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Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Sora vs Dante

@Stingerrain: I was under the impression KH2 sora was his strongest appearance, and does he even have time magic in 3d?

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Sora vs Dante

Waiting for others to say something as i know jack shit about Dante from the reboot.

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Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@YoungChief: Totally forgot he took the hieroglyph cookbook.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@othus12: Everyone has komatsu on their minds nowadays, it's getting ridiculous lol.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » What are Logia limits?

From whats been shown their intangibility is completely immune to physical damage outside of haki and the elemental disadvantages(such as ace being susceptible to water and magma), and aokiji being susceptible to heat)

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@taichokage said:

Ok. But even then, assuming it had the density of a neutron star or white dwarf which isn't possible for a planet but for the sake of argument assuming it did, even then they are many times larger and more massive than King Kai's planet. It would only be a tiny fraction of the white dwarf or neutron star. On a white dwarf the size of the earth of a star the mass of our own, the gravity is 330,000x that of earth, not a mere 10x. I'll also have you know that the whole calculation of King Kai's planet's mass has a flaw. Gravity is greater the closer to the core that you get, which is why a white dwarf from our sun the size of earth would have approx 330,000 times the gravity at the surface. At the core it is several thousand times greater. This means that if King Kai's planet of the same mass were as large as our earth, it would actually weigh less than the earth.

King kais planet actually started off much larger, the planet you see in the show is supposedly only 1/1000 of it's original size IIRC bills destroyed the original planet king kai took a piece of the remains and crafted the planet we see on the show. King kais planet is also vastly smaller in scale to earth which is why it's density is calculated as high as it is. The calculation I'd assume took all of that into account, and still managed those numbers. And even with king kais planet having normal earths gravity it's density would still be immense in scale to the earth.

And no technically that isn't true. I copy pasted this since i couldn't figure out how to explain it.

"Every mass has a gravitational filed that is stronger close up and weaker as you get farther away. This is similar to how light is stronger close to the light bulb and weaker as you get farther away. It is because the light is spread out over a larger area when you are far away, so it is spread thinner and is weaker. Gravity gets spread thinner the same way. It is really just geometry.

One atom has gravity that is small, but if there are a bunch of them all close enough it adds up. You have to use calculus to add up all the gravitational forces of all the atoms at all the various distance they are from you to get the total force from them all at your location For a spherically symmetric object it acts as if all the mass is at the center of the sphere, as long as you are outside the sphere. If you are inside the sphere it acts the same way except you ignore any part of the mass above you, or farther from the center than you are. This results in gravity getting smaller toward the center in a linear fashion."

Basically the closer you get to the earths core the less you'd weigh until when you reached the core you'd be virtually weightless.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Ulquiorra vs Mihawk

@phantomrant said:

@solesamurai said:

So wait in your head splitting ice > casually dwarfing Los noches with a LDR? I doubt Ulquiorra's durability is inferior to ice.

Ulquiorra has an obvious firepower advantage, speed advantage, he'd one shot mihawk, not to mention his regen. how does Mihawk win because he can slice ice?

What in heaven's name are you talking about? You made a completely irrelevant point to what I'm talking about; pulling out a strawman.

When have I even suggested that this was a firepower vs firepower argument? According to my argument, Mihawk's DC >> Ulquiorra's durability. It's a firepower vs. durability argument.

Ulquiorra's durability IS inferior to a cutting attack that carved out a huge area of ice; likely at least a kilometers' worth. You doubting Ulquiorra's durability is inferior to ice is a meaningless if you don't consider the attack that destroyed it, how much ice was destroyed, and what kind of an attack it is.

Ulquiorra has to generate and throw his Lanzas, whereas Mihawk can end this battle with a swing of his sword. Which do you think is going to take less time to accomplish?

Speed advantage? Do tell me how Ulquiorra is noticeably faster than Mihawk.

As can Mihawk one-shot Ulquiorra. Regeneration be damned if his body is cut in half.

Do us all a favor. Look at the scan that othus pulled out. See that iceberg? That air slash packed enough power to cut it in half. This isn't about the hardness of the ice, which we all know is far harder than normal ice. This is about the power of the attack that is needed to accomplish the iceberg feat. And that power is well above what Ulquiorra's Hierro can handle. And speaking of Hierro, Released Ulquiorra has like wut, only 1 durability feat? Tanking V1 Bankai Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho? That's nothing.

@solesamurai said:

@othus12: Rock is far harder to destroy than ice man...

if only H2 Ichigo actually destroyed the rock. More like he leveled it.

1. mihawk didn't destroy the ice either, he slices through it or "leveled" it so to speak.

2. Shut up.

3. HOW IN THE FUCK DID HE DESTROY THE ICE? HE SLICED THROUGH IT.

4. He didn't carve out a huge area of ice stop making shit up. Even when you consider all that the feat isn't that great it gets overhyped because of the sheer size of the block of ice, he didn't destroy it he chopped through it. Kenpachi was slicing buildings up like butter back in the SS arc, I don't think i need to explain to you why Skyscraper >>> Huge block of ice

5. Meaning nothing considering Ulquiorra by far has a massive speed advantage here.

6. You serious? Show me one speed feat of Mihawk on the level of blitzing a bankai + hollow mask ichigo(who is notoriously known for being incredibly fast, even more so than quite a few OP characters) as if he were standing still I'll wait.

7. Ulquiorra can 1 shot Mihawk, he can kill mihawk before he gets the thought in his head to take his sword out. mihawk isn't faster than ichigo, and ichigo for damn sure wasn't faster than Ulquiorra.

8. Do me a favor and stop over hyping a feat that isn't that impressive. it was ice.

9. This is now the second time I have heard, that Aokiji's ice is somehow considered harder than normal ice. How is it harder? people in the real world have entire colonies, and civilizations dedicated to studying the tundra and wild life in antartica, Aokiji's ice nothing out of the ordinary. What is blackbeards darkness darker than real darkness too? or maybe Kizaru's light is brighter than real light? perhaps Ace's fire is more fiery than real fire as well right? You people kill me with this bullshit.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@taichokage said:

You've put up some interesting arguments but did you just say the sun is easier to destroy than the Earth? Well never mind I can read it myself I guess. But really? The sun has over 320k times the mass, over 1.3 million times the volume over a hundred times the diameter and nearly 28x the gravity of earth and it's easier to destroy the earth because it's moderately more dense for it's relative insignificant proportions?

He wouldn't necessarily need more force just a generally larger area of effect for his attack. Meaning if he can hit it with enough force to overshadow it's density and at the same time effect enough of it to blow it up. I see your point the volume would somewhat effect his ability to destroy it, but mass wouldn't since how much material is there is only relevant if it effects it's density, in this case it doesn't. he'd only need a generally larger area of effect for his punch, not necessarily more force. I'll concede since for that to even happen he'd need more force to be applied thus amplifying it's aoe, and thus it being harder to destroy than a planet, Note however King kai's planets planetary density was comparable to a white dwarf star which is only about the size of earth with density about a million times more than the sun with the math done. He punches with power comparable to that. It isn't surprising he could possibly destroy a sun with that much power.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Ulquiorra vs Mihawk

@othus12: Rock is far harder to destroy than ice man...

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Ulquiorra vs Mihawk

@phantomrant said:

@solesamurai said:

@phantomrant: Please explain how mihawk has a chance in this fight with no feats?

Maybe you should actually take a look at Mihawk's one good feat that actually means something here.

There's the fact that Mihawk can split a massive iceberg in half with a casual air slash from dozens of meters away. Said attack is more than enough to cut Ulquiorra's Hierro and tear his body apart without a chance of regen. The only thing saving him from that is flying away from a slash that he cannot see coming.

Now you tell me how your come to the senile conclusion that Mihawk has no goddamn chance when Batboy is going to have a serious internal bleeding if he doesn't flap those wings of his right off the bat.

So wait in your head splitting ice > casually dwarfing Los noches with a LDR? I doubt Ulquiorra's durability is inferior to ice.

Ulquiorra has an obvious firepower advantage, speed advantage, he'd one shot mihawk, not to mention his regen. how does Mihawk win because he can slice ice?

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@taichokage said:

Force is force. How does it being a beam or a punch matter? I'll show how that is incorrect as well. Granite is denser than a brick. But you could break a brick sized piece of granite to pieces far more easily than a brick that is 320,000+ times the mass and over a million times the size.

Punches are concentrated force over 1 area, where as beams don't work by the same rules. It's generally why physical strength feats are much more impressive than beam wise destruction feats. Because beams don't necessarily work with real work physics, nor do they even apply the same types of force.

It matters because of the force applied over the volume of the mass. force spreads outward it doesn't just stay in 1 place. And technically speaking even if the granite is more dense a brick 320kx times larger would be more dense because of it's mass. Density is still mass over volume here it doesn't change. a brick of granite breaks easier because it is still far less dense then the brick that is 320k times bigger due to bricks mass and volume, in this case earth is more dense due to it's mass applied over it's volume, the sun is inferior despite being bigger thus being easier to destroy. It's mass and size are irrelevant since it has less density. You couldn't destroy a mountain any easier than you could destroy a small piece of the mountain due to it's mass applied over it's volume. They are the same density thus would take the same amount of force to destroy since their mass over volume is the same. Your example was bad since while granite is more dense than brick, the 320kxbrick would be more dense due to it's change in mass and volume. Your example also only has value due to granite having more density than brick, the material itself is harder, it wouldn't be more dense, or massive than a brick the size of a damn castle.

In this case King kais planet having both more density than earth would indicate goku's ability to destroy it with a punch. King kais planet having more density than the sun would also indicate his ability to destroy it with a punch since the more dense something is harder it will be to destroy. The suns immense mass and volume only makes it so the force applied must be applied over much more area, meaning he'd need only need more aoe in order to destroy it, not more force.

That's like saying a 10 ton pile of feathers is harder to destroy than a brick of diamond or a 5 pound slab of steel is harder to destroy than a pyramid , just because it's mass and size are greater doesn't mean it's density will be greater and thus harder to destroy and vice versa. just because it's material density is greater doesn't mean if you get an excessive amount of less dense material that it will remain that way.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@taichokage: If they can do it with sheer physical force yes. The more dense something is the more force must be applied in order to destroy it. Just because something is bigger does not make it harder to destroy, irrefutable fact.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Ulquiorra vs Mihawk

@phantomrant: Please explain how mihawk has a chance in this fight with no feats?

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@othus12: DBZ characters have always been implied to be that powerful. This being the first feat wouldn't make it an outlier.

@taichokage:not true, density is basically durability if he can destroy anything with superior density to a star he can destroy that star. size is irrelevant in that right. just because something is bigger doesn't make it harder to destroy. fact is he has force capable of overshadowing the density(durability) of a star, in that right he can destroy it. This is a punch we're talking about, not a ki blast.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Ulquiorra vs Mihawk

@EraserCannon: Yay baseless hype! Off hype sure Mihawk wins. off feats Ulquiorra would stomp.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@othus12: It's regarded as complete canon, and dbz was always implied to be this powerful they just never displayed it in the series.

@taichokage said:

That's basically what I was saying solesamurai but I get what you're saying. However it is not possible for a planet to come close to the smallest stars in mass, only can they be more dense. The most massive a planet can be approximately before hitting the level of a Brown Dwarf is 15 Jupiter masses. The current scientific established minimum for a star is approximately 75 Jupiter masses. The smallest star discovered is about 80 Jupiter masses and these are red dwarf stars. Even High balling King Kai's planet to the ultimate maximum of planetary mass of which there is no indication, it would be at most 1/5 the mass of the smallest stars in existence and hundreds of thousands of times less than larger stars.

I wasn't comparing the mass I was comparing the density. forget mass, forget volume. Density is whats important here. if he can destroy something with superior density to a star then he should be capable of destroying that star. fact.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » The Blade Wielders Championship

Yugioh characters can use swords now? o.o

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@supernova7005 said:

@solesamurai said:

because mathematically Density = volume/mass.

Wrong. Density = mass/volume

You understood what i was saying though right? if so gtfo.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Jirou Vs Namek Saga Goku

@taichokage said:

But in your own words, you indicated that size didn't matter. You said if planet A (Uranus) is larger than planet B (Earth) but has less gravitational force than planet B (Earth), planet B (Earth) must be more massive and thus more dense. More dense it is. More massive it is not.

Because mathematically Density = mass/volume. The larger and more massive something is the more gravitational force and density is must have. It's logical. But if the planet A is more massive and larger, it should have a gravitational force exceeding that of planet B. This is not the case in Uranus and earths comparison, that's because uranus mass and volume don't multiply evenly. I didn't mean to indicate size didn't matter(it plays a very important part of the problem, if something is larger but less massive than something else logically it would be less dense)Sorry if you took it that way. But logically something with more mass would have more gravitational pull and be more dense. However in uranus case since it's density/mass/gravity/volume is damn near linear to the earths, it's not an exception to the rule it just fulfilled both the mass and size parts while having less density due to it's size not being linearly scaled compared to it's mass. In other words earth mass x 14 =/= earth size x 14.5 all of this however gives you uranus.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Battles » Counter My Character ( RE Make)

@The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk: Cells backhand

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