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I got this $10,000 MXN grant to go to the top music school in Latin America (Fermatta) after I auditioned singing Give Me a Reason by P!nk!
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About two weeks ago I headed down to a convention in Tijuana, Baja California Mexico (Just a bit south of San Diego, CA). Mexicans' appeal for anime is a whole other culture. Most of Japan's educational system is very similar to that of Mexico's. All schools require uniforms and I don't need to tell you that Mexico has a knack for spices, kind of like Japan. The convention I went to was more of a Japanese culture event rather than just anime. Three Japanese bands (Kiryu, Kazha and Lemon Drop Kick) even came all the way from the land of anime itself and played live. Added to that martial arts shows, Japanese food and, of course, cosplay compiled the full on event.

I left with a sunburn, the taste a rice ball and a Sora plushie. I enjoyed myself a lot!

Special Thanks to my friend Alhan Anaya for taking most of these awesome pictures

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey

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 Future Diary
 Future Diary

Sakae Esuno, writer of Future Diary (Mirai Nikki), will launch a new series this summer. Kadokawa Shoten confirmed that a volume of this new manga would be published monthly in Shonen Ace Magazine. Esuno’s Future Diary manga series was first published in 2006 and the final volume of the series will be distributed by the end of this month. The Future Diary anime will premiere in the fall.

Future Diary is one of my personal favorite manga. Therefore, this new series Esuno and Kadokawa Shoten are launching is a book, that I will definitely be looking into. Will you?

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey   

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Hello there Anime Vice users!  If you are asking yourselves "WTF?! Where am I? and what is this about" then let me explain how this works. A couple of AV users, like yourselves, virtually met up to talk anime, manga and other related topics. That conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After you read our conversation be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Also, be sure to go back and read the comic book-related discussions we had in the past. (Here).  

I am Geo, also known as the Digimon-loving sora_thekey, and I will be moderating this conversation. "Sitting" with me is Roundtable regular, damswedon and newcomers, Halberdierv2 and Count_Zero! Welcome!

damswedon: Hello. I'm Kurt and currently I feel like I fell into an Ultimate Warrior Promo.

Halberdierv2: Hey, I'm Stefan, and I'm quite happy to finally make it after a few attempts to get on the discussion table!

Count_Zero: Hi, I'm Count_Zero, and this is my first time, and I look forward to adding my old-school perspective.

Glad you guys could join me! First of all, before we get to the hard-core conversation, I want to know what is up with you guys. Anime/Manga-wise.
So what have you been watching, reading or doing that pertains to our common denominator here?

 Tsubasa
 Tsubasa
Count_Zero: On the Manga front, I've been reading some Tsubasa, and for Anime I've been watching Baccano! and I just got Armitage III: Poly-Matrix from Netflix, and I'm looking forward to watching that.

 Gintama
 Gintama
Halberdierv2: I have been keeping up with Bleach and Naruto on the manga side, and enjoying the World War Arc's quirks. I also watched the grand return of Gintama, which takes it's place back as the funniest anime Ive ever seen. Particularly with some of the twists in the opening special.

My Ordinary Life (Nichijou)
My Ordinary Life (Nichijou)
damswedon: Well I was able to cut down the shows of this season down to We Without WingsMy Ordinary Life and Hanasaku Iroha. Also because I want to climb my way up the most reviews written list I started to watch some older shows like Dragon Crisis!Wandering Son and for good measureTime of Eve.

 The Third: The Girl With the Blue Eye
 The Third: The Girl With the Blue Eye
You guys have kept busy. I have been trying out some of the Spring Season anime on Crunchyroll and I just started watching The Third: The Girl With the Blue Eye. I also started reading Library Wars and I finished reading I Am Here. Also anime-related. Two weeks ago I went to my first anime convention in San Diego called Anime Conji.

Now that we have covered what we've been doing so far lets talk about the hard-core main topic: American Influence in Anime.
Count_Zero, what do you understand by that term: "American Influenced Anime"?

Panty and Stocking
Panty and Stocking
Count_Zero: First off, I'll say what I think theinsert term isn't, just to narrow things down for me - it isn't co-productions. Animatrix, Batman Gotham Knight, all the various stuff based on Gerry Anderson shows (Thunderbirds) , etc. are out.
As far as what it is, I'd say films and TV series influenced by American projects and properties (even if they're series animated in Japan in whole or in part), but not necessarily based on them. So, for example, Big O (inspired by Batman: The Animated Series), Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, and parts of FLCL, for example, would fit.

 Avatar: The Last Airbender
 Avatar: The Last Airbender
What about series that are considered anime but are made in the US? Like Avatar: The Last Airbender or Teen Titans. Would these series fit in with that "term"?

Count_Zero: I'd probably give that a different term like, I dunno, Japanese Influenced Animation. It's animation generally done by western studios (with out-sourcing to Korea and China as needed - as is Standard Operating Procedure these days), but the most of the people creatively driving the episodes are from more Western countries (I'm including French productions like Winx Club on here too), but they're taking stylistic references from Japanese works, either stylistically, like Teen Titans, or in terms of narrative structure, or both in the case of Avatar. 
Though, I tend to get hung up on semantics sometimes. ;-)

 Iron Man
 Iron Man
Halberdierv2: Well, as the Count said, a lot of shows like avatar and Teen titans often have their productions outsourced to other places such as Japan China and so on for animation purposes. Admittedly, Teen Titans is a special case in that its a hybrid Anime/Western show, which can be seen by japanese influence in expressions, Puffy Ami Yumi doing the intro, and even a Japan movie. As for shows which have fallen under the category:
there really aren't too many of them in the past, although there were cases of Astro Boy being influenced by Disney ( I think), and a few shows having actually a reverse effect (eg. Kimba vs The Lion king). In recent times, there's been more of these shows coming, mainly from Marvel, which has brought X-Men, Iron Man, Wolverine and the not-so-well-known (at least by me) Heroman.

Well, we are going to talk about all of the anime that have some kind of American influence, whether made in the Us or are based off of  a Western source. Let's first talk about Madhouse's Marvel project. Iron Man, Wolverine, X-Men and shortly Blade all have an anime translation what are you guy's opinion on these?

Wolverine
Wolverine
Count_Zero: I haven't had a chance to watch Iron Man and Wolverine yet, but I'm looking forward to them. The last similar project I'd encountered (Kia Asamiya's Batman: Child of Dreams) was a very good read and was, IMHO, a good introduction to the character for those who are new to the series, but with some nice references to the mythology for those who know more about the character. I'm hoping we'll get the same thing with these series. 

damswedon: Well I wrote a review of Wolverine *SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT* and well to put it simply I think the Marvel shows so far have been two giant turds. And based on the fact that I couldn't make it through the first 10 mins of X Men it is very likely to be a turd as well. But one of major problems with those shows has been they feel like Anime made and written by people who have no clue how to plot and pace good Anime. I won't go into spoilers but when your only just trying to give the main villain a motivation in the last episode you done effed up.

 DC Comics
 DC Comics
Halberdierv2: The Madhouse interpretations of these Marvel franchises are potentially a good Idea if they were done well. Im not sure how popular these guys are in Japan now, but if they have a good start, I could see other companies like DC dropping some of their franchises in anime form as well. also, since Japan is a lot more crossover-friendly than the US, you probably could expect to see a few clashes between rival companies more often than a one-shot comic (Wolverine vs Batman, anyone?). 
I don't have all that much viewer-ship of the Marvel conversions, but I've heard some negative comments about the character interprteation, for example, of Wolverine in his latest anime. his back story is different, and brings in characters that weren't in his mythos, and ignoring some of his classic and well known rivals. I suppose initailly this is to get a Japanese feel for a Japanese audience, but it doesn't always speak good of the original story intention.

 Hitsugaya
 Hitsugaya
Count_Zero: Just a little addendum - I have hopes that the X-Men anime will turn out well. I've noticed that team series work better in anime then solo heroes. Even Shonen series like Naruto and Bleach live and die by their supporting cast, which sometimes (*cough* Hitsugaya*cough*) end up outshining the leads.

Halberdierv2: Yea, Hitsuguya right now is more interesitng than half of the bleach charcters, and his recent role in a filler paired up with Karin again was a good tease.

Hal you mentioned something important. You said you could see other companies like DC. Do you guys think this could be an opening for other comic book stories or US media to be translated into anime by Japanese companies?

damswedon: Do you mean Comic Book titles or are we widening the scope to include Video Games and the like?

I mean any US media...

 Heroman
 Heroman
Halberdierv2: I see it only happening of the initial companies do it well. I don't think all of Marvel's Japanese endeavours have been failures so far, Heroman has reached mimetic popularity, so maybe interest generated of an unusual source might also be a success factor.

 Halo Legends
 Halo Legends
Wasn't there a Halo anime once?

Count_Zero: Yes there was - Halo Legends. Unfortunately I haven't seen it yet (something I need to rectify - it's on Netflix Streaming).

Halberdierv2: Addendum: One of the stumbling blocks between getting a succesful american anime in japan is culture difference. they have to get enough appeal to garner to their audience, since Japan isn't so receptive of outside cultures as we in the West are. Certain behaviors that we accept over here, such as high violence levels with guns and explosives and such really isn't popular in Japan, so violence powerhouses like Wolverine aren't gonna do well, and are gonna get bowlderdised in a similar fashion to a lot of animes brought over to the west.

That's very true! In a way these are made to appeal a different audience than the usual anime-fanatics.

 Black Lagoon
 Black Lagoon
Count_Zero: I'd disagree on the point of the violence. Black Lagoon appears to have done very well, and that's all about violence with guns and explosives (and the emotional effects that violence has on people). Berserk is also violent and gory as hell, and it's also very popular - the only reason it's currently on hiatus is because it's author is allergic to deadlines (a trait shared by some western comic writers, particularly Kevin Smith).

Halberdierv2: Also, I could see some stereotypes still succeeding. I could see a Spider-Man swinging the streets of Tokyo doing well if they can get some interesting Japanese Archetypes to work with. also, Superman could do well with a similar fashion. of course, assuming they can set a solid enough foundation, the concept of crossovers can come in and work wonders.

 Japanese Spider-Man
 Japanese Spider-Man
I am guessing you never saw the Japanese Spider-Man show.

Halberdierv2: * Embarrassed Look* Nope, I haven't. 

DON'T

Count_Zero: I think part of the problem comic book heroes have had in carrying over to Japan is, to a certain extent, the same problems that they've had in catching real mainstream popularity in the US - the history of camp and corniness they've had since the days of the Comics Code. However, you're right-on in the resistance to outside cultures. While supers comics were able to persevere in the US because they were the only game in town in their medium (aside from Archie), so the camp only did damage to mature readers - in Japan they were up against domestic products that provided a broader range of material. By the time that the Comics Code started losing clout, and stuff like Dark Knight Returns started coming out, the damage had already been done in Japan, unfortunately.

 X-Men
 X-Men
Halberdierv2: As I said earlier, due to fewer companies running the animation and rights in Japan, it's more likely to see some crossovers between characters that would almost certainly never happen in the West. If these characters can get hyped up enough, they can make a big mark on the anime landscape. Beserk and Black lagoon aren't as mainstream in the same sense as the American characters. Every boy from since they turn 5 knows who Spider-Man, Batman, Wolverine, Superman and the lot are. Black Lagoon and Beserk are more for older people, considering how gruesome some of that stuff gets, so its also an issue of target audience as well.

Moving away a bit from the comic books. I want to talk about what dams brought up. Can an American-made video game be successfully be made into an anime?

 Rachet and Clank
 Rachet and Clank
Halberdierv2: A video game, eh? hmm. Yeah, it can, providing it stays away from the stereotypical archetypes that are known to be failures in the East. If they want to be ballsy and go for Gainax level humor, they could do something crazy for Ratchet and Clank, and maybe Crash Bandicoot.

Count_Zero: Possibly. It really depends on the main character of the game. The archetypal bald space marine probably wouldn't cut it. I could see Uncharted getting an adaptation (though Nathan Drake would probably get re-imagined as Lupin III meets Indiana Jones) for example. Other then that, if the series doesn't have some characters you could really build a series out of, then it has to exist on the strength of its setting, in comparison with other already-existing series (Fallout vs. Desert Punk & Fist of the North Star, etc.).

 Uncharted
 Uncharted
Halberdierv2: A similar thought crossed my mind with Uncharted, but I knew that he'd have to be re-interpreted to be successful.

Count_Zero: I agree with Hal that Ratchet and Clank are characters that could have crossover appeal with an anime in Japan. Also, to tie in with my comments about Berserk and Black Lagoon, we've seen a new renaissance of anime aimed for Seinen audiences, particularly through noitaminA programming (like Eden of the East) as well as other shows like Durarara. So, games that would appeal to those audiences either through their characters or through their setting (say, Assassin's Creed or the upcoming Mass Effect and Dragon Age films) could also do well.

Halberdierv2: True, true. Although, a gag game into my head. we know Street Fighter is a Japanese property and hasn't done well as either an Anime or Cartoon. what about a purposefully bloody game like Mortal Kombat or Splatterhouse?

damswedon: I think Western Video Games are more likely to succeed in Anime than Comics. I think that there are vastly different types of Video Game properties that will get the push over than in Comic Books. Dragon Age and Mass Effect are both made by Bioware but they are vastly different in their genres. Even Halo and Mass Effect are different. Ultimately the only comics that are going to get the push are superheroes.

 Scott Pilgrim
 Scott Pilgrim
Count_Zero: Some indy comics could do well, if the right properties are done - though I'd say that the comics most likely to be successful are the ones that are already eastern influenced (Scott Pilgrim).
How well did the Scott Pilgrim movie do in Japan anyway?

I don't know how Scott Pilgrim did in Japan. The style and the type of themes the movie and book used match anime very well.

damswedon: I think Scott Pilgrim did as well as a cult movie would do anywhere. Why people thought it was going to do any better I will never know. 

Scott Pilgrim was one of those movies that broke all the rules. Usually that means it's a really good movie or a really bad movie. Scott Pilgrim was great i don't understand why this movie was better in the box office.

Halberdierv2: Scott Pilgrim is a good anime concept, but I doubt It would have enough western backing to let it happen, which is a shame, it could be quite awesome, particularly with the video game references all around. 

 Supernatural
 Supernatural
I think video games would work well. So I agree, but what about TV shows like Supernatural. That was recently made into an anime.

Halberdierv2: It was? dang. If we are to go on that route of conversion of Live Action to anime, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Monk being converted to Anime form, or even something like house, which definitely would be sennin.

Count_Zero: Well, Supernatural has already been licensed for a US DVD and Blu-Ray release by Funimation, so we'll see how that turns out once it hits stores. As far as other series could go - I could see a Japanese CSI anime, if only because I don't believe most Japanese live-action TV series have enough of a budget for some of the effects shots we see in the series (like seeing injuries from inside the body). Due to time-slot constraints they'd probably be limited to one case per episode but that's probably fine. Anime series generally tend to not have A and B-Plots in their episodes anyway.

I also wouldn't mind an anime based on Babylon 5, Farscape, or Star Trek as well. I think the adventures of the Enterprise C could work well as an anime - it's already got what I'd describe as the iconic anime conclusion: a Pyrrhic victory, the Enterprise C is destroyed and all hands are killed, either in the ship's destruction or after being captured by the Romulans - but they succeed in ushering a new age of peaceful relations between the Federation and the Klingons. Additionally, aside from knowing how the Enterprise C's story ends, we know nothing else, giving the writers and the director plenty of room to work with.
The Enterprise B would have a similar sort of freedom - the beginning is known (in Star Trek: Generations), but the rest of the ship's adventures an open area for the writers to play in.

Fringe anime... Just putting that out there!
Okay so I'm going to shift this conversation a full 180. 
What about US animated series with the Japanese/Anime influence. Like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Teen Titans.

 Teen Titans
 Teen Titans
Halberdierv2: Ahh. Avatar is one of the best shows Nickelodeon has produced this decade, and although the art style is more for the drawings and less for the gags, it flows well, and still maintains a western feel while looking Japanese. Teen Titans a hybrid show and was made by DC. therefore its automatically awesome.

I think Teen Titans pull of the full deformity of the characters just like an anime would. Yet the pacing of the show was very US of them. Avatar on the other hand felt like an anime. 

 Samurai Jack
 Samurai Jack
damswedon: Samurai Jack was great. Samurai Jack was also around the last time I watched or cared about cartoons.

Samurai Jack was also another show that simply felt like anime. 

Count_Zero: Agreed! - and I think they had more then a few overt references to anime and manga.

Halberdierv2: Aw man, I feel bad i forgot about that. that show was awesome. Although its a bit of a subersion, although the premise of the show is in the modern world, the whole basis is off a Japanese legend (of sorts. yea, its not really a legend, but you get the idea.)

This has been a great discussion. I think it's time to let the readers give an opinion on this. Before we finish, I have one last question for you guys, if you could make ONE American-made entertainment media (comics, movies, TV-Shows, etc...) into an anime, what would it be?

 Spider-Man
 Spider-Man
Halberdierv2: If I could make an American made show into an Anime, it's gonna be Spider-Man for me. Peter Parker has the personality that should be able to work in an anime if he got relocated to Tokyo, and quite easily, I could see some crazy mix ups with Yakuza people and crazy scienitsts wanting to unleash Godzilla on the populus. that would be awesome for me. 
I wouldn't mind seeing a detective series like Monk or CIS being given the Anime treatment. I suppose it has to do with my recent preferences (I forgot to mention this, but due to the earthquake and the month gap between episode releases, it slipped my mind, I was following Gosick from when it was introduced, and I'm into mystery/detective stories, so seeing one of these get a workover seems a good Idea in my opinion.)
Maybe you can slip in this to my "what youve been following in anime question" - "also, Ive been smitten by the new Mystery series Gosick, with Little Miss Sherlock Holmes and her Japanese Watson solve crimes plaguing Roaring Twenties Saubure."

Count_Zero: If I were to go with one American show, comic, video game or whatever into an anime, after much deliberation, I'd go with Frank Herbert's Dune. All the stunning visuals of the planet could probably be pulled off better in animation instead of CGI and Live-Action, and all the Machiavellian manipulation of the novels would fit better within a TV series (possibly a multi-season TV series) instead of a single film or live-action mini-series.

damswedon: There isn't anything I can think of because I can't think of any good reason to why they should be moved over to Anime. It is easy to say I want Star Wars or Blade Runner but what is there to be gained over the original product?

You make a good point dams. I guess making them into an anime would just reach be to reach another audience. I want to know what readers think. So with that we will end this discussion. Time to say good bye!
   

Count_Zero: Adieu, adieu, to you, and you, and... okay, fine, you too. :-D

Halberdierv2: Thanks for having me here, Sora. Thanks to damswedon and Count_Zero for your jogging of my memory of old shows I forgot about (Samurai Jack FTW!!), and hope we can come back in another discussion. This is HalberdierV2 saying: Go Watch Gosick! you won't be disappointed. Peace Out!

Thanks for being with me on this interesting discussion. 
I am Geo aka sora_thekey signing off.

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey 
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On March 25 -27 I attended my first Anime convention ever. San Diego held it's second anime convention, Anime Conji, and I had the privilege to be there. Sadly my camera broke on my first day at the Con so the picture gallery below is lacking. Even so, the convention was a complete success. I met a lot of new people, stalked a few others and overall had a blast.

Reno from FFXVII using a "dinglehopper"?! Talk about weird crossovers!
Reno from FFXVII using a "dinglehopper"?! Talk about weird crossovers!



-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey 
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Hello anime-fanatics, welcome to the Anime Vice's third Roundtable User Discussion. If you are unaware of how this works then shame on you! Still I'm going to explain how this works. A couple of AV users, like yourselves, virtually met up to talk anime, manga and other related topics. That conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After you read our conversation be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Also, be sure to go back and read the comic book-related discussions we had in the past. 

My name is Geo, but you all know me as sora_thekey. I will be moderating this conversation, here "sitting" with me are three users you might know and love: sotyfan16, damswedon and newcomer Bigheart711. Could you introduce yourselves for those users who don't know you or love you?


sotyfan16: I'm not loved?! Am I being Punk'd Sora? Well, my name is Will McQuigg. I spend most of my time on AV writing Beginner's/Advanced Guides and doing a video blog review segment called Dunce Cap! I only started buying manga this year and I already own 43 volumes! As always, it's good to be here with such dedicated users.

damswedon: Hi I'm Kurt from Nottingham UK and according to the website TweetPsych I refer to sex 454% more than the average person on Twitter. No really here is a picture.

Bigheart711: Hello! I'm Bigheart711, also known as @MasterMenos of Twitter. I love Senien, Shoujo, Magical Girl and *most* Action anime. I'm also a huge sucker for Ecchi anime. *blushes a tad*

Welcome you guys? I would ask "how are you?" but in reality what I want to know is: What manga have you guys been reading and anime have you been watching lately?
   
 Shiki
 Shiki
Bigheart711: I'm currently watching Shiki and will resume watching Nana after I finish off the special for Hana-Kimi (the J-Drama). For manga, I just started reading "Black Butler" and "Hot Gimmick".

 School Rumble
 School Rumble
sotyfan16: For manga I'm half way through Viz Media's Dorohedoro. For anime I started Baccano!Corpse Princess, and School Rumble on Netflix Instant Watch.

School Rumble and Baccano! are series I totally want to get into. Shenki might be too "heavy-toned" for me though. 

 Pryde of the X-Men
 Pryde of the X-Men
damswedon: I've had to watch way too much of a true classic Pryde of the X-Men. Technically it is anime because it is a Toei Animation show, who we all know for shows like Dragon BallDragon Ball ZDragon Ball GTDragon Ball Kai and G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero. The one episode is mostly terrible but features the brilliant Rapist-Nightcrawler and Australian-Wolverine.

 Bamboo Blade
 Bamboo Blade
I actually watched the first episode of Pryde and the X-Men. I was mad they made Kitty such a whiny brat. So I stopped. On my side, I just watched the Lucky Star OVA and finished reading the first volume of Bamboo Blade.

damswedon: Well that is the reason why it didn't get picked up. How is Bamboo Blade?

sotyfan16: I couldn't get into the Bamboo Blade anime. What draws you in to that franchise Sora?

Bigheart711: I couldn't get into the Bamboo Blade anime either, but the manga still interests me just like Strawberry Marshmallow did back when I was younger.

I quite enjoyed Bamboo Blade. I haven't watched the anime, but the first volume included all of those aspects that I like in my franchises. I enjoy mysterious characters like Tama-Chan who in reality are just shy. (Like Yuki from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya or Minami from Lucky Star). I also knew little to nothing about kendo until I began reading this. It's actually quite interesting! 
Of course another thing I like about my anime/manga is quirky adult characters like Nanako from Lucky Star or Kojiro from this book. I also liked the fact that I could read this in public and no one would think I was a perv (y'know, over the top fanservice).



sotyfan16: lol I'd read Sundome in public and it's barely a notch below hentai.

Bigheart711: I normally wouldn't read or watch any Ecchi series in public either, because I'd be embarrassed if I got caught. The farthest I went was when I saw the first episode of Sekirei in my school library.

sotyfan16: I love Sekirei! Own the first season. But guess I'm unabashed with my perverted anime ways. :P

Bigheart711: Great minds think alike, Will. n_n

Anyways... I have a question for you guys. Do you like new series? 
What I mean by that is, do you like to try out new anime you have never watched before? Or are you comfortable with what you watch now, and no more?


sotyfan16: I always crave more. I can't get enough romantic/comedy and harem series. I look for a surprise hit and under-the-radar series as well. I'm very guilty of rewatching series when I could be watching new ones though (seen Code Geass 3x through).
Bigheart711: It depends on my schedule. If a new anime series catches my eye like " C" did, then I would most likely check it out after I'm done with my work from my college. In fact, I like to try a first episode of a series (if I haven't seen it yet) to see if it still interests me, but if it dosent grab me by episode 2, I'd drop it like a hot potato. There are times when I'm in no mood to watch a new anime. If it happens, I'd either check out an older series or re-watch a show that I really loved.

damswedon: If there is one thing I'm terrible at it is keeping with a show. I just can't do it for some reason. It is one reason why I don't buy ongoing comics on a monthly basis. Maybe it is a grown up most of my life with the internet thing.

 Shugo Chara Party
 Shugo Chara Party
Bigheart711: I have a question for you guys as well. Have you ever turned down an anime based on its art alone? To support this, I'm not very fond of the X-Men anime after already seeing its trailer. In the past, I also turned down Shugo Chara Party because it was too cutesy for me. I saw the first two seasons of Shugo Chara, but I felt ashamed of myself after two episodes of the stuff.

Panty and Stocking
Panty and Stocking
sotyfan16: I've done that a number of times. The comics-based anime I won't watch and the same goes for super-moe. I didn't watch Panty & Stockingbecause it looked too American. However, sickVisionz has convinced me to check out an ep.

Mitsudomoe
Mitsudomoe
damswedon: Yeah I've turned down shows based on art. 
The big one that I can think of is Mitsudomoe where I know the children are supposed to be cutesy but the characters just look like someone hit the love child of an Ostrich and Ms. Crabtree from South Park with a shovel.
I don't think I have, but  let me segue to the actual discussion here. Spring 2011 Anime!! That's why I asked, if you guys liked new series. This spring there are new series ready to be watched. Have you guys seen the Season Preview yet.


damswedon: No sora where would I find that?

Okay dams. let me give you the link (also a good way to have readers read it): http://www.animevice.com/news/spring-2011-anime-preview/5174/

Bigheart711: I read it, but I only saw the "C" trailer, so I got way more trailers to check out at this point.

I mentioned in the article, that I was very interested for "C". 

sotyfan16:
 I finally got to read through the Spring Season Preview and of the 45 shows...I'll be checking out 21 of them. Never fails that I always watch about half of what comes out each season.

Bigheart711: I'm very sorry guys. I have to go because my folks are getting really impatient with me being online for over three hours (especially my dad because he studies for his job on the computer I'm using right now). I hope to do this again soon. This is Bigheart signing off with one of my favorite Magical Girl transformations. Bye! <3

That's alright! Take care Bigheart! 
So, has everyone taken a look at the season preview?

sotyfan16: Gimme your best shot!

We'll divide this into three categories. The Bad, The Medium and The Good. 

The Bad


After taking a look, what would be the one anime on that list which you would consider bad?

 Metal Fight Beyblade 4D
 Metal Fight Beyblade 4D
damswedon: Easily Metal Fight Beyblade 4D which not only sounds like the name of a Safety razor made by Gillette but also as a title makes no god damned sense.
Metal Fight Beyblade 4D 
From that it must mean the show is about Beyblades made of Metal that Fight through Time.

 Nichijou
 Nichijou
sotyfan16: Dams chose one that I would also count as bleh. Agreed! Can I have a massive tie? No? Well if I had to choose then I would pick Nichijou. If I could list then about 10 titles would go along with the aforementioned one.

I agree with Metal Fight Beyblade 4D, but Nichijou sounds like a lot of fun! I'm surprised you picked that one!

damswedon: The title makes even less sense when you find out that this is the 3rd series. WHY IS IT 4D?

4D Glasses?

sotyfan16: I don't like (Nichijou's) animation, story sounds more ridiculous than FLCL (that's a bad thing and I really like FLCL), AND...I don't know. Rather I have chose Tiger & Bunny or YGO Super Extreme Hair Style Monster Fight 14.3.1

 Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal
 Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal
I have to say that the least interesting anime series for this season will have to be  Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal. I actually played the card game back when I was in middle school. I even watched the first series, but this seems like a marketing scheme to squeeze out as much of this franchise as they can. I think it's an even more marketing scheme than Tiger & Bunny, and that anime bluntly says "I'm a marketing scheme".

sotyfan16: lol Yeah and apparently Viz Media is picking it up? Since when has the company been worried about anything except Bleach and Naruto? Oh well, their loss. Maybe the business will learn something about sustainability.

damswedon: I wouldn't mind moving away from the corpse of the Yugioh series please.

The Middle

Lets talk "Middle" then. The anime that are so-so, or those anime that you don't seem to have a lot of hype for but will still, probably watch.

 A Channel
 A Channel
sotyfan16: I'm afraid Sengoku Otome - Momoiro Paradox is going to actually be like the franchise Koihime Musou. Other than that I'd say A Channel andPretty Rhythm Aurora Dream.

 Tiger & Bunny
 Tiger & Bunny
damswedon: Yeah A Channel does just seem like another show based on a 4koma. Also something about Tiger & Bunny seems like the most anime-assed anime on the earth.

A Channel sounds a lot like Lucky Star. 

sotyfan16: But the animation looks good. However, the story could be what makes be drop the show after an ep or two.

 X-Men
 X-Men
I think X-Men should be mentioned in this category. It is one of those hit/miss anime...


sotyfan16: I was never much into the US cartoon versions of comics (or the comics themselves). I also then don't care for the anime renditions.

The story is based off one of the most popular X-men graphic novels., so who knows.


damswedon: X-Men will likely continue the Marvel Anime theme of "these are shows that have had their plots set out by comic book writers and therefore are 2 dimensional at best because most comic book writers fail to write human beings."

I don't think that's fair. Speaking as a comic book reader I do admit that there are writers who don't know how to write a compelling story, but there the majority do an amazing job with comics.

damswedon: Here is my major problem with most comic book writers, they write superheroes not human beings. Humans are complex creatures and for most comic book writers they have trouble convincing us of that fact. Just look at Rorschach. He has beliefs and during the course of Watchmen those beliefs are shown to us to the point that when he gets blown up at the end of the story we believe that is the only thing he would do. Most comic book characters because of the used book writing style lack that human feeling because it is near impossible for two writers to write one character the same, this means characters have to be reduce easily to virtues or vices. For some characters like Judge Dredd that is great but most suffer the “It’s Superman but a dog” aspect.

I do agree that sometimes the problem is that there is inconsistency in characters' traits because of the change in writers (Which is why I like manga and anime so much). Yet some do a better job than others.  
The graphic novel from which the X-Men anime is taken from represents the X-Characters in an excellent interpretation. So in a way I do agree with you, just not completely.


sotyfan16: *Note to readers of this Roundtable: I don't read comics.*

 30-sai no Hoken Taiiku
 30-sai no Hoken Taiiku
Another notable mention in this category is 30-sai no Hoken Taiiku I don't think I'll watch it, but please! This seems like the animated translation of Sex for Dummies books.


 Hen Zemi
 Hen Zemi
sotyfan16: I have to agree with you Sora but it looks nicely comedic. If you want to worry about over-the-top sex stuff then feel free to enjoy Hen Zemi like I'm sure I will!

That or Lotte no Omocha but as much as I would love to talk about a reverse harem that involves no male characters, I do want to go ahead and skip to what we are really excited: The Good!

The Good

sotyfan16: Hell yeah! I think that one will be my guilty pleasure series of the season.

[C]
[C]
Let me just get it out of the way. I really, really want to watch C! What about the rest of you?

sotyfan16: does look pretty cool as well. I'm always up for a smart anime about business and money (hence why I like Spice and Wolf). The series I look most forward to is Deadman Wonderland. Hear the manga is pretty awesome ( Tokyopop licensed it for the US and Vol. 1-4 are available). Along with that I'm going with Hidan no AriaDenpa Onna to Seishu, Sket Danceand Ao no Exorcist. I'm a super sucker for harems though..

Sket Dance also seems to be one of those series I really want to watch just because it sounds like a centered real-life SOS Brigade.

sotyfan16:  It makes me think it's a more outrageous  Okamisan .

Oh I agree I am really excited for that anime!

 Hana-Saku Iroha
 Hana-Saku Iroha
damswedon: Hana-Saku Iroha visually looks balls to the wall f--ing awesome and all that show needs is a soundtrack that isn’t obnoxious and I’m sold. I usually choose my shows of the series by watching the first episode then just cutting shows from then, so for me to even be thinking of a show before is kinda rare.

Which kind of goes back to our first Roundtable discussion.

sotyfan16: Yeah dams, the animation looks so amazing I want to hug it and have a beer just for it being there. However, with just about an all-female cast and a shojo-looking storyline, I'm going to pass on the series entirely.

 Toriko
 Toriko
Another anime that I would love to give a try is Toriko. While it doesn't seem like it will be in my high ranking list, I do think that maybe it will become the next Naruto or One Piece.

sotyfan16: Meh, never know, I might check out a couple that I passed on now and end up liking them. But my right-off-the-bat choices have hardly led me wrong thus far. A friend said the Toriko manga isn't bad. Still, another pass for me. The only long-running shonen I have my eye on is Fairy Tail *looks at volume 1 of the manga by bed*

With that note lets end this discussion with one last question: If you could only choose one anime to watch this Spring season from beginning to end, which one would it be?  


sotyfan16: Sekai-ichi Hatsuko!!! Wait, I kid. Yaoi or anything looking like that type of show is not going to be found in my history nor my collection. I have to again say Deadman Wonderland. Sounds so cool from what my friend says about the manga.

damswedon: Hana-Saku Iroha.

 Sket Dance
 Sket Dance
Alright! While I am very excited for C. I think I would pick Sket Dance. It just seems like it would be an enjoyable watch for any time and mood. With that let's say good bye! 

damswedon: THIS IS IT, F@#$ IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 

sotyfan16: It's been a pleasure as always and the Spring season looks to be quite exciting. Everyone be sure to thank sora_thekey for doing theseRoundtables. If any of you prominent and savvy Anime Vice users have freetime on the weekends and would like to be a guest on Dunce Capplease write on my wall or PM me! Peace!

Thank you for that sotyfan16. Check out the 2011 Spring Season Preview on the front page and share either there or here what you think of the anime that are coming out. 
I am Geo aka sora_thekey signing off. Bye!
 

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
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