taichokage (Level 20)

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Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Elric Brothers vs Spider man and Gambit

Yeah Spidey could solo. His reactions are too good and his strength too high. Gambi by himself could probably beat one of them but not both.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Hashirama vs Garp

Mach 23,771. I'm dying right now.
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Battles » Hashirama vs Garp

That's true. Let us not forget that Gai himself stated that his 7th gate form was only supersonic and that was his punch. Given that a punch is faster than typical movement speed, it's a stretch to even say 7th gate is supersonic as a whole. Anyway Supersonic is anything between Mach 1 - 5. Gai is maximum Mach 5 and that's in 7th gate. Lee who could not use 7th gate, at least not at the time would be slower than that. Let us also not forget that Kishimoto himself said that if guns were in the Naruto world, they would dominate over the shinobi. Now of course I wont assume that's true for any top tiers revealed after he said this including Hashirama, but that gives you a good idea of the speed and level that the overwhelming majority of Naruto characters fall under. These speed calcs of Mach hundreds and thousands are completely ridiculous and contradict both character statements and author statements as well.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Sasuke vs Hitsugaya

I tend to just assume that all abilities from both verses work on each other unless said character has a natural defense against it. It's true though for Bleach to be brought down to Naruto's level, that means no reiatsu crush, no invisibility, and genjutsu works and in most cases speed equalized since Bleach on average has faster characters. However not so much here. Sasuke's not some fodder that has no speed. Anyway, I assume genjutsu works, however IC, Sasuke doesn't spam that to anywhere near guys like Itachi. Sasuke is more ninjutsu based. Everything he does now is either Susanoo or Amaterasu based or both. He hasn't even used genjutsu since his fight with Danzo if I'm not mistaken. Still gonna give it to Sasuke though. Mostly due to Susanoo. It's a great defense and recently it's become his preferred offense too.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Sasuke vs Hitsugaya

Lol Sasuke solo the Gotei. Half the Captains alone would laugh at him. But Toshiro is not one of those captains. I think it's a loss for Toshiro.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSG goku and bills and buuhan and SS4 vegeta vs Thanos

Also Classic Thor is galaxy+ level. Mjolnir absorbed the power to destroy a galaxy once but Thor channeled his personal god blasts energies into it and it couldn't contain it and shattered. Said God Beam has even frightened Galactus away. Classic Thor also shielded a life bomb that can destroy 20% of the Universe. So yes Classic Thor is above Galaxy level. As for Tyrant, here's a little bit on him. He was Galactus's first sentient creation pre dating the heralds by millions of years. Galactus made him with the intent of a father/son relationship and granted him near equal power to himself. Tyrant rebelled however and turned on Galactus with the latter barely beating him after a battle that destroyed many galaxies. Tyrant lived however bu was weakened. Way down the line he encountered various powerful beings to be exact, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Ganymede, Jack of Hearts, Terrax and Morg. Out of them he beat the first 4 mentioned with great ease. The latter 2 wound up fighting each other and were subdued by Tyrant's Robot army with Jack sacrificing most of his power in an attempt to free everyone from Tyrant. Galactus himself came in the nick of time and saved them from Tyrant. Later still Thrant bested Galactus and was about to finish him when Morg Galactus' most loyal herald stopped him with the Ultimate Nullifier and sacrificed himself in the process. In short Tyrant is near Galactus level without the hunger weakness.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Zoro vs Inuyasha

I'm with Inuyasha if it EOS and only Pre time skip Zoro. His ranged attacks are a lot stronger and he's no slouch in melee and durability.
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Battles » Luffy vs Hashirama

Technically yes on average. However if a mountain is leveled completely, it could be much more potent than a blast that levels a similarly sized city or even larger sometimes given a mountain's much greater density. But both Mountains and Cities vary greatly in size as do things like buildings, planets and stars of course.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Masrur (Magi) vs Rock Lee (Naruto)

Yeah. Masrur's strength seemed greater than the Morning Peacock. Maybe not Afternoon Tiger. If Lee has 7 gates then he actually is probably stronger than Masrur. The problem is Kishimoto has thus far left that up to speculations since Lee hasn't used the gates except once around 10+ years ago or about 2-3 years story-wise. Back then his limit was 5 gates. I wish Kishimoto hadn't ignored the Rookie 9 so much. Now the series is nearing the end and most of them still are overwhelmingly ignored. In fact Lee is the only one out of them that hasn't shown even 1 new technique since before the war.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Masrur (Magi) vs Rock Lee (Naruto)

Masrur would beat Lee with ease.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ Vegito Vs Midora

Midora has many tongues. Not saying that makes a difference in the outcome, just pointing that out.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ4 gogeta vs ichiryuu and midora

My god. The saturation of Toriko vs Z threads lately. 6-7 months ago, the only people who talked about Toriko to any notable extent were for the most part othus12, SpeedForceSpider and myself. Now since the War arc it's like 1 in 3 battle threads are Toriko themed, half of those being against Z. Anyway this goes just like the rest of the top tier Z vs Toriko threads. Gogeta wins but he can be potentially killed easily if not serious early on.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ Vegito Vs Midora

We can use this argument for almost any character. I don't doubt it but we don't know for sure that Minority World works in exactly the fashion Ichiryuu states. He could be manipulating matter on a cellular level for all we know. We don't know for a fact Kizaru moves at light speed or that Aokiji froze a whole ocean, or Byakuya has a hundred million blades. We have to partially take their word for these things.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ Vegito Vs Midora

Oh yes. I've used that very video as an example for Kizaru's speed bending physics as well as most any other light or near light speed character.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ Vegito Vs Midora

They are shinigami not humans. Supernaturally durable to start with. And those close to him were high tier Stern Ritter using Blut Vene. Even then if he had touched them or gotten very close they'd have still died. Also note that Yamamoto had over a Millenium to master it and he did say that he could accidentally kill everyone and destroy all Soul Society if he were not careful.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Madara vs Garp

We don't know the upper limit of Final Susanoo. But if multi-mountain/island level is enough as that is the most destruction seen in Naruto so far, then OP has a few characters that can beat it. However that's just speculation. PS could be stronger.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSG goku and bills and buuhan and SS4 vegeta vs Thanos

Still impressive. We are talking about Galactus, Odin, Tyrant, Thor, Surfer and others. Galactus and Tyrant are above universal and they destroyed many galaxies as a side effect of their battle. Odin and Classic Thor were multi galactic level. Thanos may have lost many of those fights, but not once was he able to be killed. Just because he lost a lot of fights doesn't make him less impressive. How many major fights has Goku lost, none o them being as strong as these guys? Most of them too.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » Grimmjow and Ulquiorra vs Black Star and Alucard

BS can't beat Ulquiorra, even if he could not both Espada, but he is being underestimated and Alucard EOS can solo via stamina mostly.
Post by taichokage (12,640 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Battles » SSJ Vegito Vs Midora

I still say Zanka is not hyperbole. However against Midora it doesn't matter.
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