@SilverGalford: Whether you realize it or not..you're making my point for me. Once, again....and for the last time...the negative speed force didnt even exist when flash hit zoom with the IMP...it happened 10 years before the negative speed force was created. the negative speed force does not grant higher durability...not that it even matters because it didn't exist when zoom was hit.......is any of that clear to you?
@shonen: Just flag Silvergalford for trolling..problem solved. The country he's from doesn't have a word for irony. So reminding Silver that he manages to troll and derail every db related thread he's in on two different sites is futile. Just flag him for trolling and repeated off topic discussion and the mods will take care of it soon enough.
@KingOfSnipers:
Yes exactly what i was thinking oh please. Anyone with a brain can see Frieza is looking down at vegeta. And says time to finish this. Before he can lower his hand like ive said a million times..goku shows up. Add according to the manga..ie not you and your bs...that was half the planet. So please..spare me the scans..and spare me the nonsense. Kthanks
2. All of which really doesnt matter because your argument is so beyond nonsensical that it's just Lulz. They were half a planet aawy. Opening your face and saying YOU dont think they were means nothing to me. Oh look that scan you posted has goku say, Hey look theyre only a few islands away like Snipers is trying to say...oh wait it doesnt. He says its not far. Maybe far for goku means snake way =/ The manga says goku was half a planet away...end of dicussion. You trying to manipulate scans while in the same breath going...hmm they did travel..but im gonna say notthat much...hmmm..and goku said theyre not far...even tho thats not any indication of location..i'm going to say its how far i want it to be.....Spare me
3. It was light. And goku is FTL. Without this feat i have enough to say goku is ftl. So...yeah........
@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog: wonder woman isnt even FTL. Shes as fast as lightning..Gokus faster. goku picks up a sword and throws it through her chest
@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog: Sorry role playing is not my thing. Owning people like you who's only knowledge of comics is from killer movies is more my speed. I haven't been bias, or fan wanked...which means already that you're almost out of crap to say. So this shouldn't take long. I already listed GT gokus FTL feats. So try again. Never mind his Instant transmission. What crap am i spewing?? Zoom is human and has human durability..and yet when flash vibrated through him..he didnt explode. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand so simple a concept. I'm sorry you're not able to process something like that. Explains a lot actually. Goku used it to create a hole to bury vegeta...so yes...yes he has. Got anything else?
@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog said:
@u_whelmed said:
@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog: is that all you have to add to the conversation? In other words...you have nothing. Cell stomps and easily..reasons were already given. Have a nice day.
who are you? oh that's right a dupe who can't even obey the rules and wait for his post count to rack up like everyone else: Cell can't put him down and He's not standing up to the offensive might required to clap out a time stream or shake an entire planet when he runs into some one really hard
lol honestly when you people talk do you hear yourselves? Pretty sure that 95% of the people here joined when there was no such limit. I should know, i've been going on whiskey media sites for almost 4 years now. Also, was that supposed to be an insult or something? I mean... I'm not even going to waste my time talking about pre enraged hulk being put down by the likes of spider-man, and captain america..or even a fully enraged hulk struggling with wolverine. I'm going to talk about the most powerful version of hulk..aka world breaker hulk...getting injured by swords and axes. When cell hits him in the face with a planet buster....or several ki attacks that can reduce someones with the durability to survive a planet exploding to dust.....hulk is finished. You can sit there like the vast majority of other people who go on KMC and see scans and act like they know anything about comics all you like. Hulk didn't shake an entire planet when he runs..he shook the east cost when he was about to explode with gamma radiation. Gee Even saiyan saga vegeta could shake an entire planet when powering up. Clap out a time stream? I do believe you mean pocket universe...that was the size of a basketball. Hulks thunderclaps couldn't even kill human torch, hellion, ironman... couldn't even knock out spider-man..... didn't knock out wolverine...so spare me this all mighty thunderclap crap because you saw someone write about it. Hulk isn't fast enough to touch cell. Hulk Can not kill cell because he does not have the energy out put to obliterate cell. So how about you come back when you actually know what you're talking about. Cell stomps.
@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog: is that all you have to add to the conversation? In other words...you have nothing. Cell stomps and easily..reasons were already given. Have a nice day.
@The_Immortal_Watch_Dog: quite simple. I havent broken any rules. Maybe you should check out the rpg section of this site where multiple accounts are encouraged.
Flash needs to actually be near goku to steal his speed and its not an instant process. Goku flys 100 feet off the ground and flash stands there like an idiot because 100% of all of his movesets are voided because he cant run on air. Goku will explode? Goku isn't a machine...the same way flash vibrated through zoom and he didn't explode. Do try and make sense. Goku looks at flash and uses Telekinesis to pop his skull.
@ReiKai: cell has saiyan dna they all come back stronger from severe injury. Once again you use this only once fail argument of he only did it once. Cell comes back stronger, it happened..be mad about it. Cell has saiyan dna in every single form he was in, so you dont waste your time with fallacy arguments. Never mind the fact that he regenerated while in his buff form. It's like you don't even try and make sense.
Honestly is this how you try and troll or something? Repeat the same obviously ignorant thing over and over again thinking i'll get mad or something? It just makes you look...lets say bad..dont want to insult your intelligence by saying what i really want to say.. Thunderclap couldnt even kill people with normal durability like hellion, and human torch..and it couldn't even knock out spider-man or wolverine.. it's not killing cell. So again you can repeat thunderclap over and over again...it doesn't bother me..its just makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about. Which..of course you don't. He wont even be able to hit cell with it because he's too fast. It ends with cell picking up a sword and stabbing and or cutting hulks head off. He doesn't even need to use a planet buster to his grill.
@TheRedRose: Thank you for that thrilling well thought out retort i was waiting for.
@Levance said:
@u_whelmed:About Janemba, maybe in his universe is possible that matter manipulation, however in crossover battles is considered as a fact, how much great was teh matter manipulation that Janemba did, and if that can be considered somethin that reachs to the level of higher beings
Honestly i barely understood what you said at the beginning, but i'll answer the stuff i did understand.
Janemba, reshaped heaven and hell. He created a clone of Goku out of nothing. He turned stone into multiple versions of himself. He turned a normal stone mace, into a sword capable of cutting goku's skin without touching him. And yes warping heaven and hell would be considered a higher level being
@PikminMania:
1. Flash was takin out by deathstroke...4 times. Oh no wait 5 times. See i can post low showings too. I was going to come in here and say flash wins for the simple fact that i hate ssj4. But the fact that all you people know how to do is post low showings kind of annoys me. GT goku has plenty of high end feats. For a bunch of people who constantly b*tch and moan about low showings why is it when it comes to Dragon Ball that's all anyone seems to know how to do?
2. You clearly don't know anything about dragon ball. Honestly i'm just going to start posting feats from Justice league unlimited if all people are going to do is describe scenes from non canon source material. Yes i get that GT never had a manga and the anime is cano, but so is the manga. Goku does not overly talk to his enemies in canon.
3. There is one glaring problem with what you just said. Goku isn't slow. Goku in namek saga flew across the planet before frieza could lower his hand. And he was dodging and blocking Light based attacks. And he has only becoming incalculably faster. Hell turning into a super saiyan 3 makes him 400 times faster, never mind his base form boost sense namek. Gokus Kamahamaha in GT and In the movies reach the sun in less than 4 seconds. That's faster than light. It does not take goku seconds to charge, as from his POV he's moving at super speed. Nor does he need to stand still and charge an attack. He blitzed frieza while punching his face in while charging a Kamehameha. Flash beat the crap out of mongul and then gets owned 6 different times by deathstroke. See i can post low showings too.
4. As far flash absorbing speed he has to be near goku to do so.
5. Last but not Blah. Once again flash has to be near goku to effect his speed. 14 pages and no one has realized that goku cant be touched by flash if he just starts out flying? Goku flys, uses Telekinesis and then flash dies.
@TheRedRose: And what happens when janemba just turns stormbreaker into a pile of cow crap using matter manipulation? And yes matter manipulation worked on mjolnir so it will work on strombreaker. And of course you would think that storm breaker can absorb energy attacks from 5 different directions at the same time, except you know..he can't so. SS shoots anything at cell and cell will just raise his shields. I wouldn't have to be repeating that if you at all bothered to read my post. Its becoming quite obvious you glanced at it went, what z villains win...let me post this stupid picture and half brain dead reply. Janemba can just make a clone of silver surfer if he wanted to. Yes i have a different opinion than yours and im asking you to debate maturely and rationally..that totally equals trolling. Im glad you caught that. Anything else you'd like to add?
@TheRedRose: Did you know that you dont know what you're talking about and posting stupid pictures instead of coming back with a rational thought out retort makes you look like a child? SIlver surfer rips super buu apart, and then there are 2 super buus. Beta ray Bill rips cell apart, and then cell just regenerates and comes back stronger than he was before. Now go and think of a reply that someone who isn't 6 would come up with.
The Z villains win. Also complete and total surprise that everyone who regularly post on comicvine thinks otherwise. Oh wait.
Janemba alone could solo. Reality warper, with matter manipulation. Has regeneration, and can create clones of everyone with the same powers, like he did with himself and goku. Janemba can also just warp reality all around him so an attack wont connect with him. So people can sit here all sarcastically and state how they don't think any of these beings are ftl, it doesn't matter.
Next you have Super Buu, who can't be killed by physical damage. Buu can heal from anything they throw at him. Super Buu too can transmute matter, and has shown molecular control over his own body. He can also copy any of the enemy's powers, just by observing them. He doesn't need to absorb them to do this. Instantaneous Movement of course comes in handy for obvious reasons. Super Buu's screams alone had the power to rip wholes in the fabric of reality. Planet busting energy attacks, and an unlimited supply of ki which means he can pretty much spam them. Regardless of what anyone here thinks, planet buster or repeated planet busters is knocking folks out. Surfer, gladiator, and BRB have been hurt and or knocked out cold from planet busters.
Cell, and Frieza. Cell can regenerate from just about any normal energy attack from the folks in this group. And physical attacks wont do much but hurt him. But he can just regenerate from the damage. Cell too has Instant transmission so bfr and black holes are out. Cell can also generate force fields capable of resisting Super Saiyan Goku's energy attacks. Freiza has also created shields that have resisted super saiyan gokus full powered Kamehameha..a planet buster. He has used his shield like a canonball. Freiza has shown to be able to survive planets exploding even when near death. And contrary to the idiot trolling, yes frieza was killed by trunks channeling his ki to his sword. It's a technique called Kikoukenjutsu. It is the reason why trunks wasn't killed when King Cold used the same sword assuming it was special. And why goku wasn't cut by it after he channeled his ki into his finger. All that planet busting power of Trunks was channeled through his sword, thus you have a dead freiza. With all that said..for a bunch of people screaming PIS and to stop bringing up low showings, it's amazing how fast you try and ignore friezas durability feats.
Broly..Broly was fast enough to dodge piccolo, trunks and goku all at the same time. And yes whether anyone wants to admit it or not, all three are most likely ftl. Broly shield as a new born baby were strong enough to withstand a planet exploding. Broly without his shield took Super Saiyan Goku's Kamehameha too the face and smiled.
The person with the weakest durability on the team is frieza, and he survived a planet exploding in his face, after having already been weakened. The Z villains stomp. Be Mad about it.
People, ignore the troll. It's not hard.
And Cell stomps. It's beyond obvious he stomps. TK, Flight, Planet busting energy attacks, shields, and his super speed might not be fast enough for a super saiyan, but it's not too slow for the hulk.
