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Battles » SPC vs dabura

@JThree47605 said:
"Cell should win here, Dabura wasn't impressive, he fought a weak SSJ2 Gohan and they were equal. I think SPC Cell could beat the weak Gohan also(until Gohan got mad enough to stop playing around.) "

I agree, in fact I think cell would beat up gohan, I mean this gohan was weaker than teen gohan, who in my opinion was weaker than SPC
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Battles » andriod 17 and 18 gauntlet

@Mortein said:
"@soldier said:

" @Mortein said:

"Stops at 3,maybe even 2 "

I think that cell at that point was too weak, piccollo did not even take him too seriously whereas he took android 17 very seriously and was an even match. Piccollo could not take them both on. But of course android 16 would own them. "
 It is possible for team number 2 to beat them. 18 is not as stron as 17 and Piccolo could be able to beat 17 while Cell is fighting with 18. I still think androids would win this 7/10. "

The strength difference between android 17 and 18 is very small. Android 18 would mop the floor with cell in my opinion.
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Battles » Nappa vs Ironman

@Danilo018 said:
"

@Mortein:
First of all IT has limitations. It's best seen when Goku comes back to Earth in Trunks saga. He uses a space ship and at that point he has learned the IT. So why did he came back with space ship then ? It's because the IT has a limitation and that's a long distance. Which was also stated in that video. Also he only used IT in fights in both anime and manga. In movies he uses IT for planetary trips 
Also about cannonity of that video I think it was also mentioned in the manga (i'm not sure if someone has a scans please post). And from Saiyan saga to Buu saga it was stated only 2 times that the planet will be destroyed ( Vegeta with Galick Gun, and Cell with Kamehame), it was stated by King Cold that he and Frieza can both destroy Earth and the planet destruction was shown 4 times: 
1. Vegeta destroying Arlia (anime filler) 
2. Frieza destroying Namek 
3. Frieza destroying Vegeta (as special) 
4. Kid Buu's planet busting rampage  
So even if you add movies you can't come up with 30+ planet bustings and statements combined.

And also with an increase of KI person doesn't came up with exponential power increase. It was explained in Daizenshuu. Cause we all now that when transforming into Super saiyan Goku had ki 50 times greater, and it was stated in Daizeshuu that Super Saiyan makes you 50 times more powerfull, so it increases the power lineral. And I personaly think that both Moon busting events are illogilities (which DBZ has very mutch), since more powerfull characters later didn't have such ability, and basicly it was ignored after Sayain saga. Cause it was shown that Frieza had more powerfull fighter than both Nappa and vegeta were in Saiyan saga. 
 
P.S. Don't get me wrong about the DBZ. I'm not some DBZ hater. Personally DBZ is my favorite cartoon show ever. And I already expressed my opinion about Nappa vs Tony.

"


Instant transmission only has one limitation, goku has to know where he is going. That is the only limitation. Goku used the spaceship in order to set him on course to earth, in fact looking at things like that is very silly as most people use spaceships even if they could travel solarsystems in seconds. Goku used IT to get to new Namek which is not even in the same solar system as earth. Kid Buu used the same technique to travel dimensions and get to other galaxies, (he did not have the limitation that goku had). The step up from anime to movies is that goku went from travelling to different solar systems (to get dende), to travelling to different galaxies (to find Broly). IT has no speed limitation, it is instant (at least that is what it seems to those without IT).  
 
As for planet and moon destruction, you have to remember that Kami is a "god" in DBZ universe, therefore those with power on his level should have "god-like" feats, such as master roshi destroying the moon, or piccollo destroying the moon. Destroying the moon was the pinnacle of power feats in dragonball, however, dbz was far more powerful. Before moon busting, there was island busting and mountain busting, I don't think that it is illogical that as they become alot more powerful they can destroy the moon. King Vegeta with a powerlevel of 10000 destroyed 3 planets with 1 attack, hence why Vegeta and Nappa should be able to blow up Arlia (anime filler is not necerssarily inaccurate). Mortein has explained how frequently the power to destroy a planet has been stated. In fact in DBZ characters have the power to destroy planets, solar systems, galaxies and even the univerese. It is hard to imagine that powerlevels are linear when this is the case.

 

Now I will examine the possibility that powers and powerlevels are linear, or that it is not: 
 
Linear: ssj transformation enhanced all attributes 50 fold. 
             In addition Kaioken did the same thing; e.g. kaioken * 10, multiplied all attributes 10 fold 
            In fact all transformations such as great ape, enhanced powers in a linear manner 
 
however, when the z-fighters trained to increase their base form, there powers appear to grow in an exponential manner, you may ask for proof, and so I will name but a few instances. 
Piccollo went from mountain busting to moonbusting: A mountain has a mass of 3.041409x10^15kg , whereas the moon has a mass of 7.347 7 × 10^22 kg    , that is 7 orders greater. 
 
goku went from running 100m in 8 seconds (27.961703651 mph)    to being faster than lightning (270000 mph) in dragoball. 
Goku did not become 10000 times more powerful in powerlevel term ( increase of 4 orders), hence you can see how some people reach both conclusions. 

I will not accuse you of being a DBZ hater, as I can tell that you are not, you have a good knowledge of DBZ and are right to have an opinion, however, I am just trying to enlighten you on why your opinion may not be valid as such, due to the fact that there are some inaccurate statements in your argument.. 
 
Final point: to provide more evidence to my theory that increasing base powerlevel is more valuable than transformations is comparing ssj2 adult gohan to mystic gohan. Gohan went from slugging it out with dabura to mopping the floor with super buu, whereas gohan's transformation into ssj2 did not have as much of a power increase (Even Pikkon mopped the floor with cell). 
 
Hopefully this won't go on forever and ever (lol) but awaiting your reply.     

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Battles » andriod 17 and 18 gauntlet

@Mortein said:
"Stops at 3,maybe even 2 "

I think that cell at that point was too weak, piccollo did not even take him too seriously whereas he took android 17 very seriously and was an even match. Piccollo could not take them both on. But of course android 16 would own them.
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Battles » frieza and cooler vs dr gero and android 20

@JThree47605 said:
" @soldier said:
" I would have to say freiza and cooler, just due to the ease at which ssj vegeta could own android 20, yet ssj goku was only a bit stronger than freiza. "
SSJ Goku was way stronger than Frieza"


If you remember the battle goku and freiza were virtually equal until freiza's powerlevel started to decrease.

At first goku was owning freiza, then freiza went 100% and started to own goku, then it was even, and then freiza's powerlevel kept falling and goku mopped the floor with freiza. Goku was stronger but the difference when both went all out was very little in my opinion.

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Battles » Broly Gaunlet

@ktarinze said:
"hillarious how people actually think he will get passed majin vegeta when he is stronger then ss2 teen gohan and broly is not stronger then ss2 gohan that is hillarious he wont get passed number 2 and number 1 would put up a fight "

Would you actually care to explain why, because I see no logic behind this.
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Battles » frieza and cooler vs dr gero and android 20

@Sonata said:
"(Assuming this is Metal Cooler and Mecha Frieza) Cooler would probably solo this, Dr. Gero and Android 20 never really prepared themselves for the Super saiyan transformation, and got beat. As Cooler was seen handling both Goku and Vegeta with ease.  If its the the original versions of both Frieza and Cooler, then I say the android barely win. Since Dr.Gero already has data on Frieza he knows he would have to make himself and 20 stronger than Frieza in order to stand up to Goku. Plus the ability they have to absorb energy will be factor here. "

Remember, only cell got the data on freiza, dr gero and android 20 were pretty much useless at dealing with enemies at or above freiza's powerlevel.
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Battles » Nappa vs Ironman

@Mortein said:

"Nappa should be able to destroy the Moon with less then 5% of his power, and you would need billions of nuclear bombs to vaporize Moon. "


listen, if you think that judge is going to change his/her view think again.
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Battles » frieza and cooler vs dr gero and android 20

I would have to say freiza and cooler, just due to the ease at which ssj vegeta could own android 20, yet ssj goku was only a bit stronger than freiza.
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Battles » Maxima Vs No.18

This battle goes to android 18
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Battles » Nappa vs Ironman

@Sonata said:

" @soldier:  Krillin has the power in energy blasts to destroy a mountain, but not in physical prowlless. There is no doubt that Krillin could have blasted it open. Ramming into the door is a whole different matter. "


Well that depends I mean if kid goku is doing this:    Krillin should not have any trouble with a normal metal door.
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Battles » krillin vs frieza

@Sonata said:
" @Destinyheroknight said:
" @Sonata said:
"I still don't think he is capable of defeating 100% Frieza he really didn't train much after the Cell saga. Tien is the only Non Saiyan/Namek I believe could beat Frieza "
What about 18? "
And her as well
 
@godeater: No the Cell Jr's beat him down like he stole something lol "

Ah yes but he was able to hold his own for a while, not to mention that he was able to hold his own against 1st form cell. I am not too sure whether or not he was stronger than 100% freiza as everybody around him was constantly undergoing transformations, which made his power appear to remain the same.
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Battles » Nappa vs Ironman

@Sonata:
Ah you misunderstood me, the point is that if something appears to contradict what is known, then you should attempt to use logic to explain it. The fact that Krillin has the power to arguably blow up moons and planets, yet failing to knock down a door of an unknown material begs one to examine the possibility that the door is not made out of ordinary materials. 
The use of Ketchin was just an extreme example as to show that we have no idea what the door is made out of. Only that moonbusters were unable to penetrate it.
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Battles » Broly Gaunlet


Okay I think that I am getting annoyed just by reading the first two pages of this forum. 
Broly loses technically either at 4, 5 or not at all. 
 
Goku and gohan are basically equal, except that goku is a better fighter and more experienced which will be far more useful than ki consumption. ssj3 goku is perhaps the only character that would have beaten Broly single-handidly (we don't know what help he was given, lol goku has good contacts) 

Broly is a galaxy buster, Dabura is not even stong enough to beat ssj1 rusty gohan. ssj2 majin vegeta has the ki to destroy a solar system, not necessarily the technique. Whereas Broly theoretically is one of the strongest in DBZ history. Kid Buu destroyed several galaxies, and so the only other confirmed galaxybuster is kid buu, which puts Broly immediately on terms with ssj3 goku and mystic gohan. However, that is before becomming Lssj. Therefore I can't gauge how strong Broly is. Sometimes he is as powerful as kid buu, whereas other times he is only at the strength of say ssj2 majin Vegeta. But that is DBZ, usually the upper feats make more sense. 
 
In conclusion stop making Broly out to be weaker than ssj3 gotenks it is annoying.

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Battles » Nappa vs Ironman

@judge said:
"@hitsusatsu11: so you ignore my post completly...  DB doesnt = DBZ  roshi destoys mountains but krillin can break a steel door?  using DB scans for a DBZ fight is nonsense "

Krillin could easily destroy a mountain, but he could not break down that door. If you add two and two together, you should realise that the door is not made out of steel, for all we know it could be made out of Ketchin (I think that is how you spell it). Ketchin was the strongest and most dense material in the DBZ universe. 
 
DB<<<<<<<<<DBZ 
moonbuster roshi vs planet buster vegeta. 
goku moving faster than lightning vs being the fastest thing king kai had ever seen (Namek saga) 
 
Also if any of you remember the concept of the conservation of energy, you would not want to blow up a planet, killing billions, emitting tons of light and sound, when a nice concentrated beam can get the job done.

Example:Vegeta did this in two mega attacks. Firstly his big bang attack against android 19, and then against cell. Now those attacks were huge yet he was able to keep his attacks more concentrated without blowing up the planet. 
 
Also who keeps going on about Bardock not being in space as he is talking? IT IS FICTION, with flying clouds (Nimbus), people teleporting, lifting mountains with telekinesis etc... 
Superman talks in space, every other hero in space talks. It is fiction. BTW (caps was not meant to show aggression but just as emphasis. bold just does not cut it by itself).

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Battles » Vegeta-Saiyan Elite- VS- Ang,Ichigo,Naruto

@JThree47605 said:
"Vegeta wins this what the hell?"

my words exactly
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Battles » ss2 teen gohan vs ss2 vegeta

  • This is absolutely ludicrous: 
    - ssj2 vegeta is smarter and wiser than gohan, and so would easily be able to get into his head, like buutenks did. 
  • - ssj2 Vegeta is far stronger than ssj2 gohan, because, Vegeta's base form is far stronger than that of gohan's, hence when Vegeta transforms he becomes even more stronger than gohan
  • - Vegeta is clearly the better fighter, with far superior techniques, in fact his arsenal of weapons is far more sophisticated than gohan's kamehameha wave. Vegeta has big bang attacks, final flash, not to mention his ability to predict moves.
  •  
  • Therefore there is only one winner and that is the prince of all saiyans: Vegeta

Post by soldier (495 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Battles » King Kai vs darkseid

Hey guys I like DBZ, but this is ridiculous, darkseid would own king kai, as he is stronger faster and smarter than king kai.

King kai may be psychic, he may have the power to make matter appear from nowhere, he may be way faster than lighting, and also an excellent fighter, but it would all be to no avail, as Darkseid with his true powers would do some serious damage, omega beams is too fast for someone as slow (relative to others) as King Kai.

 

Peace.

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Battles » Gear second Luffy vs Kaioken Goku

@JThree47693 said:
" @FLCL1 said:
" @JThree47693:  Really? "
Strength wise, yes. Goku has him beat in everything else though. "

    
HOW STRONG IS LUFFY??? 
  I AM VERY CONFUSED 
 
    
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Battles » who can beat Kami Tenchi?

@ssjsuperman said:
"

@Kurohige:
yes a god those need feats take the god if christianity they say he is omnipotent and all powerful but it took him 6 days to create a universe and had to rest

there are beings in dc that could to that with the snap of their finger and never have to rest. 
 
im not trying to be a d!ick but this Tenchi dude seems like hes all talk

"

lol dude the whole 6 days thing and resting was an example to man, how to live, work 6 days a week and rest on the 7th day. The rest day is a day for man. That is what christianity believes anyway. I am kind of a nerd about stuff like that. I just don't want you arguing with a christian with that misunderstanding. 
 
Also when you rest, it is usually because you are finished, the bible states that their deity needs no rest, is the alpha and omega, and is hurt by nothing. 
 
 
BTW you are only less than omnipotent if you show that you are inferior to something. 
 
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