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Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Good Buu vs Midora & Magneto

@taichokage: You misunderstand if you think of it as conceited.  And I agree that replace was the wrong word. Although we seem to be on the same page on the fact he makes the majority the minority by controlling the deviant atoms now, my original points still stand; Midora can't resist Erik's hax, given he mimicked and not resisted minority world, and to what extent this ability has outside the Toriko-verse is indeterminable. 
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Good Buu vs Midora & Magneto

@taichokage:

If that was your question, you asked it in a very weird way (quarks and controlling matter?). Hopefully my last post answered it though." Mentioning his ability to control photons was just to showcase his range of his manipulation of particles."

And Ichiryuu can't "apply the square root law", it's just a law that states for so many atoms there are this many deviant atoms. He controls these minority (deviant) atoms and makes them the majority (hint: MINORITY WORLD). He does not cause other regular atoms to conform, he rules them out so there effects are negligible. This is why Midora's resistance to it can't be applied to any of Mags' hax, since Midora controls the minority atoms himself.

Here are some scans to jog your memory:

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Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Good Buu vs Midora & Magneto

@taichokage: Huh? What does manipulating quarks and if photons are physical are not have do with Mags or anything I just said?  I never said Mags is an outright matter manipulator on a quark level. Mentioning his ability to control photons was just to showcase his range of his manipulation of particles.
 
And Ichiryuu slowly replaced  the regular atoms with the minority in their vicinity. He states this during their battle. He never said he had control over regular atoms, he simply replaced them all. 
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Good Buu vs Midora & Magneto

@taichokage: IIRC Midora only resisted minority world because he was able to mimic the ability of controlling minority atoms. The difference here is that Mags controls regular atoms and even sub-atomic particles like photons. Minority world does not. You can argue that Midora could replace all his atoms with minorities to resist Mags' hax, but this would take awhile as it did in his fight with Ichiryuu, and not to mention there's no way to tell to what extent he can do this outside the Toriko universe since minority atoms are unique to that verse. With that said, all Mags' hax should still apply here. 
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Good Buu vs Midora & Magneto

You guys forgot about Erik's wormholes. He could just wormhole Buu into the sun (@GeneralVan:  which is how he beat Buu in the OBD iirc  ), but that's if hes at normal levels of course. And there's also the fact Mags is the fastest here (in reactions at least) by a fairly large margin. That would allow him to land his hax more times than not.  
 
@Jinbeifan1  said: 

@cameron83: Oh I admit, he is amazing at his strongest, but even then, someone such as Midora has the hax to battle with him. And while his barriers are amazing, Hungry Tongue is the best counter for it. In fact if Mags underestimated the power of Hungry Tongue, he'd get killed quite quick. Hungry Space is also something he'd have no way of stopping, so basically it'd be who can kill who first. Mags without his barriers has low durability, but Midora has planet level + durability and hax enough to counter.

Given the chance, Midora could take Mags out without doubt. But with the speed gap between the two, that chance will probably never happen. Mags is pretty ruthless and would off Midora quick even while in character, and he has a plethora of ways to do it. If it were a speed equal battle though, it would just be who hits who first.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Ichiryuu & Goku vs Black Bolt & World Breaker Hulk

@Jinbeifan1: Yeah, based on feats, he's not beating the Surfer, but he would put up a fight. It would be the same with Thor since Thor ~ Surfer. Still though, he is more than powerful enough to solo this battle. 
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Ichiryuu & Goku vs Black Bolt & World Breaker Hulk

@SentinelOfLiberty:  
I'm pretty sure BB doesn't have cosmic awareness, unless he got a new upgrade I'm unaware of.
 
 @Jinbeifan1
When BB fought Hulk and lost, it was in World War Hulk which I believe is non-canon, plus the BB during that time was a Skrull imposter. They have fought  long ago (like during the 80s or 70s IIRC) and BB won. And BB is usually portrayed at about mid-high herald level, meaning around Silver Surfer and Thor. 
 
 Also, yeah he's soloing this battle.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Monster Trio vs 3 Deadly Sins

3 Deadly Sins: Melodias, Ban, and  King 

Monster Trio: Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro

Conditions

State of Mind: Bloodlust 
Speed Equal 
No PIS or CIS 
Post-Time Skip Trio

Location

    
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Law vs Kuma vs Nagato vs Barragan

@Justice:  
Given the visual effects of Respira, that's just over-thinking it and is most definitely not the case. 
 
On another note, I agree with Boxer_Joe and Kurohige on Respira not being a type of  time manipulation, but rotting instead. How Barragan died, the visual effects of respira, and his release command seal the deal for me. 
 
For this battle, I see Kuma or Law having the upper-hand here. My knowledge on Nagato is a little rusty, but I don't recall him having any hax or just moves that he would use right-off the bat to kill these guys. Respira could prove fatal to anyone here, but can be easily evaded by anyone here as well. Kuma and Law won't be afraid to use their hax at the start for the win, plus they should be the faster of the 4 coupled with precognition. They would be able to use Respira to their advantage to win if they need to also. Between the two, it could either way. Depends who not only acts first, but smarter. With that said, I see Kuma taken it more times than not with Law coming in close for second.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@619locust: I just meant drawing things consistently as for their size, not his scientific accuracy which I agree with that is not up to par. Most ficitional authors are the same though. 
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage: Oh, I thought you mean how could a mesa be that big by the way you worded the question, my bad. But if you want to understand why it 's scaled as big as it is just read the calc. And the way it looks to you personally really has nothing to do with objective measurements. Also, no one said it was mid-country size.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage said:

That's average country level. That doesn't mean 100 tetratons couldn't level a small country. And how on earth would the Mesa Sensui busted be anywhere near mid country size? Even Yomi only busted an island with a punch.

Where are you getting 100 teratons from? And the mesa was in the demon world, not on earth, meaning its a completely a fictional object; so how it got as big as it did really doesn't matter. And Yomi hasn't busted anything, unless your referring to the anime fight which isn't even cannon.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage  said: 

2000x the Tsar Bomba, a bomb that at 50 megatons sent a shockwave around the world twice only is island level? Are you talking about Australia island level?

 "XXX level" refers to what actually gets destroyed, not after effects. "island level" means atleast 2,400,000,000,000 m^3  (about the volume of Mt. Everest for comparison)  of stone-like material fragmented, 4,380,000,000 m^3 of stone-like material melted, or 624,000,000 m^3 of stone-like material vaporized. A 4.6 gigaton yield at the very least. There's also other factors such as different materials other than stone, blast area, etc..
  
"Country level" doesn't start till 7 teratons, destroying the average country area (767,731 square kilometers or smaller than Turkey but larger than Chile for comparison). 
  
You can read more about it here to understand where "XXX level " comes from.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage said:
Kubo is that author. Look at Azashiro vs Juubito thread OP. the Seireitei looks considerably larger than other images.
You mean the anime image in the OP? It shows it a completely different angle, that's about it. 
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage said:

It really isn't that big. While large, it is not country level like this meteor is scaled at. I've watched Hakusho twice and read the Sensui vs Yusuke fight to see if there were differences. It's just not that big.

According to the scaling I linked previously, the mesa is bigger than most landforms here on earth excluded continents. And who put the meteor at country level? 100 gigatons is only island level.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@othus12: No longer accepted by whom exactly? Unless the author is known to incosistently scale objects in a panel constantly, pixel scaling is a valid method. From what I can see, Kubo isn't one of these authors. 
 
And a 10 day  walk is such a vague statement, trying to get the size of  seiretei with it would be far less accurate attempt rather than just scaling it.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage:  
Oh, well you just said "a meteor", so i though you meant any sort of meteor. I do agree though, destroying Gremmy's meteor is far more impressive than busting most landforms on earth aside from continents of course. But the mesa that Sensui destroyed puts the meteor to shame. Their volumes are so far apart that even coupled with it's velocity the energy required to destroy the meteor is far below the mesa's.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@taichokage said:

And busting a meteor is considerably more impressive than a mountain or mesa. 

Depends on the size. And speed as well.
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Post by YouFinished (1,027 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Sensui vs Kenpachi

@eddz99 said:

If that meteor hit our earth, it would be the end of the world, yet kenpachi managed to fodderize the meteor without trying.

@YouFinished:

Kenpachi hasn't even used both hands + eyepatch, considering that he was using less than 10% of his power, it is highly possible.

And with all the hype, i don't see why not?

Where are you getting "less then 10%"  from? I don't recall the amount by which kendo and no eye patch increases his power ever being stated. Even if we assume it doubles his current power, he'd still be weaker than Sensui. The shockwave from Sensui's punches alone are calced at 296 gigatons as a low end, while Kenpachi is sitting on only 116 gigatons. Not to mention the speed gap between them.  
 
And to understand the gap between Sensui and prime Raizen, it's worth noting that Yusuke and Sensui were weaker than Hokushin, who's power level was at 36,000. The strongest of the three kings', Mukuro, power level comes in at 1,575,000, making her about 43x stronger than Hokushin. Now, Prime Raizen was considered the strongest of the three. Basically, Sensui and Yusuke, during Chapter Black, are considered fodder S classes.
 
So the chance of Kenny jumping that gap with kendo, no eye patch, and even bankai is highly unlikely if he's still  considerably weaker than Sensui as it is now.  Best to wait and see what happens before making any assumptions.
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