Yusuke52 (Level 16)

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@The_original_goku10000 said:

@Yusuke52 Said:

You really cant be this stupid and ignorant...

LOLOLOLOLOL, did this imbecile really just call me stupid and ignorant. LOLOLOLOLOL

You then go on to say that "I never said he warped Universes". Bit of a contradiction there my friend, Oh but thats not all.

I never said that you idiot, you know what lets make this simple, find my quote saying that exact same thing as you just said I said or else concede.

You keep saying "He warped universes/dimensions/realms" and that "Dimensions vary in size" and then going on to say "I never said he warped universes".

Oh jesus fucken christ it keeps repeating the same bullshit, Like I said before find my quote saying that or concede.

You see the funny thing about this is that you seem to have overlooked the fact that you have just contradicted yourself outright multiple times now given that you have typed up the plural tense for universes, dimensions, and realms on more than one occasion.

No, you see whats really funny here is.... yeah, you, making an ass out of yourself.

Care to explain your mistake there because going by what you say, you believe that Janemba warped universes, dimensions, and/or realms. Which one is it? And bear in mind that four times previous you were adamant that it was Universes.

There's no mistake there I clearly said Universes/realms/dimensions what ever you prefer, the problem her is your lack of reading comprehension.

And this was after you stated in your opening posts that he warped UNIVERSES, outright multiple times as I have shown above by quoating EXACTLY what you said. Why make yourself look like an even bigger fool and try and dispute that by saying "I didnt say that, I said this" even though anyone can go back and see the proof. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

I'm sure anybody that went back to read what I wrote and what you claimed is really agreeing with this " Ignorance is bliss".

Fun fact for you, when someone refers to a universe they think of something so large that it cannot be comprehended or measured.

Well, seeing how you probably can't grasp how big something such as earth is, compared to another person with an average IQ your version of a universe is very small.

So yeah its safe to assume that their universe is around the same size as ours, given how far life has evolved in that universe.

Prove it. Did you just admitted janemba is stronger than hades.

I never said anything about Haki because it share no traits with Ki/Chakra/Reiatsu/Spirit Energy at all... I can't do that? Uhhh, Yeah I kinda did mate.

"Busoshoku Haki, which allows the user to use their spirit as armor to defend against attacks or to make their own attacks more potent." Isn't it funny how much this type of haki share the same trait as ki both ki and haki can make armor and there attacks stronger via spirit. Wait there's more

That does not show how strong he is, that shows that he has no control over his own powers, which is what I said. Way to fail

Are you serious or just stupid. If someone does something as side affect without even knowing they did it then that means they did it casually which means if they have control over it they can do a lot more if they wanted.

You say you never claimed that and then you directly went on to say "All I said was janemba warped universes/dimension/realms" Just contradicted yourself again there, You must have noticed all this by now...

No, I have not because thus far I have not stated that dbz dimension is as big as our universe.

Then why tell me to go and complain to him at all, if you didn't care? That was just you wasting time typing that up dumbass.

Your obviously to stupid to understand even if I did explain it to you so I'm not going to bother.

Above me? How would that be contradicting myself if someone else said it...

Yusuke52 Said = YOU SAID: Oh and if he was as powerful at warping reality as you say he (You know, since you made out that he warped reality with ease on a multiversal scale)

Goku = I SAID: You don't have to take my word for it just watch the first minutes of the movie, Fusion Reborn.

YOU SAID: I have, And what that shows is that he done so without even realising it, a mere side effect of his existance if you will. ( Here you > Imply he did warp dimensions)

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I SAID: Hey I don't make the movies, go complain to akira about that. Fact is Janemba warped dimensions/universes/realms with ease, deal with it.

YOU SAID: I would not be complaining to Akira, He did not direct or write the screen play for the movie... And yeah no he didn't as I have said above. (Here you contradicted yourself )

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I SAID:

I actually don't give a rats ass to whom you go complain. Above you just said he did warp dimensions, way to contradict you're self ,bro.

You are Yusuke52 right.

To which I have to say Hades still beats him because his attacks are stronger, he is more durable and much faster than Janemba could ever hope to be.

You have yet to prove that.

Far to early in the morning for me (And right before work too so that does not help in the slightest..), but I will skim over the important parts and give a quick reply.

1. Yes, this so called "Imbecile" did. Good that you could understand that sentence.

2. This is the part where I took what you said from your previous posts, to which you then say "I never claimed that" (Just to reference what you "Never claimed" You said this in reply to my post quoating you saying that he warped universes) despite having said "Janemba is capable of warping Universes (Plural meaning more than one)". Everything underlined and in bold is what you said. (As you asked for a quoat, there you go. Exactly the same? Nah it was never going to be since I typed that up as a short version of what you were saying, but as it shows below, its so fucking close to it, I could shave the hairs off a spiders arse. Gotta love the Game of Thrones reference)

Her da Derp, I never claimed that, all I said was janemba warped universes/dimensions/realms and that dimensions vary in size, I sense great lack of reading comprehension from you. I'm still waiting for the prove of dbz dimensions being small.

Ah got to love the ability to look back on posts and notice how full of BS you are, 4 days and 1 hour ago you posted this.
Yes, Janemba did not destroy a universe but he did beat a person that was shaking universes just by transforming and he also warped universes with no effort what so ever.
Now forgive me here but I believe "universes" to be the plural tense, implying more than one. You never stated dimensions or realms there but refered to them all as universes. So yes you did my friend the proof is right there in your own post. You then go on to say this:
As to warping heaven and hell that is a very impressive feat I mean it's no walk in the park warping entire universes
And this:
janemba is capable of warping universes but cannot warp 2 human sized people that are masters at controlling ki.
And again...:
janemba is capable of warping universes but cannot warp 2 human sized people that are masters at controlling ki. "
So yeah you did make a claim they they were universal in size, or was this all a big plot by Janemba, was he reality warping you to say these things? I sense a great lack of memory from you as you somehow overlooked that fact that YOU wrote these things, not me or anyone else here.
So once again prove to us they are universal in size since you made the claim they were... four times.

I'll say this again I never ever, ever stated the size of said universe only that it was a universe/realm/dimension. Fun fact universes also vary in size just like dimensions.

3. Refer to #2.

4. Says the guy who has claimed more than once that Janemba was warping more than one Universe (Many refrences, you then started to say dimensions, then you moved onto realms, and then you just started stating all three.), and implied that his reality warping was superior or equal to Hades.

5. Yeah you clearly did say that, problem is that you fail to define which one it is and then you say "which ever you prefer". That tells me that even you dont know what he warped, and on the scale he done so if you cannot be specific about it. How about you tell me what you think he warped and the scale of his reality warping (Universal, Multiversal.) and we can go from there, and be specific about it.

6. Yeah they will when they see what you wrote.

7. If I can recall some numbers from years ago, The Earth has a surface area of around 500,000,000 km2 - 550,000,000 km2. Its somewhere in that range I believe, I can get the correct number if you wish. As for the size of the universe, within the first second of the big bang the newly forming universe expanded out to 4 lightyears, which is already hard to visualise, given the sheer scale of a single lightyear let alone 4. All of that was within the first second, and if I can recall another number I believe the size of the observable universe is something like 90... maybe 100 billion lightyears in size. And once again I can get the correct number if you wish.

Frankly I dont see why you are trying to bring my IQ into this, what I will tell you is that I have tested, and been tested multiple times for my IQ score and it was, on all occasions, in the range of 130-150. Which I can now tell you puts me well above "Average" so yeah I dont see what purpose my IQ score has here so dont bring it up again...

8.

Prove it. Did you just admitted janemba is stronger than hades.

I think that is ment to be a question, if it is then no I didnt "admitted" that Janemba is stronger than Hades. Hades created a hyper-universe, among many things (like we said many time before), so that puts him above Janemba's alteration of, as you say "Universes/dimensions/realms" (Seriously, just say which one you think it is, because we are going to get nowhere until we do), like we have been saying.

9. Ah yes Haki... Where do I begin? I guess I can start with my mistake first. Yes my wording there was poor on my part, what I ment to say was something more akin to "The similarities between them and Haki are few and far between. Let me go into more detail for you.

Haki can be one of 3 types, which already sets it apart from the others.

Haki is considered a technique in and of itself, which also sets it apart from the others (Because they FUEL techniques)

And finally Haki MUST be learned to aquire it in any form (One is not born automatically using Haki as a lifesource), unlike Chakra, Reiatsu, Spirit Energy, or Ki which are present at birth in all living things and represent life energy.

So yeah as I said before, Haki is too far from Ki as a whole to consider it an equal, unlike the others.

10. Yeah they could do alot more if they had control over it... The problem there is that he has no control over it, and never will, which is why it wont do him any good in a fight. So what point is there to keep arguing on this?

11. dbz dimension? I think you mean DBZ-Verse or Universe. And as I have said before, make up your mind on which one or two of your 3 choices you would like to base his reality warping on. You make a fair point, you never said it was as big as our universe. So I ask you this one question. How big, in comparison to our own universe, do you think the Dragon Ball Universe is (If you think that Heaven and Hell are equal in size to our universe then add them in and call it "Multiversal in size" if not then given me a rough estimation based on what you have seen and define the size of each place individually).

I am giving you a chance here so we can clear this up, dont waste it.

12. Go ahead and explain it anyway for everyone else here...

13. Yeah when I last checked my pseudonym is Yusuke52, But I can also see that not once in my reply to you did I refrence or even imply "Dimensions". What I was saying was that Janemba's reality warping happened as a mere side effect of his existence, At no point in my post did I imply he was doing it on a dimensional scale. You are the one who came to this strange conclusion

You know what I will even give you the benifit of the doubt here, Point out the exact word that lead you to believe I implied Dimension/s from the following sentence.

I have, And what that shows is that he done so without even realising it, a mere side effect of his existance if you will.

In fact the only refrence to size in that whole quoat of yours there was when I said multiversal.

14. Nothing needs proved. Apollo reset a universe with a gesture, Hades is considered second only to Zeus. I would only need to prove something if the gap in power was minor or that one detail could change the victor. The fact is that Hades outclasses Janemba in everything, the gap in power is just too great. Is it so hard to accept, do you care that much about Dragon Ball that you cant bear to see the verse lose? Dragon Ball is strong but it is not on Saint Seiya level.

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@The_original_goku10000: You really cant be this stupid and ignorant...

In your previous post you started with these two lines

No they don't attack with the same force just with the same attack with a lot less energy.

Janemba warping universes contradicts your argument.

You then go on to say that "I never said he warped Universes". Bit of a contradiction there my friend, Oh but thats not all.

You keep saying "He warped universes/dimensions/realms" and that "Dimensions vary in size" and then going on to say "I never said he warped universes".

You see the funny thing about this is that you seem to have overlooked the fact that you have just contradicted yourself outright multiple times now given that you have typed up the plural tense for universes, dimensions, and realms on more than one occasion. Care to explain your mistake there because going by what you say, you believe that Janemba warped universes, dimensions, and/or realms. Which one is it? And bear in mind that four times previous you were adamant that it was Universes.

And this was after you stated in your opening posts that he warped UNIVERSES, outright multiple times as I have shown above by quoating EXACTLY what you said. Why make yourself look like an even bigger fool and try and dispute that by saying "I didnt say that, I said this" even though anyone can go back and see the proof. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

I'll say this again I never ever, ever stated the size of said universe only that it was a universe/realm/dimension. Fun fact universes also vary in size just like dimensions.

Fun fact for you, when someone refers to a universe they think of something so large that it cannot be comprehended or measured. So yeah its safe to assume that their universe is around the same size as ours, given how far life has evolved in that universe.

Why make yourself look like an even bigger fool and try and argue with me on this despite the fact that I have utterly made a fool out of you within the first part of my post? At least be consistent with your points in the future.

Okay, let me break this down to a level of understanding that even you can comprehend. Ki,chakra,spirit energy,and reiatsu do in fact share similar traits to AN EXTENT BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME RULES OF HOW THEY WORK, EX.) HAKI DOES NOT REIATSU CRUSH AN OPPONENT LIKE REIATSU USER FROM BLEACH DO. REIATSU DOES NOT GIVE YOU POWERS TO SEE INTO THE FUTURE LIKE HAKI DOES. SO YOU SEE, YOU CANT JUST GO LIKE, THIS UNIVERSE HAS THIS AND THIS OTHER UNIVERSE HAS THIS OTHER TYPE OF THING THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER UNIVERSES THING, THUS THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME RULES. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

I never said anything about Haki because it share no traits with Ki/Chakra/Reiatsu/Spirit Energy at all... I can't do that? Uhhh, Yeah I kinda did mate.

You just failed once again, yes he did do it without even realising it, but here's the part you fucked up on, I never, ever, ever,ever stated he was going to use it on the fight with hade's the only reason I brought up that point was to show you how strong he was, he warped universe without even noticing it and he wasn't even worn out. Way to fail

That does not show how strong he is, that shows that he has no control over his own powers, which is what I said. Way to fail

Oh and it would just be my Mothers fault, since my Father has been dead since I was 2 years old, but thanks for that anyway.

Oh, I'm very sorry to hear that.... Not ,if you really expected me to say that then you are just very overwhelmingly pathetic. You also just admitted you are stupid.

Why would I expect you to say sorry? I dont care what you think at all, I was just correcting you because you were wrong. When did I say or imply I was stupid? I said "Oh and it would just be my mothers fault", Just being the key word there, had I implied I was stupid I would have said "Oh and it was my mothers fault"... Kinda made yourself look stupid there since you didnt notice that, you are not doing anything credible for your intelligence lol.

Yusuke52 Said: Third, you were the one to first make the CLAIM that the dimension was universal in size, we are taking it at face value going by what we have seen. It is up to you to prove that it is that size, not for up to prove that it is that small since the evidence is in our favor.

"Her da Derp, I never claimed that, all I said was janemba warped universes/dimensions/realms and that dimensions vary in size, I sense great lack of reading comprehension from you. I'm still waiting for the prove of dbz dimensions being small.

You say you never claimed that and then you directly went on to say "All I said was janemba warped universes/dimension/realms" Just contradicted yourself again there, You must have noticed all this by now...

I would not be complaining to Akira, He did not direct or write the screen play for the movie... And yeah no he didn't as I have said above.

I actually don't give a rats ass to whom you go complain. Above you just said he did warp dimensions, way to contradict you're self ,bro.

Then why tell me to go and complain to him at all, if you didn't care? That was just you wasting time typing that up dumbass. Above me? How would that be contradicting myself if someone else said it...

And all in all I couldnt care less to lecture you about spelling or grammar at this point, posts are getting far too long and it is inevitable that we will make a mistake somewhere within that we will overlook, so we can overlook that for the duration of this pointless, all Im saying is type up the correct words. "Proof not Prove" etc

To summarize, you say that Janembas reality warping wont be used against Hades, it was only there to show his lack of control over (You never disputed this so that means you agree with it) it and how strong it was. To which I have to say Hades still beats him because his attacks are stronger, he is more durable and much faster than Janemba could ever hope to be. Nothing you say will make Janemba exceed Hades in observable power FACT.

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@The_original_goku10000: Oh i'm sorry when did Janemba move multiple planets out of their orbital patterns with a thought? Oh thats right he didn't, all he managed to do was make everything look like it was designed by children. All Hades managed to do was create 2 dimensions one which is universal in size and the other he controls down the laws of physics, and then created a barrier that can destroy Gold Cloths and their wielders just to name a few. But yeah Janemba turning a club into a sword (thats just matter manipulation) and using his "High Scale" reality warping was far beyond any of that...

And just for the record Hades could have destroyed the sun if he wanted to.

Yeah and of course you've notice that all of the people supporting Hades have just been stating the same thing over, and over, and over again, even though I disproved everything and they also post things like this:

Corrected that for you, and disproved what excatly? You have yet to prove us wrong on anything, you just keep coming back to Janembas "High Tier" Reality warping, which is not high tier at all, kinda pathetic really given that reality warping allows you to alter the fabric of reality to your every whim, and all he done was change the look of things. Oh Mad Jim Jaspers would be quaking in his boots at Janemba because that is some impressive stuff right there, He only warped a universe beyond recognition to the point where the only option was to destroy the timeline of that universe in order to stop his infulence from spreading to other universes, but yeah Janemba is in the same tier as him.

It's nice to know that having made one or two typos make you atrocious in English. I also enjoy fools making fools out of themselves, this clown doesn't even capitalize English in a sentence made to try to criticize my English. Then in the very next sentence he makes this blooper. "This is has", seriously just stop.

"Second if you can read at all this is has already been shown in previous posts "
Third, you were the one to first make the CLAIM that the dimension was universal in size, we are taking it at face value going by what we have seen. It is up to you to prove that it is that size, not for up to prove that it is that small since the evidence is in our favor.

Her da Derp, I never claimed that, all I said was janemba warped universes/dimensions/realms and that dimensions vary in size, I sense great lack of reading comprehension from you. I'm still waiting for the prove of dbz dimensions being small.

They were not typos they were the wrong words entirely, you also repeat this mistake again by using "prove" insead of "proof". I care very little for grammar online so as far the the capatilazation of the "E" goes I am not too bothered by that in the slightest. As for the "is" I actually ment to type something else and failed to delete the entire sentence. Funny enough I did know it was present, but I was far to tired and it was very late for me to care enough to change it. All i'm saying is at least get the words correct and stop using the wrong tense, I couldn't care less about your grammar or spelling as long as it is legible.

Ah got to love the ability to look back on posts and notice how full of BS you are, 4 days and 1 hour ago you posted this.

Yes, Janemba did not destroy a universe but he did beat a person that was shaking universes just by transforming and he also warped universes with no effort what so ever.

Now forgive me here but I believe "universes" to be the plural tense, implying more than one. You never stated dimensions or realms there but refered to them all as universes. So yes you did my friend the proof is right there in your own post. You then go on to say this:

As to warping heaven and hell that is a very impressive feat I mean it's no walk in the park warping entire universes

And this:

janemba is capable of warping universes but cannot warp 2 human sized people that are masters at controlling ki.

And again...:

janemba is capable of warping universes but cannot warp 2 human sized people that are masters at controlling ki. "

So yeah you did make a claim they they were universal in size, or was this all a big plot by Janemba, was he reality warping you to say these things? I sense a great lack of memory from you as you somehow overlooked that fact that YOU wrote these things, not me or anyone else here.

So once again prove to us they are universal in size since you made the claim they were... four times.

And the last to add to the next stage of my post.

No this is;

I guess that means that Naruto would resist Janemba's reality warping too since Chakra is derived from Ki and he has incredible control over it. Or that Yusuke for Yu Yu Hakusho would negate the effects also given that he has incredible control over his Ki (Called Spirit Energy), same would go for most Captains from Bleach (Called Reiatsu) for that matter too. All different names for the same kind of energy. Or are you going to make up more BS as to how they are vulnerable?

Your implying all of the verses that have ki have the same rules(work the same) and of course thinking this is just stupid but I cant blame you for that, its all your parents fault.

I am not implying anything, I am outright stating that Chakra, Spirit Energy, and Reiatsu all share similar properties with Ki from Dragon Ball. Despite having different names it is not unresonable to say they are very similar given that all are pools of energy stored within the body, used to make physical/spiritual attacks or strength ones body, and all appear, at default, blue in color. They are just different names for the same type of energy, so I say it again. What you are saying is that Janemba would be unable to reality warp anyone with great control over their Ki, So he is going to have a hard time warping people from those respected verses. More so Yu Yu Hakusho than the others given that it shares the closest resemblance to Ki than the others do. Oh and it would just be my Mothers fault, since my Father has been dead since I was 2 years old, but thanks for that anyway.

Oh and if he was as powerful at warping reality as you say he (You know, since you made out that he warped reality with ease on a multiversal scale)

You don't have to take my word for it just watch the first minutes of the movie, Fusion Reborn.

I have, And what that shows is that he done so without even realising it, a mere side effect of his existance if you will. Meaning his has virtually no control over this at all. Making his reality warping "low tier" and usless in a combat scenario. As we have been saying up until now. This also links back to my previous sentence about you saying "I never said he was warping multiple universes", I clearly said multiversal there and yet you didn't speak up against it...

is then he could have simply removed Ki from existence, or just made it so that the Saiyans never existed in the first place. So yeah like we have said before his reality warping is terrible when compaired to the greats.

Hey I don't make the movies, go complain to akira about that. Fact is Janemba warped dimensions/universes/realms with ease, deal with it.

I would not be complaining to Akira, He did not direct or write the screen play for the movie... And yeah no he didn't as I have said above.

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Yeah he destroys everything until Tenchi assuming that it is Kami Tenchi and not Tenchi with LHW. (But I think feats wise TOAA is better than Kami Tenchi, Logically though they are equals)

the one above recovers all his powers and stamina after every fight

Wont even need it haha.

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@SpeedForceSpider: Ah clearly you have yet to read Original Goku's compelling argument at Janemba's "Impressive" reality warping, and his "Godlike" power, When compaired to Hades, God of the Underworld, a man who slaped around Gold Saints like it was nobodys business, and who also realigned all the planets in the solar system with a thought.

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@The_original_goku10000 said:

@Yusuke52 said:

@The_original_goku10000: Its not my opinion, anyone with a brain can decern that Hades, the First God of the Underworld (Which did not exist until he became a god) created the Underworld. As for the other points, they have already been shown previous. Hades erected a barrier around Elysion to ensure that his true body would remain safe and that only God-Chosen could cross through it, I believe it took 12 Gold Saints to break through it, and as I have said before a single Gold Saint could wreck most of the Dragon Ball verse unaided, and that is not speculation that is fact since they are many times more powerful in every regard. That was in the manga too, which iirc you have supposedly read (I highly doubt that).

Now how about you show me that Janemba can affect someone with his reality warping powers, because this also works both ways you know. If you can't, then I would ask you to show us what makes Janemba more powerful than Hades.

And unfortunatly for you, you are the one who has to prove that Heaven and Hell are universal in size since you made that claim. All done was state what was obvious and that they did not appear universal, so its up to you to prove us wrong in that regard.

This actually proves my point even further, janemba is capable of warping universes but cannot warp 2 human sized people that are masters at controlling ki. "

Oh lol, when did you arrive at the conclusion that Ki negates the effects of a reality warper?

Again you need to prove that bro you repeating the same thing over and over again isn't going to prove your claim

Why should I?

I don't think you know how burned of prove works see he claimed dbz dimension was small therefore he needs to prove it.

Uh how did I come up with that conclusion let me think okay first I watched the movie then I saw as how Janemba warped Dimensions/realms/universes with ease but did not do it to 2 fighters see how that works, surely even you know that those dimensions were bigger than 2 human size people.

NewDeath Said:

Like I said before, Janemba not being able to do jacksh*t to Goku and Vegeta with reality warping except dematerializing and rematerializing to escape their attacks means they're weak beyond belief. Goku and Vegeta have no defense against reality warping. Don't give me any ki control bull, that lacks evidence. If ki control really did grant some sort of resistance, then Vegito should have been able to use ki when turned to candy, all he did was retain his ability to move, couldn't use ki to save his life, and that wasn't even reality warping, it was magic transmutation.
Janemba will get wrecked here. His low-level reality warping isn't going to sh*t. He couldn't even blink someone like Vegeta out of existence, someone who is far below him in terms of power. And now you think he's going to use reality warping on a grand scale against Hades? Yeah right.
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Okay so you just stated the same shit, I guess that's a habit on this site.

Basically what your poor argument is, is that x character has weak reality warping powers because he did not warp 2 people but did warp dimensions. I'm I correct.And you guys expect me to take you guys seriously, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

First of all your english is atrocious. (In bold above)

Second if you can read at all this is has already been shown in previous posts.

Third, you were the one to first make the CLAIM that the dimension was universal in size, we are taking it at face value going by what we have seen. It is up to you to prove that it is that size, not for up to prove that it is that small since the evidence is in our favor.

And forth that last part has to be the most retarded thing I have ever read. I guess that means that Naruto would resist Janemba's reality warping too since Chakra is derived from Ki and he has incredible control over it. Or that Yusuke for Yu Yu Hakusho would negate the effects also given that he has incredible control over his Ki (Called Spirit Energy), same would go for most Captains from Bleach (Called Reiatsu) for that matter too. All different names for the same kind of energy. Or are you going to make up more BS as to how they are vulnerable?

Prove all of what you said to me with written or visual proof, and not what you THINK is happening.

Oh and if he was as powerful at warping reality as you say he (You know, since you made out that he warped reality with ease on a multiversal scale) is then he could have simply removed Ki from existence, or just made it so that the Saiyans never existed in the first place. So yeah like we have said before his reality warping is terrible when compaired to the greats.

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Battles » Akatsuki vs Shichibukai

@taichokage: Not to mention that Orochimarus Edo Tensei is inferior to Kabutos in every possible way given that he has to destroy their personality to control them effectively because he didnt know better at the time, and not to mention that he knows very little about the technique given that he also tried to revive Minato. So I dont think he would be a credible source of immortality. Frankly Orochimaru would do more good on the field than off.

Also, I am unsure of the rules of this match mind you, but wouldn't Blackbeard be able to one-shot Tobi due to the negating effects of his Yami Yami no Mi, assuming equalization is on and that Chakra=DF/Haki?

But if not then its as you said before, for him to attack he has to go tangible and that would be a death sentence.

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Battles » Akatsuki vs Shichibukai

@TheNobody: Destinyheroknight and Taichokage are correct, Kabuto is not a member of the Akatsuki. And besides if he used Hidan as a host for the soul of a dead shinobi, then Hidan would lose his body and soul regardless. Being physically immortal does not mean that he cannot die by having his soul replaced (Besides they could literally tear his limbs off and leave him in a pile).

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Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Sinister_Noob: Good "Debating" with you!

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Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@The_original_goku10000: Its not my opinion, anyone with a brain can decern that Hades, the First God of the Underworld (Which did not exist until he became a god) created the Underworld. As for the other points, they have already been shown previous. Hades erected a barrier around Elysion to ensure that his true body would remain safe and that only God-Chosen could cross through it, I believe it took 12 Gold Saints to break through it, and as I have said before a single Gold Saint could wreck most of the Dragon Ball verse unaided, and that is not speculation that is fact since they are many times more powerful in every regard. That was in the manga too, which iirc you have supposedly read (I highly doubt that).

Now how about you show me that Janemba can affect someone with his reality warping powers, because this also works both ways you know. If you can't, then I would ask you to show us what makes Janemba more powerful than Hades.

And unfortunatly for you, you are the one who has to prove that Heaven and Hell are universal in size since you made that claim. All done was state what was obvious and that they did not appear universal, so its up to you to prove us wrong in that regard.

This actually proves my point even further, janemba is capable of warping universes but cannot warp 2 human sized people that are masters at controlling ki. "

Oh lol, when did you arrive at the conclusion that Ki negates the effects of a reality warper?

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Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@The_original_goku10000: Are you serious? You want me to prove that Hades, Lord and Creator of the Underworld, God of Hell, and King of the Dead created the Underworld? I should not even have to explain how stupid that is. Even Hades in God of War governs everything within the Underworld. The Super Universe was already shown not 18 posts ago, and Only gods can enter Elysion so yes I am sure he had a hand in its creation to.

Hades is a much more powerful reality warper than Janemba could ever be. That is fact, nothing you say will change that.

Aside from the fact that Hades is the Lord of the Underworld and has control of every soul in that dimension, he brought back multiple saints the The Hades arc. Not impressive? Given that a single Gold Saint such as Virgo Shaka could wreck most of the Dragon Ball verse with relitive ease, and the barrier destroys them instantly including their Gold Cloth, And I believe it took 12 of them to get past it. Yeah not impressive at all...

Altering the appearance of dimensions is basic reality warping, given that most reality warpers worth their salt can use it to their advantage in a combat scenario, or use it on a universal scale with complete control. Janemba could alter the appearance of dimensions just from being alive, that points towards the fact that he has virtually no control over his powers in that regard and they only occure as a side effect of his existence. He is also incabable you using it in a combat scenairo, and not becasue of your "Ki negates Reality Warping" for the simple fact that if Janemba could use it in combat then he could have just altered reality to amp himself to a level far above the cast of Dragon Ball. But he didn't, so dont speculate that he can.

Anything he may do to the area they are in, Hades could easily rectify.

Hades would be able to wipe out most, if not all of Dragon Ball given that he outclasses them in every possible stat. So no Janemba is not going to win, dont turn this into another Frieza vs SS thread.

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@The_original_goku10000: @The_original_goku10000: prove that the dimension was in fact, universe size...im sure you cant

the fact of the matter is that he was still turned into a piece of candy, it doesnt matter if his personality was kept

Exactly.

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Battles » imperiex (DC comics) runs the gauntlet

@taichokage: Thats what I was thinking too.

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Battles » imperiex (DC comics) runs the gauntlet

He would breeze throught until Hades.

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Battles » DBZ Janemba ( Both Transformations ) VS. Hades Saint Seiya

@The_original_goku10000: Jenemba is not going to out reality warp Hades, given that the latter created and governs the laws of physics in the Underworld, created another Utopian world for the God-Chosen and linked them together with a super universe that contains billions of galixies, and he also created bodys for the resurrected Gold Saints and erected a barrier to protect Elysion that could completely destroy Gold Cloths and the people using them, bypassing all durability that Gold Cloths have.

All Janemba could do was alter dimensions slightly because he was alive, and iirc he didn't even have control over his reality warping, he is a very low tier reality warper.

Infact he is a better matter manipulator than he is a reality warper.

Haruhi, an all round weaker character with no control over her powers at all (She didnt even know they existed in the first place) managed to reset the universe. And that puts her even higher up the reality warping tree than Janemba.

Janemba is outclassed by Hades horribly in every aspect of his existence

@Newdeath: This is the same guy who thought that Frieza would beat the SS verse...

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Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Sinister_Noob: I believe you were the one who incited an argument with me, right around when you dismissed my entire post and called it all "speculation" (And then called me stupid) even after I went into detail about each point proving you wrong on all accounts. An argument that you will not win I would like to add (Mostly due to your lack of thought or imagination in your posts). So if you have nothing constructive to say in your future "Posts" then dont even waste my time or yours with it, thanks.

Troll: Someone whos goal is to incite a flame-war or start a useless argument to hinder others (Which is kinda what you are doing, and if you reply to this with any more "Troll, you're not right, I am" then that just solidifies this point entirely, because that shows that you cant let it go to save your life.)

Go ahead and think that Naruto can bust islands and that he will beat both of them, I couldnt even care anymore. Not like it matters in the slightest what you think anyway at this point, since everyone else is more or less saying Ichigo wins.

Oh and yes I am correct on all my points, because you have yet to dispute any of my points at all, which can only mean either, they are correct or you are just too stupid and/or lazy to even try your hand at calling me out on them. But go ahead prove me wrong. I would love it if you could prove me wrong, so go for it.

Oh and its you're not your. Good english costs nothing.

Oh and yeah it means exactly what I thought it ment in the first place. Quoated from Liquid in our PM. "No limits on abilities. All current powers are available and movie powers are included. Chakra and stuff can still run out." Just another point there I was correct on, which is funny because according you I was wrong...

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Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Sinister_Noob: Please, just because I am right and you are wrong that makes ME a troll? You are the one whos first post in this thread was "You sir are a moron" (Sorry let me correct myself there, It was one of your starting posts.) and then went on to claim Naruto can "Blow the island to bits". If anyone is the troll here its you, Because I have been fair to all people involved in this match up "Kid". Do you even know how old I am anyway? I grew out of the description "Kid" MANY years ago my friend.

Why dont you come up with some new insults and get back to me, or you could give us some feats that would let Naruto blow up an island. Either would do, but preferably both.

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Battles » Dalek vs Pacifista

@ohgodwhy: A Dalek is very powerful given that the Gunstick is able to kill sentient lifeforms instantly (Very few can survive one shot). The Daleks shields should also be able to stand up to multiple direct hits from the Pacifista Beam, it is capable of utterly destroying a bullet the second it touches the shield (The Dalekanium metal is also highly resistant to lasers and other forms of damage).

Also Dalek Sec of the Cult of Skaro bragged about how "We would destroy the entire Cyberman army with ONE Dalek" and that army was 5 million strong, He also went on to say that the Cybermen were superior in only one aspect, and that was "They were better at dying".

But you are correct that they are VERY slow, But they make up for that with their ability to fly. And with that it could simply fly well above the earth and rain hell down upon the Pacifista.

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Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Sinister_Noob: Ah yes inadvertently calling me stupid are we? Lower yourself to my level? You are already there my friend, dont try to big yourself up. I think you mean fighting my "intellect with your stupidity", and yes I can see you haven't had to do it in years because I can't see many people being as stupid as you.

This coming from the guy who claimed that Naruto would "Jump above the island and blow it to bits" even though I made no such outlandish comment in regards to anyone elses power.

This coming from a guy who calls other people morons, even when what they said (Or replied to) were true.

This coming from a guy who thinks that "No-Limits" constitutes "Unlinited Chakra, Reiatsu etc", Even though the correct term would be something along the lines of "Nothing is limiting their power in anyway" and when last I checked Chakra does not limit a ninjas power, In fact it increases their power overall (Who would have thought that?!?). Of course looking at that from a less intelligent stand point I can see where you got this idea from (I believe you are the only one here to even mention Unlimited Chakra or Energy... What does that tell you?), so it could mean that for all I know. Frankly it would have been easier to say "Unlimited Energy".

This coming from a guy who thinks that Tobi's army is going tie against WWH.

This also coming from a guy who said he could not find a refrence to Ichigo's Mach 28 feat (Even going as far as to atribute the feat to "Fillers", even though it happend in his final fight with Aizen), which after reading your reply I typed into google "Ichigo Mach 28 Sword Swing" and it was the first result... (Didn't look at all did you?)

Yeah but I can see your point, im the stupid one.

I have given numbers, feats and so on for all three characters (Ichigo and Luffy mostly), you have yet to give me anything that constitutes a proper debate other than calling me stupid (Or more accurately my comment), calling another guy a moron, and claiming that all Naruto has to do is jump above the island and blow it up.

Oh and just for the record even if naruto had unlimited chakra his BM cloak would still run out after 5 mins (I can't see him losing all his chakra when it runs out, that would make Tobi's job very easy indeed not to mention he would be dead because of it), and he would be left to the mercy of 2 significently faster stronger and more durable opponents. What YOU would like is "Unlimited Cloak" not "Unlimited Chakra".

But I am not one to insult people (Unlike yourself) unless they deserve it (You kinda do), so I will apologise if you took offence by anything I said here. (If you did I more than likely won't lose sleep over it anyway.)

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Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Sinister_Noob: If you are not going to read the whole post then why reply in the first place? At least read the post before you reply, it's common courtesy.

100% speculation? umm no its not, in fact they go quite in depth into the feat.

Also Naruto does not have the "Full" power of the Nine Tail's since Minato brought half of Kurama's power with him to the grave. I have no idea what the 4 tails combined has to do with this... Yes it is big, that also makes it a bigger target, and "Anyone who touches it will burn?" When did this happen? If that was the case then Kakashi and Guy would be slowly roasting to a crisps right now.

Luffy's strength is in excess of 5,000 Tonnes at any one time (Likely more, just cant put a definitive number on it). I you think he can't lift Naruto then something is very wrong here, As for Ichigo. He casually destroyed hills with nothing more than strength, so he would also be able to simply "Push" naruto and his big ass cloak straight into the volcano, like he did with Aizens face. Aizen, a man who blitzed 4 captains at once, one of which was Soi-Fon who was regarded as one of the top tiers in Bleach for speed, was shocked when Ichigo suddenly grabbed him by the face and brought him to the outskirts of Karakura Town to face plant him into the ground in the span of a few seconds. Ichigo's Post Dangai incarnation is all about strength, Virtually every feat he has in that form is strength based. So dont tell me that they won't be able to overpower Naruto physically.

Ichigo had so much reiatsu that Aizen in his third from could not even feel it, what is your point exactly? His Chakra is not directly tied to how long he can remain in his BM cloak, he only has 5 minutes in which to overpower faster and all round stronger characters before he loses the only thing that puts him ahead of both. Frankly he might be able to take out Luffy (I have made a case against that earlier in the thread) but for him to take out both before his cloak runs out is impractical, unethical and frankly impossible. Naruto can keep charging up his bombs until the sky turns red, Ichigo can just detonate them in his face with a sword swing, or dare I say it? A wave of his hand. And yes we are thinking of the same Naruto, considering he only has 4 forms its not too hard to discern the difference between them.

anyways, good luck with getting a reply from the OP, i'll be waiting, and please for the love of god, just PM me about it, dont throw it in a fucking debate.

Is that not the point of this thread? I mean it is a debate, and I am trying to clear a situation up for your own good. What good would it do if I sent it to you via PM? Nobody else would be able to see it then. Lol I think you might have stumbled into the wrong section...

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Battles » Luffy vs Ichigo vs Naruto (New Scenario)

@Sinister_Noob: That is also what Rukia thought, not just the enemy (I also would say that Yukio would have no reason to say "Even I cant shut it down" if he didnt mean it, as that would be directly aimed at Ichigo's next feat of power. Im sure that with the combined knowledge of Byakuya, Hitsugaya, and Kenpachi If they thought they could break through it they would have tried. The fact is they didnt, which could only mean they didnt think there would be any point.

I got those numbers because, Ichigo's sword swings were calced at mach 28 (Look it up), and Naruto in his Sage mode was cacled at mach 5.5, I would say logically he is around 3 times faster than that now (And that is very generous indeed I might add). And hence where I "Got the fucking numbers" as you so kindly put it.

What I see in that quoat is that, they are both fighting at peak strength, Which they are. They have no limits holding them back from full power (Alucard and his seals, Edo Tensei and the personality seal etc), which they dont. And that Movie attacks are acceptable, which they are. How exactly did you get "Naruto wins" from this?

Unless you see the "No Limits" as that their energy has no limits and therefore will never run out? Quite a far jump from the conventional meaning of that phrase, but just for clarity I shall PM the OP and find out the meaning in detail.

Also in defence to that I also bring you to the OP and say that the Volcano in the center of the Island is indestructible and Ichigo and Luffy could easily use that as a shield against Naruto's Bijuu Dama. Not to mention that Ichigo or Luffy could very easily pick up, and throw Naruto (Cloak and all) into the Magma which is an instant kill (No exceptions). We have already came to the desision that Ichigo and Luffy are much faster than Naruto (He did get a speed boost just not a big enough one, what he wins in is raw destructive power not speed) so dodging his close range attacks would be little trouble, and the only other attack he seems to be able to use while that cloak is up is the Bijuu Dama, which as I have said they could very easily block via the Volcano and then throw him into it.

If I were you I would not say something along the lines of "Naruto could throw them into it" becasue that is not the case given how weak he is physically compaired to Ichigo, let alone Luffy.

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