vertigo (Level 1)

Then you are calling Urahara, a man of his words, once a powerful captain of his own to command and one of the brightest minds in the scientific minds of his time to be a liar when he says Ichigo is a fighting prodigal genius after he trained him constantly for five days in the art of swords. No breaks, no sleep, no drinks, nothing. Constant training for 5 days in a row.

Are you calling him a liar?

Seeing as i have next to no knowledge of this man, other then the fact that he is considered equal to the eyes of Urahara and Ichigo's dad, i'm going to compare Ryuken's son.

Ishida compensates his lack of physical strength for insane speed, long distance archer and various traps and techniques. Otherwise he would have been nothing but a canon fodder to the espadas and Death Gods.

He could anticipate even espadas physical strength and speed and win almost any fight with his tactical mind. And with his instantaneous speed, which works like Death God version of shumpo, he can easily cut off Riku's and Sora's head before they could even react.

And his sword, which is also an arrow could be used both ways. When the blade spins in a high speed vibrations of 3 million round trips per second around the edge of the spirit partical blade, it's like a chainsaw light saber.

Also, he could shoot a 1,200 consecutively. Meaning, Riku and Sora, while noting compared to Ishida in terms of speed, would have incredible time dodging this. And what's even worse is that it ricochet individual shots against the walls or floors to shoot around corners, making the direction of the shots unpredictable, and to change the direction of his shots while in flight. Yes, he can fly lol...well, not really. More like walk in air like all high level Death Gods and Espadas and Vizards....

Limit breaks, magic, magical items and summons and Drives etc.. while extreamly versatile and very wide ranged in attack and abilities, Ishida could easily by pass them.

As long as the thread maker stated so otherwise, it's gotta be manga. Otherwise people would only get confused when both sides are talking about both anime and manga.

Slight advantage over what? a 12 year old sasuke could kick there asses and all the homocuile put together.

Speed, strength, technique, better skills....a 12 year old sasuke is better. A 15 year old naruto is curbstomp.

Ishida.

@Dream said:

" @vertigo: Nerx is right. Unless the user who made this thread specifically stated that the anime or manga versions of characters are used, then we are free to assume that both the anime and manga versions of characters are being considered for this battle. But regardless of anime or manga, Ed and Al still can't hold a flame to Naruto. "

Not possible. Manga is canon and if we have to involve anime as well, it would only give us false info since anime is not canon and thus, is not true. If we involve both, it would be like saying the Flame metal alchemist imploding a man's head from the inside out while he has never shown that kind of ability in Anime.

And like i said, anime is NOT canon.

That's weak.

When people use anime characters, it's always manga based unless stated otherwise. Ya know...since it's canon...

Anime is NOT canon. In anime, alchemy is fueled by souls of the other world, but in manga, no such thing like that exists. It is NOT canon. And the only way souls are used as fuels is when alchemists decides to make the stone, which by stealing the souls via alchemy circle in a large scale area. And only stone works by empowered by captured souls.

@shonen said:

" I've never found naruto to be fast he usually just spam clones on people and sneaks up from behind to win his fight 80 % of the times the other 20% his opponents can beat down all the clones because Naruto has no real martial arts training and he realize on nine tails to pull out a win.Al and Edward on the other hand can fight. Now compare naruto fighting style to Al and Ed  ? "

He went toe to toe again Neji, a taijutsu specialist. And clones is his specialty. Of course he'd use that technique thanks to his large chakra reserves, who wouldn't?

But current naruto who uses the clones this time is with amazing tactical skills. 

@shonen said:

" I've never found naruto to be fast he usually just spam clones on people and sneaks up from behind to win his fight 80 % of the times the other 20% his opponents can beat down all the clones because Naruto has no real martial arts training and he realize on nine tails to pull out a win.Al and Edward on the other hand can fight. Now compare naruto fighting style to Al and Ed  ? "

He went toe to toe again Neji, a taijutsu specialist. And clones is his specialty. Of course he'd use that technique thanks to his large chakra reserves, who wouldn't?

But current naruto who uses the clones this time is with amazing tactical skills. 

Is your common sense bleeding out? Let me explain it to you in a way that might err....help you understand things much easier.

ie.
I created a manga of my own. I published it. I give out a chapter every week. I am a god of the manga i created because i can do anything i want with the characters. Make them a god equal to Presence or create a character equal to the power level of a snail.

Can you understand now?

You are, i give you that. And i apologize for that. I do the things i do because of fanboys like that who are overwhelming any boards and talking them down civilly is impossible.

@Sonata said:

" @vertigo: Its not a dumb question at all to ask feats these Manga god have achieved to put them greater than the Presence or TOAA. "

these gods are the authors of the mangas who created them, just like Presence who created DC and TOAA who created MArvel.

And it is a dumb question.

@Nerx said:

"

Spite Thread in favor of Star Trek

"

Force, a living entity that would OWN Q and it's entire continuum and Q's son in a massive rapage curbstomp.

Please explain just HOW is the world an Alchemist is able to destroy soul society? Alchemy is compramised of real based science, breaking down by molucule and rebuilding it to look like something else, given the equivalent value.

Exactly how is the world is an Alchemist be able to transmute spiritons? spiritual energy? it's clearly shows you have no idea what an alchemy can do.

@Dream said:

" Mind control, he does have.

  

In the manga of Hellsing, Alucard has made use of telekinesis to throw several police officers out windows and to have a heavily-damaged aircraft move towards Britain. As for the demon familiars, they're the manifestations of the three million-plus souls that Alucard has consumed throughout his lifetime, quite the undead horde that Hollow Ichigo has to go through. I have yet to see the Arracanar arc, but I imagine you must be refering to the Gonzui ability from what I'm reading in the Bleach Wiki. Judging from its description, abnormal folks like Ichigo could resist it. But Alucard's life-draining ability can be performed through a person's blood. So if Hollow Ichigo were to shed blood in battle, he would be easy pickings for life force absorption by Alucard.Also bare in mind that Alucard has a high resistance to holy weapons. He was able to swat off Alexander Anderson's blessed bayonets like they were nothing. The only thing I could see benefiting Hollow Ichigo in this battle would be his immense strength and speed. But that won't mean much to the numerous abilities at Alucard's disposal. "

So your saying just because he used TK on humans, he can use TK on Ichigo? a death god? yea....right.


Releasing all his 3 million plus familiers into the battle field, would leave Alucard vulnerable since that is HIS life. His own and only his own since he released all his souls. Sasily accountable for Ichigo to kill him via shumpo. Ichigo won't even be able to waste his time with his families.

And just because releasing blood from his enemies doesn't mean he could easily do what you say he can do. He hasn't showed that kind of ability. And Even if he did use his Life draining ability, what makes you think he would even be able to do it without killing himself? Ichigo is a spiritual entity with massive amounts of energy inide his body. Not to mention his Hollow inside him, Alucard has no way of doing that.


Alexander Anderson is nothing compared to Ichigo don't compare the two. And you do realize that IChigo beat Byakuya, who has more experiance in the battle field then any Alucard has right?

@Dream said:

" After reading up on Ulquiorra, I'm gonna have it to give it to him. I gave the Alucard vs Hollow Ichigo match to Alucard only because Alucard had more abilities and experience at his disposal while Hollow Ichigo's just a berserker whose tactics were impulsive at most. But Ulquiorra obviously has more brains on the battlefield than Hollow Ichigo so he could better anticipate Alucard's abilities and even in his first stage of power,  Ulquiorra appears capable of leveling an entire city which would be just the right level of power to wipe out a demon familiar horde Alucard's unleashed. Like Alucard, Ulquiorra can also regenerate from damage. And if he was able to own Hollow Ichigo, then that has to say something about Ulquiorra's abilities. I might not be the biggest Bleach fan and know how uber Alucard can be, but Ulquiorra seems to be a far more uber fellow. "

You seriously underestimate Ichigo. It's clear you haven't read up on by much on Bleach.

And it's also clear that you completely missed about the part where Urahara even said that Ichigo isn't just a simple warrior. He's got an instincts of warrior, and battle is second nature to him. You clearly missed that. And you also clearly missed the part where Ichgo owned Grimmjow, who's had centrues of experiance, far more then Alucard. He's also owned Ulquiorra in battle. He's also owned plenty of other characters above and below his level.

So please do NOT underestimate him.

A 12 year old naruto could kill him.

LOL mind control, he DOES not have. Telekinesis? he only showed that ability to removing a chip from a dead vampire. Summing Demon familiars? LOL Nothing compared to a Menos. Absorbing life force? Ichigo fought against Hollows who eats souls for break fast. Espadas who consumes dozens of souls out of humans just by enhaling.

Regeneration is the only thing he has but then again, his very soul is on the line when Ichigo could cut his soul. Seeing as Death God's swords CAN cut spirits.

And as i have discussed, there is nothing Alucard can do to hurt Ichigo.

Naruto easily.

So that explains it....Nerx is a fanboy.