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Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

@eddz99 said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@GIRUGAMESH: When and where did Toriyama state this? If what you said is true, that is fine considering Toriyama said it himself.

Also if Saiyan Saga characters are relativistic then why did Goku take so long to arrive to the battlefield? It took him at least a few hours considering Vegeta gave him one before the slaughter of his friends.

Namek saga probably because of the Goku moving across Namek in a short amount of time. I can agree FTL for EOS fighters, but even moving at a portion of the speed of light as early as Saiyan Saga is bull crap to me.

Saiyan saga is relativistic in combat speed ( Since they can create afterimages and disappear in a few seconds.. Why not? ), travel speed is a whole different thing .

Combat speed really? Like no one knew that dude. By your logic, Ichigo and multiple Bleach characters are relativistic as well. Since you know, he created afterimages while fighting Byakuya in an earlier arc. See how that doesn't work.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » SSJ2 Teen Gohan Vs LSSJ Broly

@chrono122: No I don't get why some people believe that. He fought him in base first, so it is obvious to say he meant in general.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Barragan vs Sengoku

@GIRUGAMESH said:

Barragan laughs at sengoku's attempts to harm him then turns him to nothing.

This.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

@GIRUGAMESH: When and where did Toriyama state this? If what you said is true, that is fine considering Toriyama said it himself. 

Also if Saiyan Saga characters are relativistic then why did Goku take so long to arrive to the battlefield? It took him at least a few hours considering Vegeta gave him one before the slaughter of his friends.  

Namek saga probably because of the Goku moving across Namek in a short amount of time. I can agree FTL for EOS fighters, but even moving at a portion of the speed of light as early as Saiyan Saga is bull crap to me.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Mikoto Misaka (ToAru) vs Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece)

@Dream: I see what you're saying here but Enel(A guy who is living lightning) tried to burn Luffy with his crazy high voltage and it didn't work. He even added the heat to his staff and the plot saved him of course. Going by what happened Luffy wins here mostly due to speedblitz.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Shounen Basketball

@UltimateHero0406: Thanks bro I'd like to challenge ya.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

@YoungChief: If DBZ characters like Whis and Bills are indeed FTL as you say they are, then top tiers like Buuhan and Vegito must be as well if anything. Actually in battle Shunkan Ido worked better like when Vegito used it against Buuhan. I merely pointed out that speed while racing is much different then speed during battle. The reason for the dislike of Toei is simple, it contradicts almost everything Toriyama puts or and fans get the wrong idea in which fanboy's are born. Ex: Toei has SSJ3 Goku > Ultimate Gohan but manga says opposite, that kind of stuff makes debating more annoying with certain folks. You know what what you said it true, Vegito didn't hang around long enough to demonstrate his true power. But I think showing his domination in SSJ meant something at least. But I am not going into a hypothetical argument of SSJ2 Vegito and all that because he is featless. Maybe Bills can be stronger as you guys say, I was just throwing in my two cents.

@Kurohige: I guess that works but then again Vegito was Goku and Vegeta's power so of course he can't reach it lol. Yeah I get you on the Frieza thing but the reason why Bills and crew get all this love is because of the solar system busting and all this was stated. But Vegito has no such feats or claims made for him he was just introduced as the two strongest warriors joined and a badass was born. 

And no I am not saying Bills feats aren't as impressive because the same argument can be said about Vegito because he only lasted about 2 chapters. It is what it is man I was just trying to defend and make a case for my favorite DBZ character.

@taichokage said:

Yeah that's my point. Z is not a manga where the majority of power hierarchies are displayed through feats. You get a few feats and powerscale from there. By feats outside of actual combat, Frieza is the most impressive canon Z character because he busted a planet with a finger at less than 0.5% power. Only a few other planets were destroyed and none of it was as impressive as that. Even Majin Buu who was exponentially more powerful (stated to be 1000 times as powerful) still did not destroy the earth with as much apparent ease as Frieza at less than half a percent did to planet Vegeta. By actual feats Vegito hasn't many himself but you could argue they appear more impressive than Bills. But that means little in Z. Master Roshi has better destructive feats than Goku even though the latter is literally tens of millions of times more powerful.
Just part of the many inconsistencies of DBZ I suppose. As for the feats, I can agree that matters little in Z but hey its whatever.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Shounen Basketball

Point Guard - Joesph Joestar

Shooting Guard - Pegasus Seiya

Small Forward - Jotaro Kujo

Power Forward - Jonathan Joestar

Center - Toriko

Couch - Coco

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

@YoungChief: First of all teleportation > moving speed. The logic you're using can be twisted unless you're talking about racing to the finish line which still doesn't work because Bills is nothing like the Flash so I fail to see the point in what you said. Also it depends on the level of teleportation and I highly doubt Bills fights at MFTL speeds so prove me wrong without your claims. Hell I don't even believe he is MFTL in the first place.

So yeah do Wally vs Vegito because that is nothing short of a laughable comparison. 

Keep surprise? Who cares about irrelevant stuff like that, it still doesn't justify what Toei does. Toei is known to contradict everything that has anything to do with DBZ. You're going to need a stronger argument then that. More claims on your part.

Why yes he is. There is nothing suggesting Vegito isn't as powerful as I have said. I could easily say the same thing about Bills.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » SSJ2 Teen Gohan Vs LSSJ Broly

@xlab3000 said:

@SpeedForceSpider: in the manga Vegeta stated Gohan was no where near his old power

This isn't the manga I am comparing movie 10 Gohan with canon Gohan. And in the movie, Gohan said he powered considerably up since he last meant Broly. Its pretty obvious its an alternate reality.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » SSJ2 Teen Gohan Vs LSSJ Broly

@SMXLR8: Uh no. Broly was beating SSJ2 Gohan which makes him stronger. Cell only was superior to SSJ's and ASSJ's. Broly beat FPSSJ's and a SSJ2 so by logic Broly is wayyyy stronger.

What a lot of people do not understand is Gohan was not that much weaker than he was as a child. I don't get why putting Broly against a Gohan barely stronger than his Movie counterpart is going to make much a difference here.

Broly stomps especially post Zenkai.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

If Bills was stated to be the strongest character in the history of Z by the creators then how is there other guys stronger? I heard he was the weakest among his brethren. I knew this whole Bills being the strongest was BS. Maybe I need to see the whole movie for myself but screw Toei, I still say Vegito. And screw the MFTL crap, Vegito has Shunkan Ido which is better than moving speed.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

@Kurohige: Well if you don't need to back up what you said then my bad bro. But my reply is still directed to @taichokage.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » TORIKO VS TOMMYROD

Kugi Punch............

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

@taichokage: @Kurohige: I am gonna need you guys to back-up your statements because SSJG looked nowhere near Vegito in terms of power. Vegito literally fought Buuhan without a scratch and beat his ass. I even think Buuhan would give Bills the fight of his life, let alone a complete beast like Vegito. 10 years ago or not, making newer characters only contradicts Gohan being the strongest unfused character because fanboy's hated the idea of Goku not being the strongest.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Bills Vs Vegito

Vegito is stated to be the most powerful character in the DBU by AT. That alone grants him the win. He was unstoppable as a SSJ if he can theoretically go higher, he would be a straight monster.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » USSJ Trunks Vs LSSJ Broly

@DBZ_universe: lol I meant this thread.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,838 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » USSJ Trunks Vs LSSJ Broly

@DBZ_universe: Yeah stupid is contagious bro lol. I'd advice you to abandon this BS battle.

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