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Battles » Mirai Trunks vs Goten and Trunks

@DeathHero61 said:

1. While she was holding back plus i never said they wouldn't stomp frieza while fused. Proof right? Although there is no canon material, since they have no showcases in the main series i might as well use it anyway.

Goten and trunks in their base forms were getting beaten by ado and cabo in their base forms. Ado and cabo were stated to be as strong as frieza. As interesting as this is, nobody knows about frieza's ability to mask his power via transformations. The only people who knew about this was the Z fighters obviously, and some of the ginyu force IIRC. Taking that into consideration people only seen frieza in his first form.

They only legit beat them by getting coached by gohan. Now if they went ssj they likely would have beated them with far less difficulty considering the big gap super saiyan powerups give from base to said powerup. But it still would just barely compare to frieza's other forms.

2.ASSJ is ascended super saiyan right? He didn't use that.(he only went into the first stage of ssj to fight them.) I don't blame him considering how it slowed him down against cell. Goten and Trunks are featless.

3. that was such BS android 18 was downplayed so much. She easily beat up SSJ vegeta and SSJ future trunks, there is NO WAY goten and trunks should be giving her any trouble at all. So you saying that just emphasizes the BS. Even funny thing is, even if what you said is true and the fight isn't BS she hit them hard enough to make them struggle to get up while they on the other hand barely scratched her when they landed hits.

4. They don't fear him?

Skip to 8:45 and watch till 9:24

Gotenks and fused individuals in general have shown to be heavily arrogant. Just like gotenks.

And whether or not anyone would agree with me is meaningless. Piccolo is equal to 17 and has fought against imperfect cell as well. And powered up even further afterwords to the point where he assisted in fighting the cell Juniors and cell himself.. Thats far above goten and trunks even if you try to BS with the android 18 fight.

1. You're insinuating they are too weak to face Frieza when the series contradicts this. Why was Goten able to pressure FPSSJ Gohan during a sparring session? We all know even a no training FPSSJ Gohan would lolstomp Mirai Trunks and Frieza.

So now we are using non canon material as evidence? Okay well Trunks managed to defect a blast from an amped Broly. Mirai Trunks couldn't do anything to his weaker version in Movie 8. That special with Ado and Cabo isn't a legit showing.

2. They are feat-less now? Wearing out Gohan and 18 isn't feat-less especially without any formal training. Given they trained quite a bit in the ROSAT, I highly doubt they are push-overs at this point. Their individual power has obviously risen due to the boost in the Fusion, in which they were able to face Super Buu mind you only in SSJ.

3. Aren't you downplaying Goten and Trunks though? She easily beat up SSJ Vegeta and Trunks yet claimed Goten and Trunks were giving her trouble. You also emphasized BS by showing the video of that silly special.

4. Fear actually means nothing because I bet you Mirai Trunks would crap his pants against Buu.

And arrogance is irrelevant, Vegito is a result of arrogance and was pretty OP'd. As was SSJ3 Gotenks. You don't have any scans to prove to me the boys will be arrogant enough to make a difference individually.

And yet Piccolo was still going to lose because of the energy difference, the Cell Juniors were stomping his ass BTW. The only ones fighting decently against them where Ascended Trunks and Vegeta.

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Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,839 posts) See mini bio Level 15

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Dio's stand is FTL and can freeze time for 11 seconds. How exactly can Madara beat him bloodlust. IC I would say Madara wins though because Dio likes to mess around if you're not a Joestar.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,839 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Mirai Trunks vs Goten and Trunks

@DeathHero61 said:

@SpeedForceSpider:

Like i said they are not even stronger than frieza in ssj let alone base. 

Could you do me a solid and provide some proof? Considering the fact that they managed to worry Android 18 and MSSJ Gohan is a laughable statement. If that was the case then their fusion wouldn't have done much. And they got even more experience POST ROSAT. 

End of cell saga trunks ended 17 and 18(who were slightly weaker than the present ones but none the less according to plot more powerful than frieza) in minutes then took down imperfect cell. 

That's great actually, but it doesn't mean Trunks would just be sooo much superior. I did restrict ASSJ after all.

 Goten and Trunks struggled with 18 when she was holding back. They get stomped. 

Yet she still had trouble against them and they where restricted in their movement in the costume. This doesn't prove much. 

 If they cannot even compare to Fat Buu and even fear him immensely then i don't see why they can possibly take on Mirai Trunks. In fact their feats are really low tier. Hell i'd even go as far as to argue that piccolo would beat either of them if they aren't using fusion.

Funny considering they never feared Fat Buu. You're saying this like Mirai Trunks would stand a chance against him. Hell, they would have annihilated Buu in with SSJ Gotenks with no training if they rematched him. But to say they don't compare at all to Mirai Trunks power-wise isn't factual. And you really need to provide a good argument for Piccolo, because I would bet you no one would agree with that statement.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,839 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Mirai Trunks vs Goten and Trunks

@nishi99: IDK about that, Trunks was also strong enough to annihilate the Androids and Imperfect Cell with ease in regular SSJ.

@DeathHero61: How exactly is he stomping them outright again?

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Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,839 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Mirai Trunks vs Goten and Trunks

Crap, can someone move this to the battle forums please?

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,839 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Battles » Mirai Trunks vs Goten and Trunks

Post Rosat for the boys

No Fusion

Trunks can only go SSJ

Morals on

Who wins?

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@taichokage said:

Ichigo hasn't even gone bankai yet. Way too early and even if he did, Naruto is not a joke. He might still be stronger.

This.

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