taichokage (Level 20)

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Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

The problem is that minority world reverses every single physiological function meaning even your senses are flawed. Midora couldn't even hit Ichryuu standing still until he not only stabbed his heart (won't make much sense unless you read the series and/or i provide a long explanation) but utilized a lesser version of minority world himself and activated Hungry Space which is an attack that is a zone that automatically effects nearly the whole vicinity. Essentially all things Goku can't do except stab his heart which he wouldn't know to do since he doesn't understand the mechanics of Minority World like Midora does. Again I'm not necessarily saying Ichryuu wins, Only that that strategy wouldn't work and that he is capable of killing Goku.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

They are only a bit above the cloud line, meaning they are still within the inner atmosphere. It should be a few miles up but nothing that would effect the time of reaching outer space to any notable extent. I'm not necessarily saying the chopsticks are for sure FTL, but whether or not they are, a few miles only makes a trivial difference when it comes to their traveling to outer space.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Pain vs Tobirama

While true, Tobirama would not only not be easily prone to being pinned down due to FTG, but could avoid the likes of Pain's strongest techniques via escaping a fair distance or blitzing before they happened. Naruto had no such advantage. Also if we take into account that he beat Izuna, it's not far fetched at all to say he could beat Pain.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta Vs Mystic Gohan

True. BOG movie has more than a couple questionable things. Vegeta being more effective at ssj2 than Mystic Gohan who should be above ssj3 Goku is a bit eyebrow raising to say the least. Based on that then Vegeta ought to win even though the rest of the series contradicts this.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Iceman vs Yamamoto

Technically the latter.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

I'm not disputing that Goku still has more destructive power. I'm saying that Toriko top tiers have more destructive power than they are given credit for and that they can equal or exceed most Z characters in physical strength.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Goku vs. Frieza

Actually Yo! Son Goku and his friends was canon, so the argument has an even stronger basis. We just don't know for sure if Goku was hiding his power. He often has though so take it how you will I guess.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Pain vs Tobirama

I felt similarly but I thought about it and with FTG, he ought to be able to blitz Deva Path. He was able to beat Izuna Uchiha back in the day and he was supposed to be on par with Madara pre Rinnegan or his fight with Hashirama. If sage Naruto could do it, I think Tobirama has a fair shot at it as well.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Goku vs. Frieza

You misunderstood my post I think. I said it doesn't make much sense that ssj1 Goku could fight nearly on par with Perfect Cell and that wasn't even his Buu saga strength, but he still needs ssj1 to beat Frieza as of Bills Movie.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

Yeah. Maybe Frhoze was stronger too. Acacia's disciples are this strong and they haven't even eaten Acacia's courses. Joa could be stronger than them also since Jirou and Setsuno believe he has eaten the full course. Still should be beneath Acacia though. Just imagine how strong the Kings will be once they've eaten their goal ingredient let alone the full course if they do so. At that point they could be above current Midora, Ichiryuu and Jirou. Again maybe not Joa. He's the most mysterious of all at the moment.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

True. Midora threw me off too. He seems to have so many top tier abilities. Joa is the same. Hungry Tongue, Hungry Space, Meteor Spice and a teleportation technique seen earlier. I appreciate the hax that is present among Toriko's high and upper mid tiers but as far as fights go I also prefer them to be secondary to the brawling. Toriko vs Starjun was sick, and Sani vs Tommyrod was one for the books. My favorite fight in 2013 of any manga I read. We need more of that.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

Well I guess it depends on how you interpret it. Would you say Byakuya's Gokei Senbonzakura or Aokiji's partisan are multiple attacks? Id say they're really one attack with multiple components.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

Oh, well I personally could accept continent level chopsticks (lol sorry that sounds funny) if it's in small amounts, not his total output. Also let's not forget that Midora already leveled most of Human World with Meteor Spice. These guys are way above continent level.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

Troll Kong: capture level 9, only building level. Mount Turtle: Capture level low 100s, around a dozen or so times the Troll Kong by level but = Continent level destroyer and tanker. Ocpald: Capture level 620, around 5x the capture level of Mount Turtle, Ichryuu and Midora = casually fodderized Ocpald along with 2 other beasts around 500 in capture level. Jirou is on par with those 2. The characters speak for themselves really. To assume that the Ocpald let alone Acacia's disciples are continent level doesn't make a shred of sense.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

I would too. At least multi mid size planet level. It is nearly the size of Jupiter but should be even more massive because terrestrial planets are more dense than gas giants with the exception of Hot Jupiter Gas Giants. We are literally talking hundreds of times more massive than Earth. Saturn is over 90x more massive and Jupiter over 300x. By size not mass Saturn is more than half of Jupter, around 60%. Take a planet in between their size and change the structure from gas giant to rocky, and you have a planet that exceeds the size of any planet in our system aside from Jupiter and more massive than all of them. And Jirou stopped the rotation of such a planet with one blow. Imagine a barrage of such attacks on a smaller planet.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Iceman vs Yamamoto

Iceman takes him out quickly especially since he's not in bankai from the start.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ3 Goku Vs Ichiryuu

It's actually much greater than 10x let alone 3x bigger than earth. The distance from World Kitchen to Wu Island is 65,000 km, nearly the radius (or nearly half the height) of Jupiter. Both are in only the Human world and on a map were not at pole ends so the human world length exceeds the radius of Jupiter. Account for the fact that Gourmet World is more than twice as large and you are looking at a planet around the size of Jupiter/Saturn and even more massive since it is a rocky planet not a gas giant. There was a very clear and well done calc that scales Toriko world to be between the size of Jupiter and Saturn, or approx. 10x the diameter and around 1000x the volume of earth. Maybe I can post a link.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Pain vs Tobirama

I could see it going either way with heavy effort on either side. If Tobirama were to take out deva path early on, he would take it with effort, if not then Deva Path would be his undoing. At first I was leaning towards Pain but now I'd say Tobirama 3/5.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Goku vs. Frieza

Yeah that makes no sense to me given that even back in the Cell saga let alone Buu Saga, SSJ1 Goku was nearly on par with Perfect Cell who is obviously beyond Frieza. Maybe Z is in the process of a retcon.
Post by taichokage (12,626 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Goku vs. Frieza

It's not too hard to believe that base Goku from Buu saga is weaker than Frieza since ssj3 is a 400x multiplier. He would still likely be hundreds of times stronger than Frieza but not in base I guess. However i still see him beating Frieza with Kaioken x10.
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