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Battles » Lord Boros vs Lord Freiza

Not a true stomp but Frieza wins this with little question.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

2 things about the equalization. Because Bleach tends to have multiple advantages against a series that does not deal primarily with spiritual entities, when equalization takes effect, it is usually nerfed. In Bleach the way of resisting a specific technique without a direct counter usually revolves around a notable difference in power where the stronger one can ignore or reject the opponents technique in question which Aizen has done himself. But this is not taken into account here as its too large of an advantage. Additionally, the fundamentals for dispelling genjutsu are to emit chakra all over the body which takes a high degree of control in Naruto. This rejects the invasion of chakra from the caster. In Bleach, again emitting reiatsu all over the body or focusing it to a specific point is a normal thing. This is also not taken into account and it also shows that KS does not work in the same way as genjutsu as releasing ones reiatsu against KS is meaningless. This is yet another advantage of Aizen's not taken into account because again its too large of an advantage especially with verse equalization. Do you see where I'm coming from? It's very difficult to equalize when characters like Bleach characters have so many things that physical world series typically don't. They typically are nerfed unless they are up against exception verses like Hakusho and Soul Eater where those differences are for the most part nonexistent.
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Off-Topic » Ask a question, Get a Stupid Answer

No. Do you think that Brolypotence, Trollpotence (Aizen) or Kami Temchi is the strongest force in anime/manga? If so which one?
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

If sword of Totsuka were relevant, then Itachi would have a strong chance if not advantage against Aizen if full equalization to the level of dispelling KS were in effect. I might be reluctant to say he could take out Mumuro still though. Whoever wins this depends on variables. If they are allowed to utilize everything that pertained to the manipulation of senses and mind then Mukuro would probably win. Strictly illusions Aizen would win. Full on fight, Mukuro unless it were Hougyoku Aizen. I don't think Itachi would win any of them but he could best Aizen in some of those scenarios.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

I know it's kinda cheap but I don't see how else it would end. Without full equalization, they're all caught but since Aizen's is eternal he would win just by outlasting them. With full 100% equalization with dispelling in place and what not, he still wins because it takes nothing for KS to be cast whereas the other 2, particularly Itachi spend energy to do this. Either scenario it's a stamina game which Aizen would eventually win. If we are taking about the quality of illusions then he might lose there.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

On the flip side, Aizen easily has the greatest stamina and physical ability by far. He can outlast the other 2. Just using their illusions actually takes something out of them Itachi in particular who's stamina is his weakness and he would be done in a matter of minutes. The illusion casting for Aizen costs nothing and stays forever. P.S. with verse equalization 100%, that means all of them could cast and dispell each other's techniques. When it comes down to that Aizen is once again ahead as he has the greatest stamina and unlike the others it doesn't take a toll on him.
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Battles » Sunny vs. Coco

Satan hair is not needed to take out Coco. If Sunny knows of Coco's spear then the only leverage Coco arguably had is gone as assuming Sunny could not deflect light speed attacks at this point, he would know very well not to let that technique get off or he would prepare for it with a hair net or spatula in advance. Based on feats there really is no way that Coco could counter Sunny's techniques with his own as Sunny has an answer for all of them. Sunny is perhaps, the worst king for Coco to fight as Coco's attacks revolve nearly exclusively around projectiles and gasses which are easily countered. Even if Sunny were not stronger than Coco, he is darn well suited for him. If Coco were against say Toriko, then none of this would apply. Toriko can't deflect projectiles nor does he yet have an answer for mists. He would have to overwhelm Coco with raw stats to beat him which is quite risky for Toriko.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

The reason is that KS is fundamentally different from a genjutsu. It has nothing to do with different verse energies, the whole mechanics on how it works are different. It is hypnosis where it effects the mind. It's not a distribution of energy into the person's brain via energy like a genjutsu. Once done Aizen can make you perceive whatever he wants even time perception. And the 2 person method revolved around the other person knocking out or otherwise distracting the caster whch again is useless against KS as it does not go away whether Aizen's attention is averted or not. It's too fundamentally different from a genjutsu. And Sasuke only resisted Infinite Tsukiyomi because he blocked it from effecting him in the first place via Susanoo since Infinite Tsukiyomi is only effective if the light emitted from it touches you. But I can see Mukuro winning as well. My point was that Itachi was not the main threat nor could he dispell KS. Mukuro on the other hand is even more hax than Aizen and a win from him is very plausible to me.
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Battles » Sunny vs. Coco

You're hanging onto the Mold spear because every other technique of Coco's is easily ineffective to sunny. His poison projectiles are easily deflected which is Sunny's forte to begin with, and his airborne poisons are simply blown away. Only the mold spear holds weight which we would have to assume that Sunny's reactionary prowess is sufficiently inferior by 1 arc that he couldn't deflect it, that Coco would tag him in above the neck which is the only place it could kill him, and that he will find the time to don the armor and forge the spear. A lot of maybe. Whereas Sunny has free reign to terrorize Coco who could not block any of Sunny's attacks. He would have to try and dodge them which, while he has the reactionary prowess, his speed does not hold up given the scale at which Sunny operates. I see where you're coming from but Sunny has numerous methods where Coco is highly vulnerable whereas Coco essentially has one technique that requires a lot of assumptions in Coco's favor to work.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

Even with verse equalizer its relevant as in his own verse KS could not be dispelled. In Naruto there exist Genjutsu that can't be dispelled until they are over too. Tsukiyomi and Izanami. So they could not be broken either even by other sharingan users. My point is that even Sharingan users have illusions they can't break so with verse equalization it still makes sense that KS cannot be broken.
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Battles » Sunny vs. Coco

Right. But likewise Coco could not kill Grin nor the 4 beast quickly either. The same applies to him. In fact he failed to take down Grin. As for Flash and Zoom, But Coco isn't nearly that fast. That's not a fair analogy because their velocity is so great that they can hit harder than Superman.l and those with raw power greater than him. Coco cannot. My point is that Sunny would not realistically give him that opportunity. All of Sunny techniques can more or less be done immediately aside from his sel inflicted Super Fry Gaeshi. This is Coco's loss. The only thing he could hope to connect is the spear which takes a moment. Sunny would not give him the oppkrtunity, especially since they know each other. And Sunny deflecting light only one arc later is not irrelevant. As he could casually deflect countless beams while running and holding Nosh. It's not unbelievable at all that just one arc earlier he could deflect a single one. He was deflecting even GT Dobo lasers since his introduction arc before he gained intuition or food honor.
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Battles » Sunny vs. Coco

You're also assuming Coco could just whip it out. He needs to don Poison armor, then form the spear, then throw it. He will be a dead man before he pulled it off. P.S. Sunny does have feats of deflecting light this recent arc, but it is one arc later than cooking fest. Still should be possible for him. And yes how is Coco not the weakest? He utterly loses in destructive capacity and raw strength to the other kings. And his range is inferior to Zebra's and arguably Toriko as well. He is the most lethal and the smartest but is physically the weakest and least destructive. Weakest might be a harsh word but I'll just say from an inherent power standpoint he is weaker. Maybe not in overall prowess.
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Battles » Illumi Zoldyck and Hisoka vs Sabertooth

If incapacitating or capturing Sabretooth counts then the Hunters could do it. In fact Hisoka alone would probably be enough. But if the goal is Creed's assassination, then they will fail. They aren't capable of that.
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Battles » AKATSUKI TRIO vs GOTEI TRIO

Byakuya solos. Heck so do the others to be honest.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

You're going for Itachi waybig? In my eyes he's the least relevant here. He has the lowest stamina by far and I Amani needs time. He couldn't get it off before bein caught in an illusion himself. He doesn't hax the luxury that Aizen has where just seeing him causes you to eternally be under KS. P.S. Itachi has no resistance to it. Aizen's illusions effect the mind hence hypnosis. Having great eyes does not do much if your mind is hijacked. Mukuro on te other hand might have resistance because he has both mind power and doujutsu power.
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Battles » Tsuna vs Kizaru

Zero point breakthrough takes too much time. That Would easily be broken out of before he got frozen in the first place.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

You can only escape it while you are touching it not dispell it. That itself is unrealistic as Aizen if their superior in close quarters. And how would that happen once he got it off? They would never be able to confirm his position again. Also no clones for Mukuro right? It's strictly the illusions I thought.
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Battles » Esdeath vs Gray Fullbuster

She can stop it long enough to casually walk up to you stab you then walk back. Anyone without high durability or regeneration is screwed if she pulls it off.
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Battles » Tsuna vs Kizaru

I don't know. I'm having trouble thinking of what Tsuna could realistically pull off that would harm Kizaru aside from the intan off round. Sure he can win that. But I don't think he can win when intangibility is off to be honest.
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Battles » Mukuro Rokudo vs Itachi uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen

This is why I would say Aizen wins in a purely illusionary battle. Aizen can maintain illusions indefinitely even when he's not in the vicinity. And if he starts tampering with the perception of time, he could fool them Ito thinking they had been at it for much longer than they had while hiding his presence. Of course he is not getting out of being put into illusions either but eventually they would pass as Mukuro's and Itachi's do not last indefinitely. Mukuro's can last for a very long time though, but if Aizen alters perception of said time though it might speed things up.
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