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I got this $10,000 MXN grant to go to the top music school in Latin America (Fermatta) after I auditioned singing Give Me a Reason by P!nk!
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I don't know if you guys know this, but I like to draw. A lot. 
So the other day while I was on my way to Anime Conji last week I decided that it would be appropriate for me to draw something anime related. Problem was that my style i not much of an anime-type but more comic book-y. Then I remember that someone once called my drawings Disney-like, so I though I could start from there. 
 
Here's what I came up with: 

 Kingdom Hearts Meets The Little Mermaid
 Kingdom Hearts Meets The Little Mermaid
Tell me what you think! 
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
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I was scouring Deviantart the other day and found a lot of nice fan-art in honor of Japan's recent devastation. I thought that it would be nice to share my favorites with you guys. 

 Japan by =MiseryLolita
 Japan by =MiseryLolita

 Pray for Japan by kael360
 Pray for Japan by kael360

 A Thought for Japan by BlackWhiteRS
 A Thought for Japan by BlackWhiteRS

Be Japan by cocaspen
Be Japan by cocaspen

 Japan Please Be Strong by dorset
 Japan Please Be Strong by dorset
Those are my favorites, but here are a few more: 

Do you guys any favorites? Or others that you like to share that I did not post already?

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
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Hello everyone, welcome to the second installment of Anime Vice's Roundtable User Discssion. If you haven't already be sure to check out the first one HERE. If this is the first time you are reading about this then allow me to explain. A group of AV users virtually got together to talk anime and manga. I have posted our conversation below so that after you read our conversation you can submit your own opinions after reading ours.  

Let's begin by going around and introducing each other. I am Geo (sora_thekey) and I will be moderating this discussion. I like Kingdom Hearts, High School themed anime and my favorite manga is Bakuman. Here with me I have FoxxFireArt, Newten and newcomer to the roundtable: damswedon!  
 
damswedon:
Hi I'm Kurt from Nottingham UK and in 1994 at the age of three I told my mum that I thought Maid Marian in Disney's Robin Hood was pretty. I just realised that fact makes me a furry. 
 
FoxxFireArt: I already introduced myself in the last one. What a drag. Whatever, let's get this over with. I'm Kristoffer Remmell. You know me as the moderator FoxxFireArt. (my Shikamaru Nara impression) 
 
Newten: Hey there, I'm Dan from Coventry in the UK. Right now I'm really enjoying Yumekui Merry and Kore wa Zombie desu ka? I also enjoy cake
 
Great guys! Welcome. 
I asked this last time and I will ask this again. What have you been reading/watching? 

Panty & Stocking
Panty & Stocking
FoxxFireArt:
 I've been watching a lot of season one Naruto a lot as of late as I am preparing for a special wiki project. I'm working on filling out all the wiki pages for the "Search for Tsunade Arc" of the story. Past that, One Piece and Panty & Stocking.   
 
 Gunslinger Girl
 Gunslinger Girl
damswedon:
 I did just grab the first Omnibus of Gunslinger Girl which was picked up by Seven Seas Entertainment after ADL died. I already have Volume 1 - 5 in the ADL print but Seven Seas got the digital files of the Manga instead of having to scan them so the Lowlights are darker and the highlights are lighter. 
Other than that I'm still truckin' with Rio - Rainbow Gate in all its B-movie stupidity.
 
 K-ON!
 K-ON!
Newten:
 You can check out what I'm currently watching here. The most recent were the latest episodes of Fairy Tail and the new bonus episode of K-ON!Which was a lovely surprise, I do like me some K-ON! 
 
Awesome set of anime! I like me some K-On! too and I still need to catch up on Panty & Stocking. 
I actually went to a convention this past weekend. Here in my town there was a one day con for comic books, anime and video games. That was the day that I discovered that Mexico's dominant geek-vice is anime. There was tons of cosplay, which makes it into our discussion today. 
 Geo cosplaying Reno from FFVII
 Geo cosplaying Reno from FFVII
Not to put you on the spot or anything dams, but since you are the new one here. Could you explain to the class what cosplay is?
    
 
damswedon: Cosplay is a portmanteau of the English words Costume and Play, as those two words imply Cosplay is the Playing in costumes. These can be form anything you can think of but it is normally used in the context of Anime, Manga and Video Games. The term was coined by Nobuyuki Takahashi while attending the 1984 Los Angeles Science Fiction Worldcon where he saw fans dressed up as their favourite superheroes. 
 
Thanks Kurt. 
Anyone else want to add to that?  
 
 Bunny Suit
 Bunny Suit
FoxxFireArt: 
Just a fancy word for playing dress up and not feel as if you are being mocked as an adult playing dress up. People pick characters they enjoy and dress up in that style. Sometimes simple and sometimes incredibly elaborate. Some people buy their costume parts, and some make it all from scratch. Though, there are at times it has a more fetish aspect, such as the Bunny Suit; but let's not go there. 
 
Great, so now that we know what cosplay is I want to know what is your take on it. Do you guys like it? dislike it? or simply never given it a thought.
    
 
damswedon: I've never really taken Cosplay too seriously but then it has also always involved drinking or movement that needed to be unrestricted so practicality had to come first. 
 
Newten: I think cosplay is a good bit of fun. I was exposed to it fully myself not too long ago when I went to one of the MCM Expos in London. I was amazed at how many cosplayers there were! I guess all the big anime and manga fans come out of the woodwork when there's a big expo going on. It's a pretty expensive sport though. 
 
FoxxFireArt: I'm sort of on the fence about cosplay. When it's done well it can be pretty impressive. Some of the Japanese cosplay can be staggering the amount of detail goes into it. Some adults looks strange, but pretty much all kids look adorable. Though, I'm more partial to the sexy cosplay. 
 
 Power Girl Cosplay
 Power Girl Cosplay
damswedon:
Insert Power Girl cosplay joke here.  
 
A lot of people put on store-bought costumes and call themselves cosplayers. What do you guys think to that?  
 
Luffy Cosplay
Luffy Cosplay
FoxxFireArt:  It's still cosplay. Few have the skill to make clothes from plain cloth. There are some websites that even sell cosplay costumes custom made to fit the buyer. One costume I've never understood why you would need to buy is for Monkey D. Luffy. Maybe you'd have to buy the straw hat, but the rest is as simple as could be. Red-sleeveless vest, some cut off jean shorts, and sandals. 
 
I don't remember where I heard/read this but someone once said that a true cosplayer made his/her own costume.      
 
Newten: A good cosplayer is one who pulls it off well, it doesn't matter if they bought the costume or made it, though obviously it can add to the wow-factor if they made an amazing costume by themselves. 
 
damswedon: Eh, whatever floats their boat. For some the act of dressing up is the fun part while for others it is the whole process of building the costume and the journey to the cosplay part that is fun. 
I had three friends who in my last year of Comp wanted to leave school wearing Three Amigos-esq costumes two just ordered pack from a site while the third made his from his blazer. They all had the same amount of fun on that day, some people just like to take it a step further. 
 
Have you guys ever cosplayed before?     
 
FoxxFireArt: I've only cosplayed on Halloween as a child. I haven't really dressed up in years. Though, I did once make a really wild Batman costume. I made some armor that he wears on his shins and forearms. It was pretty cool. Only thing store bought was mask. 
 
damswedon:
 Nothing really more "hardcore" than Boba Fett or Alex from A Clockwork Orange. Most of my cosplay efforts are either for jokes (Ninja-Zombie-Jesus) or cross-dressing. THERE ARE NO PICTURES. 
 
This is the internet Kurt! There must be pictures.
Bleach Cosplay
Bleach Cosplay
Newten: I was going to cosplay with a bunch of friends I went to that expo with, but none of us managed to keep enough money for the costumes (video games were too damn tempting). I was thinking of going as Kira from Bleach. Maybe I'll cosplay at the next expo/con I go to, I think it'd be fun.  
 Cosplay Cafe
 Cosplay Cafe
It seems as though we all have a positive opinion of Cosplay. I think it's fun and those costumes are so elaborate you can't help but want to take pictures but let's shift this conversation a bit to the anime aspect of cosplay now. I was just watching Lucky Star the other day and saw an episode where the four protagonist go to a Cosplay Cafe.  
This is not uncommon in Japan, would you guys go to one if you had the chance?     
 
damswedon: Sure. I mean as long as the food is good I'll go there. To me the cosplay part is a non-issue.  
 
 Ore no Imouto Maid Cafe
 Ore no Imouto Maid Cafe
Newten: Yeah definitely, I bet that'd be super weird. I haven't watched Lucky Star, but the first thing that comes to mind is the episode of Ore no Imouto with the Maid Cafe (left), I'd definitely give it a try. I wonder what I'd tell the maid to call me...  
 
Hahaha. This turned out awkwarder than I thought it would. Going back to Lucky Star, there is a lot of cosplaying in that series because one of the main characters is an otaku. Are there other series (manga or anime) that includes cosplaying as part of their story that you know of?  
 
 Jessie and James Cosplaying School Girls
 Jessie and James Cosplaying School Girls
damswedon: Other than Jessie and James I can't really think of anything off the top of my head. 

Ruri Gokou
Ruri Gokou
Newten: Oh yeah there are a bunch of them. The one I just mentioned, Ore no imouto ga konna ni kawaii wake ga nai, is all about a girl who is secretly an otaku. One of her friends (right) is almost constantly in cosplay. I like anime series that feature anime within them, it's an interesting twist I think. 
 
I agree with you there. Anime that includes anime in them are a lot of fun. Genshiken seems to be fall under that category too.    
 
damswedon: I normally avoid shows about Otaku because they seem to be very much about going "Being an otaku is awesome. Well except for you because you suck." 
I'm waiting for the second wave of otaku shows where we are watching people watching people be otaku. Kinda like The Royle Family but Japanese and an Anime. 
  
Jessie and James, I like that example. Although, Jessie and James never diguise themselves as actual characters.   
 
 o_O
 o_O
damswedon: 
I think they have dressed up as pokemon one or two times and there was that (left) episode.  As far as I'm concerned Rule 63 counts.         
  
Newten:  Just so you know, Misty isn't crying out of breast envy, she's crying because she will never get that image of James out of her head... EVER.  

If I dress up as a medieval man or a sailor, am I a cosplayer?  
 
FoxxFireArt: It's still technically cosplay, but I think the more specific sense is that you are dressing up as a certain character. Not just randomly dressing up. 
 
 Shinigami Cosplay
 Shinigami Cosplay
Newten: Yeah that's still cosplay, I'm pretty sure there's no rule stating it has to be a specific character. At that expo I went to there were lots of people in generic Bleach Shinigami outfits, but they weren't specific characters. In my opinion it's definitely better when it is a specific character though, cosplayers get more attention when people know who they're supposed to be. 
 
 Stormtrooper Cosplay
 Stormtrooper Cosplay
Generic costumes seem to be overdone don't you think. Not that it's anime, but aren't there enough Stormtroopers at conventions?  
 
Newten:
  A con isn't a con without some stormtroopers!  
 
 Slave Leia Cosplay
 Slave Leia Cosplay
damswedon: The generic costumes always help put emphasis on the special cases. And hey a few more Slave Girl Leias don't hurt anyone. 

People who are devoted cosplayers seem to make costumes more and more complicated. Can you think of a character who would probably seem impossible to cosplay?  
 
FoxxFireArt:
 Impossible to cosplay as seems to be an impossible idea. All you really need to do is have the general idea. I can think of quiet a few characters you can't cosplay as and not get arrested for going out in public.   
 
      Cthulhu
      Cthulhu
damswedon:
 This is a personal taste thing but I think no-one could make an up-to-date representation of Cthulhu. The original squid monster thing while being mind shatteringly scary in the first half of the 20th century is now quite tame. For something to create abject terror in the modern world would have to be much more psychological. 
 
 Peterhausen
 Peterhausen
Newten: 
Ummm.... to be honest as long as the character is fairly humanoid-shaped, pretty much anything can be done. I don't know, maybe Peterhausen? That would be pretty tough right? That guy's a dragon. 
 
I've seen pretty good dragon cosplay!   

Newten:
 Well there you go then, clearly nothing is impossible!  
 
Alright, last question! 
If you were cosplayers, who would you cosplay? What would be the ultimate cosplay achievement for you? 
  

 Lelouch Lamperouge Cosplay
 Lelouch Lamperouge Cosplay
FoxxFireArt:
I think it depends on the outfit. Some things i wouldn't mind cosplaying as. Perhaps Lelouch Lamperouge in this Zero outfit, I could also doTakashi Komuro from Highschool of the DeadShinichi Kudo from Detective Conan (NOT Case Closed), or maybe the Ezio outfit from Assassin's Creed 2. Though, it would be hard to pull off Takashi Komuro without some of buxom Highschool of the Dead girls in cosplay with me. =D I'd be good with either Saeko or Saya. I find Rei Miyamoto a tad annoying.   

 Dune
 Dune
damswedon:
 Not anime but Sting in Dune for the first question especially this costume (right). For the second it would be to be able to put on the weight to pull off a Orson Wells in Touch of Evil. (I'm barely 103 pounds and 5 ft 5) 
 
Newten: I'd get a bunch of friends together and do this:  
  
  
Hahaha! Awesome answers. I still say I want to cosplay Sora from Kingdom Hearts, but I need to loose weight and gets some zippers and belts.  
With that note I think it's time to say goodbye.
    
 
FoxxFireArt:
 It's been fun, but I have to go cook dinner, now. つづく(tsuzuku) 
 
Newten: 
Thanks for having me again, somehow I ended up finding that Japanese Nike video again so I know I've had fun, it's been a pleasure sirs. 
 
damswedon:
 Thank you for having me and in the words of the great Dave Allen "Goodnight and may your god go with you."  
 
I am Geo/sora_thekey signing off!  
Replay Japanese Nike Video? Sure why not!...

 
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
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What's a Con without Cosplay? NOTHING!
This past weekend the ComCom!! 2011 event happend here in Tijuana, Mexico (Bender from Futurama jokes are acceptable). I attended and even cosplayed for the first time ever!
This was the first time ever I realized how much my fellow Tijuanenses were into anime and manga. Most of them are more into it than I was! (A lot of people are, but you know what I mean) This results in a lot of Cosplay photos. So without further ado I present you cosplay ala-Mexican:

 Me! Cosplayin Reno from Final Fantasy
 Me! Cosplayin Reno from Final Fantasy

It was tons of fun! I am definitely going next year. The special guest of the show was even the Mexican representative of the World Cosplay Summit in Japan.
What do you guys think? Do Mexicanos cut it as cosplayers? I know I might not but check out the rest!
  
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
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Hello Anime Vice users, welcome to the sites' first ever "Roundtable User Discussion".
Let me explain a bit of what this is. This idea began at our sister site, Comic Vine, where a handful of users virtually got together to discuss a topic related to comic books. After a successful first Roundtable (which you can read HERE) I thought it would be nice to do a similar discussion here on Anime Vice. So, a bunch of AV users virtually met up to talk anime, manga and more. 
After you read our conversation be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours.

So let's begin! Hi I am Geo ( sora_thekey) moderator of this discussion. I have five Anime Vice users with me who you guys may know: sickVisionz, FoxxFireArt, Newten, sotyfan16 and ShadowKnight508. Welcome to the first ever Anime Vice "Roundtable" guys.  
 
FoxxFireArt: Greetings, Watashi wa namae Kristoffer Remmell desu. I was born and raised in Northern Kentucky. I'm a free lance graphic artist who creates a 4koma project based on the second season of Code Geass that was quite popular on the internet. I gave permission for it be translated into five different languages. I've been into manga and anime since maybe middle school but more so after high school. I'm pretty much into everything except yuri and yaoi stories.I enjoy action, adventure, ecchi, and a little hentai. This gives me a pretty good knowledge on most facets of anime and manga. I am also morally and passionately against censorship. I'm catching up on a variety of shows, but one I watch very regularly is One Piece.  
 
ShadowKnight508: Hello, I am Will Anderson from the valleys of Northern California, and I have been an anime/manga fan since the days of when the Pokemon/ Digimon shows began in the late 1990's. I am a big fan of all things harem/ecchi, action/adventure, and comedy anime-wise, so if you have recommendations on a good series, drop me a line! Right now, I am playing catch up on One Piece and reading the Sora no Otoshimono manga.
 
sotyfan16: Hi everyone! I'm sotyfan16. I'm a regular user of Anime Vice but some of you may recognize me from the Dunce Cap video blogs and a number of Beginner's Guides. I have only been regularly into anime since 2008 and have since accumulated a nice collection of anime and manga. I also work on anime ideas of my own from time to time while learning some Japanese here and there. I find it funny that my name is Will, too!
 
Haha so we'll call you guys ShadowWill and Willfan16.
 
sickVisionz: Hey, this is William Taylor aka sickVisionz on the site. I'm a Georgia native and have have been watching anime casually since I was a little kid back in the 80s and early 90s with stuff like Voltron, Saber Rider and Samurai Pizza Cats. I got into anime seriously around 2001 when my roommate during my freshman year invited me out to watch Vampire Hunter D at out school's movie theater. My tastes in anime are all over the place with a list of favorites that include show like Paniponi Dash, School Days, Naruto, Erin, Nana and Time of Eve but I always have a soft spot for series that are a bit of a downer. 
 
Willfan16: Is 3 Williams getting out of hand? Maybe it's just fishy...It is and awesome name though. 
 
sickVisionz: Yeah, Will's are awesome.  No shock there.  If it counts, my second name is Christopher so we've got two of those as well.

Newten:
I'm Dan and I'm here to party. 
 
 After the Quake
 After the Quake
Cool now that we know a little bit about each other. Let's get started.
First of all I want to bring up a sad conversation. We all know that the point of origin to all out anime and manga vices was recently struck hard by the earthquakes and tsunami. Anything you guys would like to mention about this?

 
ShadowWill:
My heart goes out to all those affected by this disaster in Japan. As a responsible individual and a charitable one, I went forth and donated the $100 that I had intended to buy more Fate/stay Night and Rosario + Vampire Season II manga to the Disaster Relief Fund of the Red Cross. I hope that no one involved in the manga/anime industry was injured or adversely affected by this tragic earthquake/tsunami disaster. 
 
Newten: I think with all the coverage it's had there isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said, I'd just urge anyone with any spare cash to donate to Red Cross to help Japan out right now. I will say this though, all the people out there saying this is some sort of retribution for Pearl Harbour and whatever else needs a good kick to the face. 
 
Willfan16: I can't say enough that it is a tragic event. While not on the scale of the tsunami a few years ago, this one has had a greater impact on the world in regards to business and travel. While I have not donated money to relief myself, I have re-tweeted some so that more money goes to Japan to provide aid. Many anime/manga creators have also contributed money. I read that One Piece creator, Eiichiro Oda, gave 15 Million Yen (a little over $183,000) of his own money. 
 
FoxxFireArt: Well, Oda sure can afford it. Seeing how the past few volumes of One Piece in Japan have been selling over 2 Million units in their first four days of release. Those kind of sales are astounding.
 
sickVisionz: I send wishes of peace and love out to everyone affected by the horrible tragedy that took place in Japan.

FoxxFireArt: The events in Japan are utterly tragic and it's disturbing how the people can't catch a break so far. First earthquakes, tsunami, and now fires at nuclear reactors threatening a contamination leak. Past that. I'm not sure the topic is incredibly appropriate for a bunch of people across the Atlantic who can only guess at the trauma inflicted. I just hope that no more have to lose their lives and families than has already happened.
 
 Sora no Otoshimono
 Sora no Otoshimono
Alright, Foxx makes a good point. Let's move on. 
First of all I wanted to know what was the latest manga you read and/or anime you watched. 
 
sickVisionz:
The last anime I watched was Naruto Shippuden #202 earlier today and the last manga I read was Naruto #531
 
ShadowWill:
Hmm...the latest manga that I have read is Chapter 48, Volume 11 of the Sora no Otoshimono manga. Tomoki and Astraea get involved in antics that nearly lead to a castration and being killed by the powerful Yakuza family of Mikako. 
As for the latest anime that I have watched, One Piece Episode 130. It wraps up the end of the long, interesting Baroque Works Saga: Arabasta Arc in which Luffy and the gang help save the Kingdom of Arabasta for their friend Vivi from the Baroque Works Organization and it's wicked, heartless leader, Mr. 0.
 
 AiON
 AiON
Willfan16: The last one I read was AiON Vol. 2 (though I just finished 7 other volumes). The most recent anime I watched was Onii-chan No Koto Nanka Zenzen Suki Janain Dakara Ne!! episode 10.
 
Newten: The latest anime episode I've watched is Fairy Tail episode 70, which I've been following for a while now and I'm thoroughly enjoying it every week, there's something I find refreshing about it compared to things like Bleach. Speaking of which, the latest manga chapter I've read is Bleach chapter 440. Honestly, I don't really know what to think of Bleach these days, in my opinion it's just not what it used to be. I hope it picks up and becomes more interesting soon, but I'll trudge on regardless.
 
FoxxFireArt: The last volume I read was Fullmetal Alchemist Vol. 21 and I still need to catch up on my scanlations for One Piece, BLEACH, and I'm way behind on the scans of Naruto. Scans are the only way to enjoy those series properly. I did re-watch Soul Easter Ep. 1 on FUNimation the other day. I wanted to format the Anime Vice wiki pages for the episode. 
 
In my case, I just finished reading Amnesia Labyrinth Vol. 1, Ultimo Vol. 2, Alice in the Country of Hearts Vol. 1 and watched Mitsudomoe Episode 2.
 Sundome
 Sundome
Most of you mentioned series that are well over the 100 episode/chapter mark. We always begin on epidose/chapter one. Think of your favorite manga or anime. What was it that made you want to keep reading or watching after that first episode or volume? 
 
Willfan16: My favorite manga is Sundome (pronounced suhn-doh-may). What made me kept reading it is the story. To be frank, the protagonist develops a relationship with a girl who says she will not have sex with him. Period. Then came a flurry of strange fetishes, comedy, and drama. I was hooked off the bat and now own all 8 volumes.
For anime it has to be Code Geass. I kept watching the series from episode 1 because I just knew the story was going to be smart and full of action. Great anime overall and my top favorite. The dub voices also kept bringing me back-and maybe Kallen.  
 
ShadowWill: Hmm...my favorite anime to this day is Bleach, even though I am currently slogging through the Bount Arc (currently on Episode 104). What kept me interested in it was the cast of characters, the random moments, the humor, and watching Ichigo and the gang overcome each new threat that threatens either the Soul Society or Japan. 
As for manga, the Sora no Otoshimono manga is addictive for several reason. Seeing how far Tomoki will go to achieve his perverted desires (which all backfire), seeing the gang get involved in wild misadventures, and the great ecchi-infused humor is what keeps me reading it each time a new chapter is released on MangaFox.
 
FoxxFireArt: The Bount Arc is really boring, but it's weird how those Mod Souls introduced in that story are kept and added to the events of canon episodes.
 
Willfan16: Bount Arc sucks and I wish I would have skipped it. Only been watching the dub so I'm only at ep 180.  
 
ShadowWill:
I would skip it, but as stated earlier, I am a completion-ist, so I will continue to slog through it and hope for better episodes after Ichigo takes down the Bount. 
 
  Yumekui Merry
  Yumekui Merry
Newten: Well, if we're going for favorite series of all time, then I'm one of the Dragon Ball Z kids. I was instantly hooked on that show all those years ago. It's just the ultimate testosterone-fuelled power fantasy, there are other franchises that come close, like Bleach and Naruto, but they still aren't quite the same. 
Now if we're talking about my favorite series right now, I'd have to say Yumekui Merry. It's got a great story, really interesting characters and it stands out as something fairly original. Lots of anime series play it safe to appeal to a wide audience, so it's nice to see something different. 
Basically whatever the franchise is, if it draws me in and keeps me interested, I'll keep following it.
 
sickVisionz:
My favorite long running anime series would be Naruto.  I actually started with the third or fourth episode because that's where Cartoon Network was at the time.  What kept me watching it at that point was that it was funny and I thought that it'd be pretty cool to see them use the tactics and tricks they learning during combat.  A few episodes later they did (Team 7 vs Zabuza) and I've been hooked ever since then. 
 
Cool, now I have a couple of series I want to take a look at after what you guys said! None of us live in Japan but we understand that the process of anime series is a lot different that that of a television series (whether it's animated or not).
 That 80s Show?
 That 80s Show?
Usually that first episode (Pilot) is what tells the people working on the series if they will continue or not. Anime, on the other hand, usually has an ending panned out from the start.
Which process do you guys think works better? (In this case I guess that series like Bleach, Naruto, One Piece and Fairy Tail would have to be excluded) 
 
Newten: Uhh, good question. I guess I'd say anime works better, because anime based on manga is already tried and tested. They don't just turn any manga into full-blown anime, it has to be popular enough. I've seen so many TV shows tank because they don't get the viewing numbers they need, it's a shame.  
 
FoxxFireArt:
I just find it a bit silly when an anime tones down violence or nudity from the manga counterpart. Remember in BLEACH how Kuukaku Shiba has an amputated arm for the manga, but the anime version they added a prosthetic arm that doesn't do anything?
 
ShadowWill: I think the anime process works better overall. It has a story, it has the ending in place for when it does end, and to me that is better than doing a Pilot episode like TV shows do. Anyone remember the FOX pilot for That '80's Show? No? It was on for 1 episode less than a year after That '70's Show ended, but hardly anyone remembers it. 
 
That 80s Show? I didn't even know there was such a thing.
 
Rei Tachibana from Paniponi Dash
Rei Tachibana from Paniponi Dash
sickVisionz: I think it's totally case by case. Paniponi Dash and Hayate no Gotoku don't really go anywhere and I think the series is pretty much flying blind and doesn't really follow any type of overarching plot, but they're some of my favorites. On the other hand a show like Erin is completely planned out from the get go and it's really good as well.  I think it's an issue of execution more than one being better than the other by default. 
 
Willfan16: I still enjoy a few American TV shows but I have to say that anime feels so much better in regards to storyline. I like how anime is done because usually there is source material (manga, video game, etc.). Also, anime runs by the actual seasons of the year so they are somewhat easy to keep track of and watch (just over 20 min time commitment).
  
 Naruto, One Piece and Bleach
 Naruto, One Piece and Bleach
Newten makes a good point though. TV shows depend on ratings so much that sometimes good shows can't advance. Plus, like Willfan16 said, the source material is well established unlike other shows where the writing advances as the show progress. I would also like to add that anime seems to have a better grasp of story since an ending has been set in place. There is no need for fillers. How is it that it works for shows like Bleach, Naruto and One Piece? They certainly don't seem to be ending soon. 
 
Willfan16: For anime/manga like Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece I look to Bakuman (both the anime and manga) to say that they are battle manga and therefore attract a large and dedicated demographic from the very start with Shonen Jump. Also, Bleach and Naruto get broadcast on TV. These long-running series provide the more simple things in anime, which makes them more open to popular appeal. The really good stuff is in the niche series. 
 
sickVisionz: He summed up my opinion on it 
 
Willfan16:
lol Yes! The only thing I can add is to say that shonen tittles are able to keep going because of all the anime-only filler that gets thrown in to keep the franchise alive. 

ShadowWill: The filler takes place so that the manga can on occasion catch up to or surpass the anime, since the anime can catch up to the manga from time to time (reason for all of those filler episodes on Naruto that lasted for months). I do not mind filler, so long as it involves the characters that I care about doing something relevant.
 
sickVisionz:
I agree with your thoughts on filler Shadow. I think it gets an incredibly bad rep from anime fans in general. I don't like bad filler but when a filler episode is interesting and highlights characters who don't always get a lot of time in the spotlight, I don't get where the hatred for it comes from.
 
Bleach
Bleach
Willfan16: I've only seen Bleach filler and that was the Bount Arc, so my opinion is not to be taken as well informed. Overall I think that there is good and bad filler. The good helps shed more light on less important characters and the bad provides a meandering tangent of usually some nice action but boring story. 
 
FoxxFireArt:
I actually dropped out of watching the anime of BLEACH just as the Hueco Mundo Arc started, but I've been meaning to catch up. I dropped out of the Naruto anime about the time of Sai joining the team. 
  
Newten: There are always exceptions to the rule. Bleach, Naruto and One Piece are just massively popular manga series that keep on going with no end in sight. Still, apart from filler the anime is still based on the manga, so as long as the manga is popular, the anime will likely be popular too.   
 
FoxxFireArt: I'm not so sure about Naruto though, that seems to ending with the way the manga is going. We now know Naruto's origin, who the main villain is, there is this giant war where all the characters are facing the figurative and quite literal "ghosts of their past", and I don't see how Kishimoto tops this unless he's sending Naruto into space. All that's really left after this is to finish up the events with Sasuke. I just don't see where Kishimoto can take Naruto with the way things are going unless they have some drastic reboot, ala Dragonball Z. One Piece, on the other hand, is only at the very literal half way point. Funny when Oda thought the series was only going to last a maximum of seven years. 
 
 Bakuman
 Bakuman
So how I understand it Foxx, you are saying that it all depends on how much story you can squeeze out of the characters and settings. Bakuman actually thought me about the differences on why some of the manga are more popular than others, but I want your opinions.
 
FoxxFireArt: Well, the idea of what makes one manga/anime more popular than any other is kind of a mystery. Something that writers struggle with constantly. It's hard to tell what's going to be popular. Most manga series will often start out as one-shots in magazines such as Shonen Jump in Japan or it's publication serialized manga magazine equivalents. I'm not sure if there was ever a simple one-shot of BLEACH, but I know that there were one-shots that were rather different than the final product of One Piece and Naruto. Soul Eater started as a three-part one-shot that was picked up for serialized for monthly release. Though, now that I think of it, the first chapter of BLEACH seemed like a one-shot since some of the early events contradict events from the rest of the following chapters. It's with the ghost of the dead girl. She didn't have a soul chain on her chest and that was suppose to be a part of what separates ghosts from Hollows. The chain was added for the anime version of the scene.  
 
So those Shonen Jump magazine one-shots could easily be the "Pilots" of the manga industry. 
 
FoxxFireArt:
Shonen Jump isn't the only manga anthology magazine. There are many others. The U.S. version of Shonen Jump is utterly pointless though. 
 
A lot of people tend to say, "it gets better in the third episode." or "the first volume is not good, it is better in the sixth volume". Let me ask the prominent question: How important are the first episode/chapter of a series? 
 
Newten:
If it's really exciting and interesting, it needs to maintain that to some degree in it's following chapters, otherwise people will drop it. I think it's actually better if it doesn't blow everyone's sock off, but shows promise. Then it can build up after the first chapter and become more and more popular as it progresses. Either way, that first chapter is definitely important. If it fails to grab any attention, it's done.  

 R.O.D
 R.O.D
ShadowWill: The first chapter/episode of a series is very important to the overall success of the anime/manga in question. Most readers/viewers judge what they see in the first episode/chapter and use that as a decision point as to "should I continue or pass on this".  First impressions are everything, and failing to anything major in the 1st episode that warrants the attention or caring of potential fans can be the deathblow to the series. I wish that Read or Die (R.O.D) was more than three episodes, for I loved the three episodes that I saw on Adult Swim in 2006/2007. 
 
FoxxFireArt: Most series tend to get better when they get the chance to evolve and grow. When series begin, they spend so much time on exposition rather than story telling. They are trying to explain this new world to the reader.
   
Willfan16:
I think the first episode of an anime is quite important as it needs to give the general idea of what the story is and who the characters are. Now, I'm guilty of watching a number of shows that don't quite do that but they caught me as interesting so I kept watching further eps. For me the first volume of a manga tells me what I need to know for whether or not I'll keep purchasing the series. The nice thing is my math tells me there are generally 3 anime episodes/volume of manga. I think manga is a lot better (obviously since it's the source material) at letting the reader know who the characters are, where the story is starting out, and an idea of what's to come. So overall, while the first ep/volume is important, it isn't always a turn off if I'm not super wowed until the next one. 

 Neon Genesis Evangelion
 Neon Genesis Evangelion
sickVisionz: I've always thought that the opening episode is critical. It's the whole you only get one first impression thing. I don't see this too often anymore, but when I first got into anime it seemed like most anime didn't really try to make a good first impression. In fact, the earlier episodes were often some of the worst in the entire series. A good first episode to me introduces the basic tone and concepts of series. A good example for me would be Evangelion, that's a nice introduction to the basics of the series and sets up what's going to come afterward.  I think that's the ideal method to approaching a first episode. 
 
I like the way sick and ShadowWill worded that. The first episode/chapter is definitely the "First Impression" for the reader/audience. Then again, Newten makes another good point. I am a huge fan of the Digimon franchise, and we never saw the evil digimon scheming against the kids until halfway in the series. I wouldn't want for the first episode of the series to be better than the last. Like Foxx said, there needs to be progression.
 
All very good points. If you were to recommend the first chapter of a manga or the first episode an anime, just as a stand-alone "one-shot" what would you recommend? 
 
FoxxFireArt:
I don't get the meaning of your question. Are you asking for specific examples from series, or just in general manga/anime? 
 
Well, what I meant was: if you were to recommend a first episode or a first chapter as a compelling enough story to stand alone which would you recommend?
 
 Katanagatari
 Katanagatari
sickVisionz: Wow, this is a bit of a hard one. It took me a while but I'd say Katanagatari. It's a 12 episode series about two people on a quest to collect twelve swords and, surprise surprise, one sword is collected per episode.  I think that would work as a one shot because it completely wraps up the story that it's trying to tell in a neat and tidy way. I think a lot of episodic shows would work well for this one-shot method as well because each episode is telling it's own story and reaches a conclusion that feels satisfying.  A one-shot that introduces a bunch of questions and doesn't really resolve anything would make me want to punch a brick.  
 
 Soul Eater
 Soul Eater
FoxxFireArt: I say the first three episodes of Soul Eater are good to watch. Since most manga in the U.S. are in volume forms. It's hard to recommend a single chapter. The problem is that most of the first chapters of mangas are pretty much stand alone. You'll notice that in a volume format, the first chapter is almost always longer than average. Naruto, BLEACH, One Piece, Highschool of the Dead, and Negima!. The list goes on with manga. Also, very few first episodes of anime are "to be continued" (though every episode of One Piece ends with that title card).

 Rainbow
 Rainbow
Willfan16: Ugh..that's a tough one. For manga I say check out Vol. 1 of Ultimo. It's different and interesting. Plus, you can't go wrong with Stan Lee! For anime I'm going to say episode 1 of Rainbow. Rainbow is good on so many levels to me so I'll simply say the series is dramatic in a wonderful and engrossing way. 
 
 Freezing
 Freezing
ShadowWill: Hmm...as a Ecchi/Harem fan, I can recommend taking a look at the Heaven's Lost Property (also known as Sora no Otoshimono) anime. Witness Tomoki Sakurai as his quiet, peaceful (although perverted) way of life is shattered by the arrival of a mysterious angel that falls from the skies. 
As for manga, Chapter #1 of the Freezing manga was pretty good and got me interested in it. Those are the two that I can recommend at this time.

 Zero no Tsukaima
 Zero no Tsukaima
Newten: The first episode of Zero no Tsukaima. If offers a good introduction to the main characters and you can relate to the protagonist, Saito, because he comes from the real world (kind of like Alice in Wonderland). It really drew me in.
 
 Lucky Star
 Lucky Star
Wow I really want to watch Zero no Tsukaima now that you compared it to Alice in Wonderland!
In my case I would recommend X-Men: Misfits Vol. 1, if you read comic books then you might not like it because it's so different from the original comic counterpart but then again you might enjoy the change of pace. As for anime, if you like moe and pointless conversation then watch Lucky Star. Most of the episodes stand alone as it is anyways!
 
Well, that's all there is to say about this topic (Well, there's probably more but we've gone on for quite enough). Share with us what you think about the first chapters and first episodes in the comments below.
Would you guys like to say good bye.
 
ShadowWill:
I have nothing more to say...I am late in doing some chores around the house....I will take my leave. Good luck on the post, sora_thekey xD
Farewell, my fellow AV Roundtable Discussion members....it has been a pleasure.
 
Willfan16:
It's been fun doing this and I hope to see you all again. Feel free to ask me about any of the anime or manga I mentioned and look forward to more discussions like this and more material from me! Now...Silence! I keel you! * Achmed voice*
 
sickVisionz:
As a closer I'd like to say thanks to Sora for coming up with the idea and it's been a pleasure to participate.
 
FoxxFireArt:
I've enjoyed the discussion. I do think it could of branched out to talk about series specifically, but we'll save that for another time.
 
Newten:
Thanks for having me! Even if nobody finds this interesting it's been fun for me, I hope we get to do more. 
Next week's topic is "gratuitous use of breast-bouncing in anime" right? Alright I'm in. 
 
Nice try Dan! 
Anyways, I am Geo/sora_thekey signing off. Bye!  さようなら  

 
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