soldier (Level 7)

@paladin:
The problem that I am having, is that you can state that, but you have not given a speed that the flash can reach.  Whereas MisterShin raised the good point that ssj goku and frieza and Namek had to have been over 26,298 times faster than light in battle. If you can show where the flash made that look like childs play, please enlighten me, otherwise what you have stated can not hold any weight. 
 
Peace.

Broly should annihilate current Thor. I think the reasons are obvious, Broly is way past FTL, I mean piccolo and goku could not touch him. Bare in mind that this was the same goku who was to fight cell, i.e. many times more powerful than frieza in every way. 
 
I have limited time here right now, but I can list several feats of both fighters and although other versions of Thor have a chance. From what I have seen of Thor as a marvel fan myself. Broly takes it in almost all departments. (2 exceptions are obvious) 
 
to be continued...

@KingOfSnipers said:

" @soldier said:

" @MisterShin: 3 light years per hour = 26,298 times faster than light  That is really fast fighting speed.  1 year is 365.25 days, there are 24 hours in a day, thus 1 lightyear per hour, is 8766 light years per year, thus 3 lightyears per hour is 26,298 light years per year. It takes light 1 year to travel a light year, thus, those ships are 26,298 times faster than the speed of light.   @people like DreamFor those people who say, well what is the point of instant transmission, just use your brain. If it takes weeks or even days using those ships to travel to other planets it is a waste of time, if you know a technique which can get you to another solar system or galaxy in seconds (or even less). What do you think a fighter would find more handy, moving FTL when his enemy can move slightly faster still, or moving ridiculously fast or even instantly in front of the enemy to blow off his head (yes I am referring to instant kamehameha vs cell). "

 If said enemy is already massively faster in all areas than said fighter, IT is practically useless because the enemy's reaction time would negate any advantage IT would give the other fighter. "

Except, it worked well against both cell and buu, it is also a very good saving technique, it has saved piccolo and tien, it is also a handy way to take his whole family anywhere in a flash. It has very good uses. Also if you are implying that flash 's reaction time negates any advantage IT gives goku, prove it.

@MisterShin:
3 light years per hour = 26,298 times faster than light 
 
That is really fast fighting speed. 
 
1 year is 365.25 days, there are 24 hours in a day, thus 1 lightyear per hour, is 8766 light years per year, thus 3 lightyears per hour is 26,298 light years per year. It takes light 1 year to travel a light year, thus, those ships are 26,298 times faster than the speed of light. 
  
@people like Dream
For those people who say, well what is the point of instant transmission, just use your brain. If it takes weeks or even days using those ships to travel to other planets it is a waste of time, if you know a technique which can get you to another solar system or galaxy in seconds (or even less). What do you think a fighter would find more handy, moving FTL when his enemy can move slightly faster still, or moving ridiculously fast or even instantly in front of the enemy to blow off his head (yes I am referring to instant kamehameha vs cell).

I will show you the travel speed of goku and dbz characters in general seeming as goku is the fastest anyway.

 

1) Goku travels to another galaxy in seconds - Broly movie 
 
 
 
 
2) Goku travels to New Namek to get Dende  - Perfect Cell saga      
 
 
3) Gotenks circles the earth several times as a ssj -        
 
4)Kid goku moves across the ring to steal Roshi's glasses, gets back into position, all before light from tien reaches him, already hinting light speed movement  -           
 
5) Raditz dodging a light beam (not like spiderman dodging a bullet, but by moving his body out of the way) 
        
 
Also note that he was offguard. 
  
 
I have to go, and so I could put more, but put it this way, all of those feat are relatively early on. Goku is over 100 times faster by the end of dbz. 
 
peace

Chi Chi would probably win, I mean she is faster and probably more skillful.

                    
                         
 
 
 
These scans are for those who are not too sure about the flash in general, not all of them are wally west, but it should give you an idea of the top hand scale of the flash. It is very impressive. 
Next up will be the goku feats. Then anybody can decide. The problem with the flash, is the technichal abuse of science, and that technichally if you are faster than light you have infinite speed. also many of these feats of the flash are supposed to be either at or below the speed of light as the flash does not have infinite mass in practically all of these scans. Thus like in Dragonball z, the maker does not know how fast light is.

@SilverGalford:
100 times a second would not even scare goku one bit, it is actually on the lower scale of the dbz universe. That is not even close to light speed. In fact a human can hit around 2 punches a second, and so that feat must be a very low end feat indeed. 
 
The vibrating molecule trick is alright but again what if goku starts firing ki blasts at him or the ground. In addition, what if he just runs through an after-image. Do you see my point. The point that I am trying to address is that everybody on the side of the flash, assumes that the flash is faster than goku in terms of both reaction and fighting. If I manage to disprove this or at least put it into question, this whole debate can be cleared up. I will now investigate this battle as it intruiges me. At his highest end he is punching about superboy prime which is incredible, however, it is also illogical as it puts him on a level that not even zoom has shown. I mean to make superboy prime bleed and flee requires a momentum that is very high, resulting in the need for incredible speed. Zoom has been able to own the likes of superman and wonderwoman, but has never dealt them that much damage. Thus the whole feat is put into question. 
 
i think that my nexxt post will likely try to highlight a series of Flash feats which are of course much better than a mere 100 punches per second.  Then I will post some of goku's speed and reaction feats.
 
Peace.

This debate is reliant on one thing; how fast are the two characters. Now before I debate, I would like to know exactly how much faster than goku, the flash is. I mean there is no point comparing him to zoom, in which he needed the whole speedforce , and borrowing other speedsters speed.  
 
I have an idea but it seems to me that the idea of the flash punching goku a billion times before he reacts is ridiculous. I just want to know your opinions, then I will explain why I think that goku wins this battle. 
 
Peace.

@DevilMayhem666 said:

"Even Roshi could beat Ichigo. "

nuff said

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"All depends which version. 
 
Buu Saga living ssj3 Goku<<<Mystic Gohan (because of draining energy) 
 
Full power ssj3 Goku (as in when he dead, like vs Janemba, or when he better controls it, like vs hildegarn)>>>Mystic Gohan 
 
At full power Goku could beat Buu in an instant 
 

 

And its more than likely end Z Base form Goku (and for sure GT Goku) is equal to ssj3 Buu saga Goku. "

 

I actually believe that they would be roughly equal, as mystic gohan was just under twice as strong as superbuu, I say this because he became twice as strong after absorbing ssj3 gotenks who is said to be at maximum equal to superbuu. In fact buu's fusion works by addition of powerlevel and so that is why vegito was far superior to buuhan. Kid Buu is then stated to be twice as strong as before. Remember that the context is that Vegeta detatched fat buu in hopes that buu would be weaker. However, they state that his power kept rising, meaning that kid buu was at least twice as strong as superbuu. ssj3 goku would then fight evenly with kid buu for a long period of time, and this is taking into account the amount of times buu was obliterated and then regenerated back. Gohan does not have the infinite energy of buu, nor the skill to learn peoples moves after seeing it once. Therefore goku should win by skill. 

The way I see it is that whilst Gohan has the advantage of not having to transform goku has far more years of skill to ensure the win. 
 
P.S. - Kid buu is actually even more powerful than 2 * superbuu as he was revealed to just be toying with ssj3 goku. There are some of you guys who may think that it is silly of me to think that kidbuu is at least equal to gotenksbuu, but just think about every single saga, after every fight goku gets far stronger. Goku fought buutenks and then buuhan, and then superbuu all except the first in ssj1/ssj2. Therefore goku's power was sure to increase because after the fusion goku and Vegeta were fine, whereas before they were deadmeat. Therefore when goku's baseform increases by "y", his ssj3 form increases by something like "200y"

...continuation
Goku and gohan were on the same level, because when picollo sensed mystic gohan, he thought that it was goku. 
 
Another claim by those who insist that goku is weaker than gohan, is that goku who said he was unsure about beating fat buu, was certain that a fused gotenks would beat buu, even though he never knew that they could turn ssj3. But the thing is, it is far more likely that goku was overestimating the fusion. He claimed buu would stand no chance but that was false. He was also determined to make sure that the next generation would save the universe. In fact when he sees them turn ssj3 he says that they reached a point that he couldn't reach until his whole life was over. (episode 245), now in context, goku is dead, and has already reached ssj3, but he did not obtain that form in his life. Goku did not say they were more powerful, but was in awe at how quickly they were able to obtain a level of power that took him so long to reach, it was just like gohan's surprise when he found out that goten was a supersaiyan. 
 

I propose that goku is stronger than mystic gohan, and I will debate this by firstly countering the arguments made by thoose who are sure that goku wins.  
                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                         The most common argument is that goku was scared of superbuu: The image on the right says "He'll kill us if we go out like this!! Wait! He's still stronger than us!"        Now if any of you remember, goku and vegeta were the size of fleas, their attacks were useless on the worms in buu, and they had no way of knowing how big they would be when they got out. Hence why if they went out "like this", they would have been dead meat. He is still stronger than them beause they are so small. 
Therefore goku had every reason to be scared. 
 
 
 
 
 
The second most common reason is that they assume that gohan was fighting alright against buutenks, but in actual fact it is similar to trunks vs cell were cell could have killed trunks easily at any point in time. They appeared even but cell demolished trunks after that. 
 
to be continued....

Okay I think that it is time for me to join this debate and say that, depending on what type of thanos they are up against determines the outcome. ReiKai is describing the top Thanos who is above the DC gods in some respects, however the reason why this leads to big debates is because, goku ssj3 is arguably a match for superman who thumps darkseid, yet many believe darkseid to be superior to thanos. This causes one to think, well hang on a minute, if guys like superman can take out darkseid, goku should be ablte to take on the likes of Thanos. 
 
However there are certain factors that need to be addressed: 

Speed: Thanos will not just get speedblitzed (the one ReiKai is talking about), if it is just straight at him (as SS usually does), however, what ReiKai is failing to see is that even in DBZ that is not a valid move, just look at Krillin vs Nappa fight. When he charges at Nappa, at the last second he changed direction, and it caught Nappa by surpirse. This is very common in DBZ, never go head on, in fact it was why gohan was unsuccessful against Dabura. In fact DBZ fighters are experts at quickly changing direction. Examples include goku dodging freiza's attack whilst in that sphere, plus the whole Cell vs goku battle. 
 
Magical abilities: Thanos makes SS look like childs play, yet even Majin Buu who could destroy the universe with his magical Ki, could not absorb Vegetto (some claim the Kai's helped, but I have not to this day found out where they got that idea). (I know that these are movies), but goku was able to go up against reality warper Janemba and also slay Hirudegarn. I have no idea how goku would fair when materialised into an inanimate object, but I know Vegetto still kicks butt (lol). I also don't know whether they would escape or survive a black hole. What I do know is that reality warper and matter manipulators did not even attempt it, as if it would be fruitless. 
 
Strength: Thanos has god-like strength, pimp slapped up silver surfer, and so is not one to charge head on against. But DBZ moving at insane speeds, and experts in martial arts always have their backs covered, in the sense that they are already insanely strong, goku lifted isometrically 40 tons in base form (struggling), ssj3 is 200 times more powerful, meaning that goku could lift about 8000 tons max. Vegeta would be about 4000 tons, as ssj2 is 100 times more powerful than baseform. Vegetto's power is basically goku's strength times Vegeta's which is:  32 million tons. This is clearly below the likes of Thanos. However that is pure lifting power. There punching power would be greatly increased by speed and technique. Speed pulses in dragonballz: goku dodged tien's solar flare which is light, and he was a kid. Therefore DBZ strength is not to be laughed at. 
 
Fighting skills: 
Clearly Thanos is outclassed in this area, goku has displayed the ability to within seconds know an opponents techniques and all its flaws, plus mimic it in an even better form. 
 
Blast power: Goku is definetely greater than a solarsystem buster, as Cell's kamehameha wave was solar system busting power. King Vegeta had a power level approximately 10000 and destroyed 3 planets with one blast in a canon movie special. Vegetto is surely greater than a galaxy buster because the energy required to blow up a solar system squared is greater than that required for a galaxy. However, Thanos is very powerful. 
  
 
There are many other things, I think that the team wins this, but this is heavily due to the use of the extremes of both sides. If you feel that I am underestimating Thanos please inform me of what I am missing out. 
 
Peace.

 

 

@ssjsuperman said:

" @Mortein: even if it was anime vegeto  would still lose. "

I have to disagree with that.

This is ridiculous, goku does not have to kill lobo to win this. Goku has the arsenal to beat lobo. He is faster, and his ki is above that of arguable solar and galaxy busters. I think it was the most stupid storyline that lobo was able to annoy others so that he could escape hell, I mean come on if supergirl can deal with it, you would think that any angel would pwn him.

@Sonata said:

"Loses all three with the Vegito one being an epic beatdown. "

@Dream said:

" @Metatora:  Super Buu's the more stronger Buu. Kid Buu's only more dangerous because he's more mentally unstable and willing to kill more quicker. "

Kid buu is far stronger than super buu

@TheOneAboveAll said:

"@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Bardock powerlevel=or>10,00  King Vegeta's powerlevel should exceed this by a slight amount "

qft@soldier: King Vegeta's henchman was sent to kill broly King Vegeta 1 shotted paragus to near death "

Thankyou for highlighting Vegeta's bad judgement and his fail at executing (lol just joking). The truth is that as far as the film shows, Bardock is a far better fighter with at least the same powerlevel, and so he should win the fight.

@battleheiz said:

" @rein: You know that Maxima wins right? "

What do you mean "know", put up the argument, rather than try to make people feel insecure, the reason why android 18 wins this is simple, she can withstand the attacks of planet busters, is too fast for maxima, has infinite energy (never tires, not omnipotent sense). In fact, I have more than enough to strongly show that she is more than enough to handle someone on current superman's level (maxima is on that level). 
Right now I am short on time, but post me back and then I will get back to you asap. 
I hope I did not sound aggressive, you are entitled to your opinion, but in my next post I will try to convince you, and that judge person otherwise.