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Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

It would be a task for Luffy to survive for 5 minutes since both have Cutting attacks (Ichigo's is in abundance with them and Naruto has Fuuton Rasenshuriken). Ichigo has Durability around mid Town+ Level (Given him tanking Aizens Fragor with no visable damage to himself. And Naruto would be mountain level (Funny thing is Naruto has yet to tank an attack in the BM, so we dont know if his durability is mountain level in this form feats wise, but given that his subsequent tailed forms had mountain level durability it would be safe to assume that his BM is the same.). And Luffy would be Mid-High Town+ Level for Blunt Force, and no lower than City Block+ Level for Cutting Force (Lowest estimate but it is more than likely higher).

The problem for Luffy is his durability against cutting forces is lack luster considering both Naruto and Ichigo have cutting attacks (The latter uses them almost exclusively).

Whether Luffy can survive for 5 minutes depends on who engages who first out of Ichigo and Naruto.

After re-reading the OP, Luffy can use the volcano to his advantage (Such as blocking the Bijuu Dama from Naruto), And if Naruto decides to engage Ichigo first under the pretense that he can sense the evil in his heart (His hollow self), then Luffy would get a good idea of what the Bijuu Dama can do (And all following attack for that matter) and work to avoid it using the volcano. The good thing about this stragety is that Luffy, while not directly in the thick of the battle can still use his Gomu Gomu to attack them from a distance with powerful attacks while they are fighting one another. Using this strategy Luffy would outlast Naruto in BM and kill him.

Also it is possible for Luffy to maybe pull a win out of this too (But the likelyhood would be high indeed), given that the magma instantly kills anything that touches it. I already covered Luffys strength so if he was able to push or throw Ichigo into the magma (Ichigo, while strong would not be able to counter Luffy in the strength department and its entirely possible that this could happen, but unlikely) and he would secure himself a well fought and hard earned victory. This presents its own problems as one attack from Ichigo would end this train of thought, so speed would be a defining factor (That or a stealth attack) but Ichigo did react to Aizen's teleportation and was exceeding his already termendous speed even in his Third Form.

That would be an unlikely scenario but also entierly possible that Luffy could come up with that plan. Its up to you if you feel he could pull this off since I was just putting an idea out there based on the actual battlefield.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Tobi's army v. World War Hulk

@taichokage: Tobi's Intangibility is not time manipluation, its space-time manipulation. The main difference between the two is that Space time is represented in 4 dimensions. What it means is that empty space is filled with particles which are massless and therefore not affected by relative time, but when you introduce mass to this relative time takes over. Hence why its is shown as a flat graph that curves around the earth.

Anything that has mass will "Curve" in the graph, all tobi is doing is "Flattening" himself out and existing in space and time simultaniously. Effectively removing his mass, which is why attacks pass though him. Similar to what light particles do, In the same moment they are born, they are destroyed because relative time does not affect them.

Really strange explanation which I believe to be right, in laymans terms anyway.

His energy is still there which is a plausable explanation as to why we can still see him, which means that the Hulk can still hit him. Be has destroyed planatery energys before with strength so Tobi will be no different.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@SpeedForceSpider: As far as im aware his base attacking strength in conjunction with his Haki is multi city block level. And then by using his Gears w/ combo attacks he is Town+ level. As for the lifting feats and such, I myself cannot remember if he was using his gears when doing them. If I said no then it would just be all out hell when he uses his gears, I would say his base strength CURRENTLY (As far as lifing goes anyway) is well over 5,000 tonnes (Safe estimate on my part) easily, since in the first Saga he lifted and threw a sea creature that was calced at around 1,000 tonnes in weight for a distance of 60-70 meters I believe. I would need to do a bit more digging to find out a correct number but that is something to go off for now. If nothing else its no less than 1,000 tonnes. Naturally his striking strength would be equal to or greater than this.

I believe that Naruto and Ichigo are ment to be in the 200-500 tonne range which is still impressive, but nothing like Luffy.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Hellos:

I'm not entirely sure how heavy bijou bombs are to begin with, so I can't comment on it. But it isn't surprising that Naruto can move them in the least given Bijous have already shown the ability to handle their bombs without even actively touching them, it's tough for me to see Naruto's split second deflection of the bijou bombs as a strength feat though.

Which time are you referring to? Naruto vs Pein?

As far as I remember, Naruto's deflection showing is the first time anyone has actually physically(in a sense, Kurama is a giant chakra monster and all we saw was a brief glimpse of speed sending these bombs away) touched a beast bomb to move it. Outside that it's usually levitating some distance away from their user and being moved in that manner and when it actually strikes an object it explodes.

When 4 tailed naruto compressed and ate his Bijuu Dama against Orochimaru to fire it at him the ground around him was forced down due to the weight. I believe Killer B or the 8 Tails also said that they were very dense when formed.

For the second part, it was more when Tobi summoned Kurama and he fired his Bijuu Dama at the monument, the buildings just outside of the body of the sphere were left untouched which suggests that it does not radiate heat or the buildings and trees would have caught on fire. And for the third part, the first time A Bijuu Dama was physically moved was when Naruto had to push Killer B's through the 36 Layer Self-Repairing Barrier becasue it didnt have enough momentum to break through itself. Which suggests that with enough strength anyone could move one (Naruto had his strength amped at the time with his new cloak which let him do it)

Like I said it would not be impossible for Luffy to do something similar, or Ichigo for that matter. But Luffy would have an easier time because of the Gomu Gomu, which would let him bend his body and apply force on a wider area.

I'd rather treat it as a showing of physical strength, but you can tie it into durability.

Fair enough, won't argue with that

Without something more convincing in terms of durability, I see that being the case.

Luffys blunt force durability is commendable (I believe its high town+ level), but his durability against cutting attack is horrible which both Naruto and Ichigo both have.

Most of it's body remains encased under a x amount of tons. I have a tough time not seeing how this isn't an impressive show of strength on Kurama's side, given nothing less than multiple mountains being torn apart was going to apparently hold the Fox down, in Pein's own words and he still broke free without being at full power. But yes, Pein didn't want to kill Naruto and could have very well done so earlier, I wouldn't count it as a destruction feat. When I refer to the 9 tails durability, I look towards him tanking his own Beast Bombs, without so much as staggering himself in the process.

See the problem there is how close Naruto in his 6 tailed cloak was to the surface, when he transformed into the 8 Tails he had nowhere else to go but out. With that said I can see it as being a decent display of strength, but I would atribute it more to his transformation than an outright display of strength. Think of it like a bomb exploding under the ground, the energy has nowhere else to go but out, same principil as his trasformation. But we do agree to some extent and I will give you that it is impressive in its own right.

Okay, I'd still say it's more impressive a showing then we are likely going to see out of Luffy for a while.

Recent showings? Sure that is probably one of the better recent showings so far from the 3 respective shows, but Luffy has some very powerful strength feats from earlier in the manga which is why I said it was not as impressive as some of the physical feats Luffy has performed over the years. But I guess we agree on this point anyway.

I get he took quite a beating, read it myself in shonen, but the disconnect for me is that he took damage from what they hitting him with. If canon balls, bullets, etc, it's touch seeing said individual more durable than Ichigo or Naruto. It's a great showing of resilience, his ability to continue despite the damage, not so much a showing that makes me think he can stroll past mountain busting attacks.

Its not the fact that the attacks were visually damaging him, it was the power of said attacks that he was being hit with that makes it impressive. He took an all out attack from Akainu while he was having a heart attack and fought on like nothing happened. And this was Akainu who not moments before evaporated a +1,000,000 tonne iceberg in a few seconds, and destroyed Whitebeards flagship. The first feat would put him in the Town+ level in destruction, and whitebeard took that and more during that fight. You could say he could survive a City Destroyer via powerscaling from Akainu given that he tanked Whitebeards attack that completely destroyed Marineford down to the seabed at point blank range and survived. And that was after already taking a direct hit to the back of his head from Whitebeard going all out against him.

As you can see when viewed like that it is alot more impressive, and while he would not be able to take multiple attacks in that range and survive. He would not need to since his Gura Gura would detonate attacks like the Bijuu Dama from a distance, and then he could create another quake infront of him to divert the power of the blast around him. Or as I said previous he could just kick or lift the Bijuu Dama and throw it into the sky.

I'd imagine everything around the Bijou would be incinerated, so them being whack a moled into the ground seems unlikely.

You need to remember that it is at the root of it, just a big bomb. So force would be applied to everything caught in the blast, It wont do much damage to him mind you but it will stun him for a moment.

Thats because Shippuden took for ever to get around in the story at that point. :P

If that were the case there would be less fillers! Haha. But im not complaining, that would be my favourite fights so far.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@taichokage: Luffy is high town level approching city level with his physical combo attacks, his lifting strength is in the million tonne range and his striking strength is not far behind that. So yes he is not as physicaly strong as Luffy. Ichigos physical strength feats are impressive but if he went against luffy with nothing else but strength he would lose. The other guy who we were in another debate with did make a valid point that it was a craig and not a mountain, still impressive considering he oblitrated it mind you. As for the spell, if physical strength is what it requires to break out of it then Luffy would have no problem. I would say it had to do with him releasing copious amounts or Reiatsu and had little to nothing to do with his physical strength.

Luffy is above them with physical strength, the other 2 are above him with energy based attacks.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Tobi's army v. World War Hulk

@ohgodwhy: @othus12: @taichokage: Genjutsu or soul removal wont work since he has multiple personalitys and has an incredible resistance to Psychic based attacks and Soul Based attacks. Tobi's Intangibility wont work either since Hulk has been shown to be able to touch energy as if it were solid. And World War Hulk can regen from attacks far greater than what the combined force of Tobi's army can dish out. He would jump into the air grab the meteor and throw it at the army before it even entered the atmosphere since he has some very nice jumping feats to boot. He can and has reacted to high level hypersonic characters (Im told there are lightspeed showing too, not certain on that though) so blitzing him wont work, Not that any of that matters since once the fight begins one single thunderclap would destroy everything in the area.

They do have alot of hax but most wont work and the ones that do, well they would be dead before they can get them off. If worst comes to worst he could just destroy the planet with Thunderclaps.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@SpeedForceSpider: Oh yeah I agree with you completely that pre-timeskip Luffy is not on their levels, to say he is is redicolus. Ichigo and Luffy have similar speed feats, and Naruto has just gotten is biggest upgrade which could be his last, wont know until the flashbacks in the manga end, I find it funny that I wait a whole month for the anime to come off flashbacks only to have the manga go on them instead... that is what we call a facepalm haha. At least it is plot relevent unlike showing us the same stuff we have already seen.

But back on topic Naruto could be up at their level in terms of speed (I would still put him below them, but he is still fast enough to compete toe to toe at least against Luffy anyway), I mean anyone who is anyone in One Piece is at the very least hypersonic which makes blitzing one another pointless. But in Naruto and Bleach the difference in speed between characters in very large. Take Naruto for example most characters would be supersonic, with a few confirmed hypersonic characters. Which makes blitzing viable, but in One Piece most characters would be Hypersonic and the differences in speed between people would make blitzing impossible.

Yeah I respect all three shows equally so I try my best to remain neutral unless there is a clear winner (Bleach not so much now, kinda got bored of it tbh).

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Tobi's army v. World War Hulk

While Tobi's Army does have the revived, Making them immortal. They have nothing at all that could even dent World War Hulk let alone kill him. One thunderclap would annihilate the battlefield and the subsequent continent. What Hulk sees is 100,000 dead men and a handful of puny humans.

As for methods for them to engage him, It would be smarter for them to run away as fast as they can.

Funny thing is I would still pay to see this fight, despite myself dying in the process. Who doesn't like seeing Hulk wreck things? haha

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@SpeedForceSpider: Ok before I start, I am in no way siding with Luffy. I fell LiquidPrince is giving Luffy a negative argument rather than a positive one, and I still stand by what I said before but I will go into more detail here.

Naruto and Ichigo do not have physical strength feats that even compair to Luffys. Their Energy/Chakra attacks are equal or more powerful, but not their physical strength given that luffy has a multi million tonne feat (Lifiting Strength mind you), and is able to wreck multiple city blocks with single punches (Striking Strength).

While Naruto and Ichigo have comendable physical strength, if pales in comparison to Luffys.

was posting the argument people were repetitively saying that the OP insists doesn't exist. That is why it was so generic and lacking all flavor my usual posts have.

I'd count it as a deflection feat; he was able to move those attacks some how fast enough, without having them explode in his face(which might actually lead to a decent speed feat if one considers how fast Bijou Bombs go off). In regards to Luffy knocking Bijou Bombs out of his way, his make up isn't remotely like the Fox so I would place HEAVY doubt in that being the case. That and Naruto is physically stronger than Luffy is as far as I'm concerned, no one has a scan of multiple mountains being piled up on Luffy and him just casually freeing himself right under a ridiculous amount of tons of rock. So people in One Piece have done something remotely close to deflecting 5 mountain busters, then proceeding to release a multi mountain buster that had the second most power tailed beast essentially mentioning "damn thats powerful"?

While everything on these boards, including Naruto is hyped to hell, I still saw Whitebeard having holes knocked into him by canons and penetrated by swords, it's tough to see him strolling past multimountain busters without breaking a sweat. He was able to charge one up to match the combined might of the other tailed beasts in no time at all and if they still "blew up in his face" then the Fox would tank blasts he can tank and still level most of the surrounding area, in other words backfiring in Ichigo's face.

Honestly given the speeds that Ichigo, and people argue, Luffy fight at, 5 minutes is an eternity.

Yeah as I said at the top he seems to be giving luffy a negative impact rather than a positive one.

He did have to move fast enough to hit them correctly, That I will agree on. But if he didn't have the strength to move them they would have just colided with him and blew up. I believe it was just as Naruto and Killer B were escaping that Naruto lifited up Killer B's Bijuu Dama and forced it through the barrier. That is a nice 200-300 Tonne feat, so his physical side has improved and he done so with just his standard cloak on.

Now when Kurama fired one inside Konoha it did not affect the surrounding environment (Such as burning nearby building or trees, or cause shockwaves or radiate anything harmful), Aside from plowing the ground in front of it. It more or less seems to be a cannonball, one can touch it without getting hurt but if it explodes then its devastating. Now it will be hard for him to do it, but not impratical or impossible, He could move his arm underneath or to the side of the Bijuu dama and effetively "Swing" it upwards or "Swing it around" and throw it back. His speed if fast enough to react to them so its well within his power to do this. The only problem is, as you say how fast they move and how quick they blow up, If he pushes hard enough it will cancel out the foward momentium of the Bijuu Dama so it can only move in the direction he choses. He does have the strength to make this a possibility.

Just food for though really, I wanna give Luffy a fair fighting chance instead of saying he gets stomped.

As for the Chibaku Tensei feat, I said this in another topic (I will try to find the link, just so you can read my post there about it.), I dont think that feat is a valid one to suggest he has mountain durability given how close he was to the surface of the sphere when he changed into the 8 Tails. I really only see that as a containment Field rather than a Destructive Feat, if Nagato wanted to kill him he would have done so when he immobilized him back in Konoha.

I found the link its the third post down starts just above the images, I would quoat it but it is far too long. The Irony is that it was also Luffy v Ichigo v Naruto.

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/naruto-vs-ichigo-vs-luffy/331437/?page=4

Like I said there, I do agree that he as mountain level durability based on other feats, I just dont feel comfortable when that one is used to back it up. But that is mainly just my opinion on the matter.

So people in One Piece have done something remotely close to deflecting 5 mountain busters, then proceeding to release a multi mountain buster that had the second most power tailed beast essentially mentioning "damn thats powerful"?

I was just saying that in regards to the physical strength side of Naruto "Impressive for their verse, not so much One Piece". Not their overall power.

While everything on these boards, including Naruto is hyped to hell, I still saw Whitebeard having holes knocked into him by canons and penetrated by swords, it's tough to see him strolling past multimountain busters without breaking a sweat. He was able to charge one up to match the combined might of the other tailed beasts in no time at all and if they still "blew up in his face" then the Fox would tank blasts he can tank and still level most of the surrounding area, in other words backfiring in Ichigo's face.

Honestly given the speeds that Ichigo, and people argue, Luffy fight at, 5 minutes is an eternity.

Yeah he was badly damaged in that fight, you have to remember though that with half his head missing, his organs incinerated, two holes punched in his chest, A Heart Attack, Stabbed multiple times (Also left 2 swords in his body at the end I believe), Shot over 100 times, and being demolished by an all manner of attacks, that he was still fighting with amazing power. I mean even after taking a direct shot at his chest which left a hole he still managed to completely rip marineford to pieces with 1 attack. I would put Whitebeard at the top in terms of strength and power out of the whole HST so far, not to mention he is an absolute monster and one of the cooler characters this side of Yamamoto, given how many men it finally took to put him down and what he was doing even while having his body destroyed.

As for Ichigo, Given that the Bijuu have a tendency to hold the ball directly above their body as they are charging it would mean that when ichigo detonates it they are forced into the ground immoblizing him for a short space of time, enough for Ichigo to get in close and begin working away at him.

In anime 5 minutes is an eternity, not gonna disagree there. Sakura was poisoned and only had three minutes till she lost her motor functions, and those three minutes were spanned over a period or around 3-4 hours if im not mistaken. Even Ichigo and his Hollow Mask that was only ment to last 8-9 seconds lasted about 2 minutes in the show. Not sure on Luffy since I dont watch the show (Got late into watching it and realised It had over 500+ episodes now so yeah...) but Luffy could stay alive for 5 minutes if he used his skills to their utmost and was smart about his engages, so not impratical or impossible, just gonna be damn hard for him.

Cutting a mountain in half is nothing... Not an indication of physical strength... Mihawk, Zoro, and countless others can do the same in the One Piece universe...

He swung his sword so fast and with such strength that it created a compressed air current that ripped hills appart, and that was at a distance. And remember that he done so without the use of an energy projection or another form of attack, this was with pure strength and speed. Luffy has good durability but not against cutting power once Ichigo gets in close and swings his sword in his direction im afraid that Luffy is going down

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Danzo Shimura Vs. Hiruzen Saturobi

Danzo - Kotoamatsukami - game over.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Moka (Read OP)

@FormerCrimsonKing: Against Luffy? Show her breasts, or an upskirt panty shot??

Honestly nothing worth noting, at least by HST standards. No hacked abilitys, speed is faster than the eye can see, strength is superhuman, durability is superhuman. Like I said nothing worth noting.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@FormerCrimsonKing: He wouldnt even need his hax given how fast he is when compaired to the HST haha.

While I do agree that Ichigo wins, I dont really agree with the power rankings.

For me it goes Ichigo>Luffy>Naruto. in terms or power w/Sustainability

The reason why is because Naruto, while strong and powerful is not currently sustainable. And would quickly lose effectiveness once his time limit has been reached, but for Ichigo and Luffy no such time limit exists (Exception would be FGT Ichigo) which means they can keep hitting powerful attacks until they tire out.

For overall power I would rank them Ichigo>Naruto>Luffy. Now with that said the gap is really not that big. Luffys combo attacks are very high level town+ Busting, approching low city level (Not quite there currently, but close). And so far without any decent grasp on Narutos speed, Ichigo and Luffy are logically faster by a large margin based on feats.

Naruto himself is insanely fast, even as a giant fox. Can deflect multiple mountain busters without breaking a sweat. Can tank his own attacks. Can release multi mountain busting blasts in no time at all. And his own attacks may be unpredictable due to the chakra cloak's unique ability to be spontaneous to people with precog.

The multiple mountain buster deflection feat is strength based. So a physical powerhouse such as Whitebeard or Monkey. D. Garp should be able to do the same given they have incredible strength feats of their own, Its possible Luffy could also do it, and more effectively given the Gomu Gomu no Mi but im not 100% on how strong he is so I wont pursue that train of thought until I find out. So all in all Impressive for the Naruto Verse, not so much the OPVerse.

I can't see Naruto even getting off one Bijuu Dama, with Ichigo constantly blowing them up in his face with sword swings.

I agree that Ichigo wins, so now it just comes down to if Luffy can survive for 5 mins to earn second place, because once Naruto's BM runs out he is well and truly violated.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Big Boobs » Why are breasts considered sexual?

@justanormalguy: That was because they thought it "Simulated" a vagina, which is more commonly associated with females, hence why it was censored on females and not males.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Luffy vs Moka (Read OP)

Luffy stomps easily. Moka would be unable to keep up with his speed, let alone match his strength.

@Acura_Max: Just for the record her strength is nowhere near Arlongs, She is around Superhuman in terms of strength.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Franken Stein Vs Kabuto Yakushi

@Hellos: The guy Stein blitzed was Justin Law, which is the guy I think you were asking about. He is one of the Death Scythes and he is quite skilled, I believe since he achieved his Death Scythe status without the help of a Meister. I have not read the manga for a long time now so I can't comment on his speed but he should be quite fast.

Kabuto is able to liquify, but I think Stein has some kind of Lightning attacks which should counter that. I would need to look into that, it might have only had the appearance of lightning. I shall get back to you on that.

Yeah I just checked and it seems Marie Mjolnir uses electric in her attacks, she also uses it to amp Stein up (Kinda like Lightning Armor) so he should be high in the Hypersonic Range, and that should also negate Kabutos water form

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Frieza(anime/movies) Vs Saint Seiya(original manga) Read 1st Post

You are back with the same thread worded differently.

@The_original_goku10000:

No that wasn't the main character Seiya is hence, hence title of the series Saint Seiya. You know it really make you look ignorant, desperate, mad and over all a bad debater when you try to lie and use gag feats when you have lost.

Yusuke52 said:Having read that I dont think you even know what Saint Seiya is, you do know that the main charater is Pegasus Seiya? and the guy who hurt him was Pegasus Seiya... yeah now im starting to doubt your understanding of SS (And here is me only realising now that you might be trolling haha (Scarcasm)).
Oh lol I just re-read your post and realised that you think the main character is actually called Saint Seiya! Oh great that made me laugh thanks. ^_^
Oh that was good haha, well done. What next the main character of Death Note is called "Death"?
But I only joke, but you really need to pay more attention to what you are reading lol.

Did you just try to make your incorrect post correct by making it even more incorrect and then you had the "AUDACITY" to insult my intelligence.

Lol the main protaganist of the series is called PEGASUS SEIYA (The guy who attacked him), making me fully correct and you only half correct, it also makes you look like an even bigger idiot for calling me incorrect, and yes I did insult your intelligence. What little there is to insult that is, given that you cant understand why Frieza would lose, and that you keep coming back with the same thread again and again.

@The_original_goku10000:

Yes, they can recreate the big bang on A SMALL SCALE which means that NO, they are not universe busters. Heck it took all the power from all the GOLD SAINTS to duplicate the SUNS power on A SMALL SCALE. Again lol.

Yusuke52 said:Ah yes sorry that was my fault, the wording was bad there. Yes they can recreate the big bang on a small scale and the suns power on a small scale, both of which would kill every being in DBZ if it was used against them... So yeah lol to you because if anything you made it seem worse. You would have been better leaving it instead of having me correct myself to make the attack even greater.

I don't think you're comprehending what replicating an attack of any thing on a small scale means. So ill tell you what that means, it means that said attack is unquantifiable which translates to said attack can be a hill buster or mountain buster but nothing concrete. And you should of kept your mouth shut instead of making an ass out of yourself.

You yourself said they can recreate the Big Bang on a small scale, which is correct. All that power and energy the Big Bang had on a smaller scale, enough to cover the entire body of Frieza for that matter. Just think about all that energy and power he would be subjected to in the 3x3 meter box that currently contains the power of the BIG BANG. Think on that for a momment and you will realise that you made a much bigger ass out of yourself than I did. :)

@The_original_goku10000:

Yes, indeed, because you proved that with such vivid,clear and detailed explanations that were backed up by feats, right.

Yusuke52 said:More or less already laid out here so go ahead and tell us all of Friezas feats. As said Ginyu for is a non-factor.
That was fun.

So let me get this straight your saying that characters that can be killed by castles falling on them can beat a planet buster with planet durability is that what your saying? If you consider making an utter fool out of yourself fun then yes it was quite fun.

No, I never. That was clear PIS considering most characters have multi planet+ to start level+ durability in Saint Seiya.. Not to mention that most if not all are FTL+ and are able to destroy atoms.

@The_original_goku10000:

So far I've seen 0 scans of ss characters fighting at ftl or them traveling at ftl so forgive the distrust I have when you claim that.

Yusuke52 said:Cannot wait till you read further on in the manga, your mind will be blown. There is a page where it shows gold saints crossing hundreds of galaxies in the span of a few minutes, im sure someone would have a scan in english.

I've read all of it (well except for the middle part which is not available online)

And somehow I still dont believe that. Given you lack of understanding on the series and putting a single character from DBZ no less against everyone from that Series at once (Dont try and say "Oh its only the people after part 1",it is still a stomp regardless of how you word it).

Sonata said: I have said this before and this will be the final time. One or more characters vs a Universe is BANNED from the battle forums.

But that's not what the rules say the rules say that "A whole Universe vs one of more character threads banned" which isn't even a coherent sentence.

Lol, coherent or not it is laid out in a manner which is simple to understand. A Fictional Universe vs 1 or more Characters is banned, not to hard to understand.

@The_original_goku10000:

I made this new thread which is similar to my last one that was locked by a inept mod that didn't allow me a extra day to post why Frieza would beat SS verse (For some reason this site only allows a new user to only post 5 times a day, which is fucking stupid)

Yusuke52 said:Yeah im certain you were the one saying it. As for the last part, that is in place for regulation of new members. Most fourms use it (I admined a fourm back in the day and implemented it too because it was spammed by bots all the time), to discourage spam threads and posts from bots. so no its not "Fucking stupid" its actually fucking smart.

Damn Straight son.

Because there aren't any other "better" ways to fix said problems ,right. Like umm I don't know maybe adding something in the php, but no instead you only allow a new poster to post 5 a day.

Ok first how would you or I know that this is a PHP scripted website? There are more scripting languages than PHP you know, PHP is used mostly in free websites, there are many more such as javascript, lua, SMX and a few others. In reagrds to a better way to fix said problems, this is one of the easiest ways to counter bots and trolls, limiting the amount of times they can post. If you have a better way go ahead and say so, I would love to see how you would run a website.

1. How i'm I suppose to back up my claims if I cant use scans.

2. How i'm I suppose to comply in that thread if its locked. LOL these mods, god they're terrible.

1. Post as an image dont link to other sites???

2. You must hate fourms then since most fourms like these would have similar rules set in place with mods or admins to enforce them.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Frieza & Ginyu force(anime&movie) vs Saint Seiya Verse (Original)

@The_original_goku10000: Lets observe the facts my thread was not against the rules since it was 2 people NOT one(since I later added vegeta) Vs a verse.It was not a stupid thread. So in other words you it was look by said inept mod.

As has already said, one or more characters vs an entire verse is not allowed. As for the last part of your sentence. I really cannot understand a word of that, I assume you are saying that I was the one who called the moderator an "Inept Mod" and not you.

I made this new thread which is similar to my last one that was locked by a inept mod that didn't allow me a extra day to post why Frieza would beat SS verse (For some reason this site only allows a new user to only post 5 times a day, which is fucking stupid)

Yeah im certain you were the one saying it. As for the last part, that is in place for regulation of new members. Most fourms use it (I admined a fourm back in the day and implemented it too because it was spammed by bots all the time), to discourage spam threads and posts from bots. so no its not "Fucking stupid" its actually fucking smart.

One of hades specters using a boulder tech to kill a gold saint and other saints.as you can see this is big shit for the specter.

They didnt die, on the next page it shows them standing up, as for it being "Big shit for the specter"... just no.

Yes, because destroying a small part of the landscape is very impressive.

No, Athena Exclamation is an attack that allows them to harness the power of the Big Bang. You do know what the Big Bang was right?

So far I've seen 0 scans of ss characters fighting at ftl or them traveling at ftl so forgive the distrust I have when you claim that.

Cannot wait till you read further on in the manga, your mind will be blown. There is a page where it shows gold saints crossing hundreds of galaxies in the span of a few minutes, im sure someone would have a scan in english.

In fact most saints (If not all) are lightspeed, because they have achieved the 7th sense.

Through the mastery of the 7th sense, a Saint overall all senses and perception is increased. It burns one own Cosmo to a higher standard. Thus grant Light Speed movements, physical augmentation, more energy to command. One is able to farther explore its cosmo, and develop unique abilities through the 7th sense. The 7th sense, even replaces or substitutes lost human senses including the 6th sense.

Yes, they can recreate the big bang on A SMALL SCALE which means that NO, they are not universe busters. Heck it took all the power from all the GOLD SAINTS to duplicate the SUNS power on A SMALL SCALE. Again lol.

Ah yes sorry that was my fault, the wording was bad there. Yes they can recreate the big bang on a small scale and the suns power on a small scale, both of which would kill every being in DBZ if it was used against them... So yeah lol to you because if anything you made it seem worse. You would have been better leaving it instead of having me correct myself to make the attack even greater.

No that wasn't the main character Seiya is hence, hence title of the series Saint Seiya. You know it really make you look ignorant, desperate, mad and over all a bad debater when you try to lie and use gag feats when you have lost.

Having read that I dont think you even know what Saint Seiya is, you do know that the main charater is Pegasus Seiya? and the guy who hurt him was Pegasus Seiya... yeah now im starting to doubt your understanding of SS (And here is me only realising now that you might be trolling haha (Scarcasm)).

Oh lol I just re-read your post and realised that you think the main character is actually called Saint Seiya! Oh great that made me laugh thanks. ^_^

Oh that was good haha, well done. What next the main character of Death Note is called "Death"?

But I only joke, but you really need to pay more attention to what you are reading lol.

Yes, indeed, because you proved that with such vivid,clear and detailed explanations that were backed up by feats, right.

More or less already laid out here so go ahead and tell us all of Friezas feats. As said Ginyu for is a non-factor.

That was fun.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Frieza & Ginyu force(anime&movie) vs Saint Seiya Verse (Original)

@Destinyheroknight: Its not even the links that are bad, He has the audacity to copy + paste the same fight, but adding the Ginyu Force this time because he thinks it will make a difference to the outcome.

But we are right this will be locked regardless.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Frieza & Ginyu force(anime&movie) vs Saint Seiya Verse (Original)

@The_original_goku10000: Your thread was not locked by an "Inept Mod" for a start, they are doing their job looking stupid threads like this one and that one. Not to mention it was against the rules and a major stomp in favor of Saint Seiya.

Let me be the first to tell you that this is the most idiotic thing I have seen so far. Making a thread with just Frieza againtst the SS Verse as a whole, and thinking it got locked because of the imcompetance of a Moderator. To then go a create another thread and thinking that the Ginyu force will make a difference.

You could put the whole DBZ against the Saint Seiya verse and they would still lose simply because of the immense power the SS verse has. Athena Exclamation would be a good example of an attack that would wipe out the DBZ verse with ease, not to mention the Olympian Gods such as Poseidon or Athena, or even the Titans like Chronos etc.

Those are some of the lowest showing possible for them, if you would have checked some of the higher showings then maybe you might not make threads such as this.

I can also tell you for free that this thread will be locked too, Incase you were wondering.

Oh I also forgot to tell you that in the first link on the next page, they break out...

The second link, I would direct you to Athena Exclamation.

Third link, yes that was an illusion, but they do have FTL feats for speed, and many of them.

Fifth link... They didnt die...

Sixth link, Refer to third link.

Oh Gold Saints are not Galaxy busters, With Athena Exclamation they can recreate the big bang making them universe busters ^_^

Yeah that was the main character, your point is? Goku was hurt by a rock and cut by glass.

As for the not hurting or tagging Frieza, he will be dead before he even realises what the hell is going on.

Post by Yusuke52 (425 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Gotenks Vs. Wonder Woman

@Newdeath: Im not so sure that Gotenks would win regardless of the scenario, Given that Wonder Woman deflected the combined attack of multiple people (Some of which were Skyfather Level). Not to mention she is faster than Gotenks, and has the Godwave, which is nothing short of a Skyfather killer. She also tanked an attack from Nekron. And also took a point blank heat vision blast from Superman going all out (I believe he thought she was Doomsday), and we all know how powerful Supermans heat vision is.

She has various magical weapons such as her Tiara that was stated to cut almost anything, a good showing would be when she cut Superman with it. And her sword forged by Hephaestus which was able to shave the electrons off an atom.

Her combat speed and reaction speed were said to be in excess of Supermans so she would be able to dodge almost any attack he could through at her.

She also has a good durability feat when she was punched from the sun by Superman (Who also had gained power from the sun) flying FTL into the Earth and was only stunned for a few seconds.

I dont think her strength needs to be covered since she helped move the moon and earth with ease.

At the end of the day, with fights like this you would have people from both sides trying to one up the other (I will just assume I will be the only person defending Diana regardless of in character or not). So it really just depends on the way you view each character.

I personally think that Diana is more than capable of taking out Gotenks with one or two punches (Wont even need Godwave), But I respect your analysis all the same.

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