@MrASSH0LE: Thats good. And looking back though this, Father wins by the majority vote. Thank you and goodnight I have a book to finish.
@MrASSH0LE: Ok I will apoligise before hand for this post because I see the need to hammer this into your head quite hard now.
have shown you 2 sources demonstrating what is the 6 paths yet you keep on ignoring you are the one being hard-headed.You haven't done anything to refute them.Plus given the fact that the rinnegan allows control of the bodies I could just as easily say that this is another case of he has the rinnegan "Oh but he can't use it".
Either refute it or concede the point .
I know what the fucking 6 paths are, The Rinne part of the dojutsu is the cycle of reincarnation or rebirth in several Indian religions. This is reflected in the names of all Six Paths of Pain, which share the names with Samsaric realms of reincarnation.
Each of pains bodys used ONE path, Madara said when we first seen him with his 6 bodys, He would have prefered stronger hosts for his 6 PATHS (something along those lines refering to his 6 hosts).
These are the 6 PATHS the OP is refering to since the rinnegan ONLY gives you access to their jutsu why would he give him the Rinnegan, AND THEN TAKE AWAY THEIR FUCKING POWERS FROM HIM??????
And once again why he is on his own. NO OTHER HELP, SO NO BIJU DAMA!
You're saying a spike moving to impale Tobi wouldn't move?Because that's the only way your plan works and I have already explained to you why Tobi is faster then Father he could keep up with Yondaime the fastest character in the series and could react Gai's kick showing his reaction time.
I am not sure but wouldn't that require him to know what the mask is? And the closest to transmuting an enemy Father did was when Scar tried to deconstruct him and he replied in similar fashion.... oh wait Scar a super human with supersonic reaction AVOIDED it and there was the time where he tried to turn Ed and the other in to stones but that still required them being at close range.
Finally, you have conceded the fact that Tobi is the fastest of the two hence if anybody 's going to get hit with an attack first it's Father , he's the one who realistically couldn't keep up.Yet you keep saying Tobi's gonna get caught in Father's attacks.
Im saying that the sharingan can only track movement of what IT SEES, did you even read that line? He will hardly be looking at the ground now will he? The fact Father wont move at all and transmutes the ground will not tell him the attack is coming unless Tobi now has precog?
No since he can bypass the law of equivalevent exchange he should be able to do it easily.
The only reason Father didnt go on an all out rampage, was the same reason why Flash will never blitz all his enemys the second he sees them, The plot demanded him otherwise. Frankly if they didnt have Hoinheim and there was no plot to say otherwise Father would have killed them all right there and then, with no remorse and in the span of a few minutes, because that is how powerful he is, and while he might no be as fast as Tobi is, WHY THE HELL WOULD HE NEED TO BE WHEN HE IS AS STRONG AS HE IS?
He held the sun in the palm of his had for god sake, Tob is a long shot off EVER doing something as powerful as that, Given his only long Range attack is Shrinra Tensei, and everything else is short range, too long to cast, or requires him to make direct contact with Father,
I conceded? No I never, to imply that would mean I said that Father was faster in the first place, so that is terrible misuse of that word by you. I said since the start that while Tobi is faster than the alchemists, most have greater feats of destruction to their name.
Given that the Third form of Father was healing every attack inflicted upon him, how is Shinra Tensei going to kill him? He can only use it every 5 seconds, at which point father could heal himself and then Tobi will be forced to do so again, and again and again until he is out of Energy, Chakra and Father still has a comfortable 9,000,000 souls left, having not attacked or tried to defend himself, and only healed through Tobis greatest attack each time it was used.
Oh I know he will BFR him now since well that is instant anyway and he has no chance to escape that before he is absorbe... Oh wait it takes a few seconds for Tobi to do that, unless the subject is willing. A few seconds of immobility and tangibility, and the fact that he has to be in close proximity to the thing he is absorbing, or even TOUCHING for that matter, for a guy who can transmute any object nearby without moving, into any other object without moving... Yeah I can see him falling prey to that one now. Lets not even bring the Gate into this since I now believe he wount even need it to escape.
Well then your whole point falls apart.If you say Tobi could not be beaten by those alchemists and those alchemists were able to make Father run out of souls to contain God well then Tobi should that is just logical.
You say the only way they had to defeat him was Greed, that is false the reason Father was unstable was because he had used up his power and was no longer able to contain God.If Greed hadn't done what he did in a worst case scenario he(Father) would die later in a best case one he would lose God and revert back to his old self.
Oh my, just oh my. the more we get into this the more I think you never finished FMA, he had 5,000,000 souls left when he used up the souls of amestris. He had 5,000,000 souls left when greed carbonized his skin, He had 5,000,000 souls left when he was punched in the chest by Ed.
THAT is the reason he went unstable because Ed allowed the souls of Xerxes to escape. Jesus at least check the wiki.
Worst case senario if Greed didnt do that, Father would be killing everyone else anyway since that ALLOWED them the victory, nothing else. In the best case senairo Father would have killed them, absorbed their souls and replenished his PS.
You are mistaken .
The scans states that they can't use them ( Kakashi says it and Tobi validates it) .Yes, because of Tobi not letting them but that isn't really an issue .Whether or not they are doing it out of lack of power or out lack of envy they still technically aren't using the paths.
Listen you're trying to argue that Father who has inferior destructive capacity to Tobi who has either Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei or Six jinchurrikis granting destruction between multi-mountain and town level.Inferior speed , with Tobi fighting hyper-sonic characters and Father possessing supersonic reaction time.
You're only argument at this point is transmutation which requires Tobi to stand close to Father which any person with knowledge would not do.Even Scar who is less fast then Tobi was able to avoid transmutation.
No offence my friend, but this is ridiculous at this point our debate is about whether Tobi has jinchuurikis which would allow him to spam bijuu dama or just produce one bijuu dama with multi-mountain level destruction or if he has Shinra tensei which would destroy the city .On top of that if we take you 're belief that he can use the Pain abilities but not the bodies he can (thanks to the energy equivalence rule) block city block level attacks with absorption which is the most Father demonstrated without preparation.
Umm I dont know how to tell you this but... No. Kakashi say they cant use them then GAI says "Tobi will not want to waste his Chakra using said jutsu since they knew how to counter them." Kakashi then said that "It must take alot of chakra controling 6 jinchuriki at once with his eyes "(Validating this point) not saying to Gai "no he cant use them" just saying "it must take alot of chakra to control them". To which Tobi responds with you have good eyes Kakashi (Infering to his deduction that it requires alot of chakra to control them, not that they cant use the paths).
Are you just seeing things the way you want to see them, or did you really think thats what happened? If the latter I think Shounen manga might be a little to complicated for you, It was hard to understand all that text after all.
Just adding these in since it is a nice profile of the 2 characters at hand. So you can see for yourself what Father is able to destroy and on what scale. I would also like to apoligise for the words used against you, I have no problems with you at all. I even like you, you seem like a cool guy and I have no problem with that. I was just getting angry about having to repeat the same thing like 5 times now, so dont take what I said here as offence, I used it to highlight my points so as they would stick out.
How about we agree to disagree on this, and let the majority vote commence? Check out the 2 profiles below all the same, they might change how you view Father.