You are saying goten and trunks are as strong based off showcases that cannot even be considered as solid proof of their power.
I am saying they are strong based on their showings against opponents with better feats which is decent actually. DBZ has never been all about feats anyway, just hype and character statements. They theoretically have a chance with the rules I have placed. But to claim Trunks is as strong as his ASSJ form in regular SSJ when Vegeta clearly needed ASSJ to face Semi Cell? That is baseless, ludicrous, and downright false. Not trying to be mean, but that isn't a very sound and reasonable argument.
I went based off shown power levels and on hand showcases within the series. You entire argument was a sparring session with gohan(who's power decreased and physical and mental skill deteriorated) and a fight with 18(who suggested herself that she was holding back and the fight itself is inconsistent.) Go freaking figure.
Power levels are invalid after the Frieza saga just pointing that out. If you're referring to "power scaling", then I can also scale based off of their ROSAT training which would make them stronger by far. My argument still holds up, because it was never explicitly stated Gohan's power has deteriorated. He has mastered the SSJ form for the last time man, how does one lose mastery? Even if he lost a bit of power, he is still wayyyy stronger than Mirai Trunks, Piccolo, and all the Androids. The Dabura fight should have told you that much.
he argument got pushed to so i really don't freaking see at all why you are turning this on me.
18 was more surprised than pressured when the boys went ssj, because her opponent was supposed to be a weak, pitiful human with no ability. Trunks and Goten are nowhere near Mirai Trunks nor Piccolo. Not without fusion. #18 and others were Holding Back during the tournament to keep from maiming the other contestants. (BTW she only got "pressured" during the anime version of their fight in the manga version she stomped them and they had to go super saiyan in order to at the very least compare, and when they shot a ki blast she was very well surprised at their power and decided she had to end the fight quickly. Probably because they were going to destroy the stadium at the rate they were going. So in the case that they are above 18 they wouldn't be that far above.)
So basically, FPSSJ Gohan has lost sooo much power that he leveled down to 18 and Piccolo now? Okay I mind's well just concede then right.
Trunks and Goten were going all out while 18 was keeping herself restrained. This is the truth. Unless you want to argue that Mr Popo is on the same level as a Super Saiyan for blocking hits from the boys on the Lookout, who both went SSJ against him.
The fight between 18 and the boys might as well be a gag feat.
Except they never went all out. 18 even shat her pants when Trunks fired off and energy blast and it missed her. And the Mr. Popo thing was to show how much they lacked control. You're now trying to downplay by saying they are weaker than Raditz who would destroy Popo?
I hardly see why this would be an outliner, but I won't bother to keep responding since you just claimed they are weaker than Saiyan Saga level characters.
I am done.