". (Or Trained Swordsman for that matter)

@ReiKai:

Swordsman: Someone who uses or is skilled with a sword.

Dark Schneider uses a Sword (Not often but he can still use it if he wishes)

He is also skilled enough with it to give problems to other swordfighters in fiction, not nessarily in his verse but in others.

By that definition fron the Oxford Dictionary written in the English Language that you seem to disregard He is a swordsman. Much like you since you own a sword, and much like me since I also own one too. (Three if we are being technical, and one combat knife) And much like the other that have been brought up during the fight.

We are both capable of killing someone with it and using it with a degree of skill, besides the fact that I personally have never been taught or have taught myself to wield one. That makes us swordsmen in the rest of the worlds eyes. You can keep denying that till the earth burns, it still wont make you right.

Do you not agree with the English definition of swordsman?

And I have looked through the whole thread and I have yet to see one reference to a character from you that can beat D.

Besides it cant harm you too much to type his/her/its name in once more in place of your "Hes not a swordsman" speech

If you cant think of one then what point does this thread have, other than for you to wank D in?

Just for clarity I shall post it again, Since I would like a proper answer and I am sure Dream would too.

All right genius! Since you've been gloating for three pages now over D and you haven't budged with other folks over their characters having a shot, how about you come up with anime/ manga swordsmen in your mind that you think could fare against D?

Well for one he didnt cut himself with the blade while he was using it, and was swinging it around half decent.

Two. He could have just used his fists instead but he opted for a blade meaning he had a bit of confidence in his skill with one

and three. you still didnt answer the last question me and Dream posed.

All right genius! Since you've been gloating for three pages now over D and you haven't budged with other folks over their characters having a shot, how about you come up with anime/ manga swordsmen in your mind that you think could fare against D?

@ReiKai: DS has ENOUGH skill with a sword to warrent the classification of "Swordsman" Which is what you wanted. Or have you forgotten your own rules already?

You must also be going against the definition of Swordsman in the Oxford Dictionary too since DS fits into that definition but you disregard this consistently.

And Dream has a point I would also like an answer from you in regards to this.

All right genius! Since you've been gloating for three pages now over D and you haven't budged with other folks over their characters having a shot, how about you come up with anime/ manga swordsmen in your mind that you think could fare against D?

@Dream: I was thinking that myself...

Oh and would you look at that, the definition of swordsman on the website is the same as the one in my oxford dictionary. Who seen that coming?

Thank you for that lovely link Dream, it sheds some light on this foreign concept that is "Swordsman".

I guess Dark Schneider wins for me then. Whos up next?

Unless he is going to argue against the English Language and claim that it is also wrong when it comes to swordsmen/woman?

Because I would love to see that.

I can quoat the Oxford English Dictionary for the definitation of Swordsman if you wish? Because most people who wield a sword with a degree of skill are classed as swordsmen and Darsh is no exception to this since he can wield it with a decent bit of skill.

Yes first and foremost he is classed as a wizard but he can still use Efreet with skill in conjunction with his magic to finish off D with little effort.

It seems that unless they use a sword exclussively then you just dismiss the character, In which case what is the point if this thread? D is a very skilled swordsman so very few exclussive swordsmen would have a chance against him (none that I know of anyway) so it only makes sence that you pick a slightly less skilled swordsman who is more powerful in other areas to match D.

I am still abiding by the rules by giving you a swordsman, so you can't dismiss him that easily

It doesn't matter if he does not rely on his sword in fights, you asked for a swordsman, someone who can wield a blade in battle and thats what I gave you. If you have a problem with that then this just seems very one sided.

A swordsman is someone who weilds a sword with a degree of proficiency, in which case anyone who is skilled with a sword could fight against him.

So I am going to say Dark Schneider since he is a very skilled swordsman with Efreet, not to mention his powerful magic as a backup and his eternal atoms (he should not need his regen with the atoms, but thats under the assumption that D can even break through Dispell Bound to begin with).

He would need to bite hard if he is going to eat kratos.

Besides I think Kratos is hazardous to your health if ingested lol

@Nerx: Chronos ate him and he just cut his way out lol

A bit graphic if you're not into that kind of thing, so watch with discretion.

@Nerx: Kratos managed to stop the Titan Chronos from crushing him between his fingers, and fights with giant creatures on a regular basis so I would think that it is very high.

With that being said, I would say Kratos loses since Toriko is faster and has better destructive feats.

But Kratos could kill him if he had an opening with the Blade of Olympus. But I cant see that happening.

@taichokage:Did Tsunade not confirm that Naruto destroyed his hand and Kakuzu on a cellular level when she had a look at his arm, and when she done the autopsy on his body?

But considering the size he can amp it to I think that point was left out to dry quite a long time ago lol.

But anyway as myself and Taichokage said, For him to destroy a kido of such magnatude by nothing more than waving his hand is a massive feat, and shows just how powerful he is.

@YouFinished: When it sealed over Ichigo it was more than likely distorting everything within its confines, or he would not have brought it up at all since it serves no other purpose other than to make Ichigo appear stronger.

He completed the coffin fully hence the reason the sky grew darker and the coffin was fully formed around Ichigo when he had fininished (which could only mean that it peaked in power at that moment).

And I dont see the point in fighting over this, considering Ichigo stopped a Captains full incantation level 90 Kido (This was a man who took out many other captains before even transforming to the level he was when he used this kido, and who in my mind could solo a good portion of the naruto cast), with nothing more than a wave of his hand. Lets just overlook the fact that it could distort space and time, because that alone is impressive.

But your point is solid since there is no proof there that space or time is being distorted. But with that being said the feat is very impressive none the less.

As far as mountains go. I have a mountain right outside my front door that is smaller than the one Ichigo destroyed (It is classed as a mountain and I have no authority to say otherwise), not to mention countless others around my area. In my mind a hill is something that can be easily walked up with little to no climbing involved, and going from what I seen there it would be very hard to walk up that "Hills" verticle slope.

But once again there is no need to argue over this, since he destroyed it with little to no effort, irrergardless of its status as a mountain or not.

I think Aizen disagrees with you there. (If you can even make that out lol )

"A torrent of gravity capable of distorting space-time itself!! A being such as you cannot even begin to comprehend it!!"

And call it what you will, It all depends on your definition of a mountain in general (Its much bigger than a mountain near my house so yeah, thats what im going by) In the end it was still done with little to no effort on his part.

@YouFinished: It was during his final fight with Aizen, when they clashed swords Ichigo indirectly destroyed mountains.

And he destroyed a full incantation level 90. Korohitsugi just by waving his hand (Which was stated to distort space and time.)

But back on topic I would still give this to Ichigo currently (But that could change in a few chapters) due to his on par, if not greater speed, more destructive feats and better durablilty.

@justanormalguy: You said you believe what the mangaka says so give me some chapter numbers and pages so i can see these "Statements" for myself.

I'm pretty sure if you watch the show, it's addressed already about Yamamoto's bankai

But you said all this time that you follow what was written in the manga, you have never said anything about the show at all.

But sure, I shall indulge your change in media for a while and ask you not only for a chapter number and page but also for an anime arc and episode number since funny enough I also have them too and they follow the plot laid out in the manga more or less (Except for filler arcs, so dont give me the Zanpakuto arc and try to pass that off as canon).

Since you have 2 to chose from it should be easy for you to find any so called reference to the power of his Bankai in either. But going from my understanding of both forms of media, you will be searching for a very long time.

@Fehafare: Baccano is quite good and is a bit confusing at the start, but once you get past that is a good series.

@justanormalguy: Can I see some of these contradictions please? Hell just give me a chapter number and page, I have the chapters of Bleach on my laptop so I can see for myself what you think is the truth.

@Fehafare: What can I say, I have time to kill. Better someone speaks up against him than have him believe he is right about it forever.

I also remember that thread, fun times, but that was nowhere near as idiotic as this claim.

Yeah I changed the avatar a while ago since I started watching Baccano. Might change it back to Alucard sometime soon though, I miss him lol.

@justanormalguy: That is a release command not an actual statement in regards to its power.

Shinso's command is "Shoot to Kill" But that cant be true considering Ichigo survived it on multiple occasions, Hiyori Survived it and many others.

If every command is a represention of power to you then why have I never seen Suzumushi "Cry" or Sakanade "Collapse"?

His Ennetsu Jigoku was only a threat to the Fake Karakura town, But Aizen said that it could destroy the Real Karakura town too, But there was no proof to this claim.

But his Shikai is still more powerful that most Bankai in the series, So just being able to Town Bust with nothing more than his Shikai is very impressive since most can just about get over multi city block destruction with their Bankai.

I dont think it would be in his capacity to country bust with his Bankai, But with that being said I do believe that he could be a potential Life Wiper given that he can control the intensity of the flames he creates, He burn up the atmosphere in doing so, and his Bankai would just give him even greater control over this.

Even with all that said, I believe that his fight with Aizen & Wonderweiss was the best in the whole series hands down. Even beating out the likes of Ichigo vs Grimmjow and Halibel vs Toshiro.

I also think we left out a Key Fact about this fight because I only just noticed it there now myself, It being that it is Hand to Hand only.

@justanormalguy:I am going by the manga. He himself stated that the attack was so strong that everything inside the 7 pillars would be destroyed, Even himself. He is only alive because Wonderwiss Sealed his Ryujin Jakka before the attack was released. And lets not forget when he killed wonderwiss and nearly died trying to contain the blast. Only to sacrifice his arm to do minimal damage to Aizen and pass out.

Thanos survived a black hole being opened on top of him. And Yamamoto nearly died containing a city destroyer he created. Its not hard to see who is stronger.

Oh and using a release command to back up your proof is just silly. I take it that means that Gins blade should kill everyone since his command is "Shoot to kill"?