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Battles » Novel Vampire Hunter D Vs Thanos

Thanos wins. "D" has the ability to hurt him, but Thanos can just AoE. "D" can cut through anything and negate regen up to a 4th dimensional level. "D" also has upwards of Lightspeed+ reaction speed. Thanos takes the Silver Surfer and spanks him to death. "D" can possibly split down direct energy breams from Thanos. But he can't stop Thanos from just obliterating the planet.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Jirou vs hulk (arm wrestling)

Hulk shattered a planetoid twice the size of earth in earlier comics. Later he collapsed a dimension by clapping his hands together. He has no upper limit and even Stan Lee has said this. The Hulk effectively has infinite strength. He will always get stronger.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » SSG GOKU VS KUMAGAWA AND MEDAKA AND Ajimu

Only people their level are those who can do the same, but better. Or those who can basically give their RW powers the finger, like Void Shiki Ryougi. Maybe Hikaru after she became the Pillar of Cephiro in Magic Knights Rayearth, where she has the power to do anything she wishes and make anything real and used that to give the entire populace the power to restore their world through Belief.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Franlin Richards vs Haruhi Suzumiya

@AnimeDefender: When she was asleep. Near end of the 1st season of the anime. Nagato and Koizumi barely managed to inform Kyon in his dreams of what was going on as he was caught in the same dreamscape as Haruhi where they trapped on the school grounds and a Celestial is destroying anything and they stated that Haruhi was going to destroy the universe and they didn't know what would happen afterwords. The only thing that stopped her from dumping all recreation was a plea from Kyon, and of course he kissed her too and that was enough of a shock to stop'er from making them all non-existent.
 
Then Kyon wakes up and falls off his bed. Next morning Kyon is informed the universe was, in fact, changed, but is only subtly different from the previous one.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Franlin Richards vs Haruhi Suzumiya

@KingOfAsh: No he wouldn't. Haruhi remakes the universe constantly and changes the laws of reality by accident based on her mood. She can cause infinite time loops and blanked the universe, and had removed all of the Dr Who's, Espers and Aliens from the universe, yet Kyon was the only one affected by this because of his connection to Haruhi. None of them even knew she existed besides Kyon until she transferred to the School.
 
When Haruhi gets upset she creates pocket universes and Celestials to destroy them and if she isn't calmed down or made happy (by Kyon most of the time), then the universe ceases to exist and she creates a new one. And she can do it in her sleep.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Franklin Richards vs Z

@Dream: When you're at universe/multiverse level of power, you're considered nigh-omnipotent. 2 LHW has Zetto at universal level, he has 5 altogether. Either way it's another pointless debate.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Franklin Richards vs Z

LHW negates Reality Warping and Zetto blitz-erases him from existence. Btw Omnipotent/Nigh-Omnipotent threads are prohibited.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

If people wanted to put so much stock on Character Statements, then here's one from Birus; "This stuff you call 'Ki' doesn't seem to work on gods, does it?" This he says to Vegeta after bitchslapping SS3 Goku. If we took that at face value, it'd mean everyone automatically loses because he's immune to Ki.
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Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@taichokage: Which proves nothing because GT doesn't even follow the Z story nor incorporates the same abilities. The entire scene was pure PIS. Nvm that Goku never actually beat them. They got frozen in ice because for some reason they don't have body beat while in Hell. Nvm that he, again, got trounced by the Para Para Bros who used Sound to trap them. You can disapprove as much as you like, but the fact remains, the entire GT cast is horribly weak.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@IndridCold: It never said Goku was stronger and actually noted he was weaker because he was reduced to the body of a Child and was incapable of making use of his full strength because of this and even said so when he tried using SS3 against Baby Vegeta and found that his abilities hadn't increased at all because his body was too under-developed to make use of it.
 
So once again, everything points to him being weaker. And by all accounts, Freeza would kill Pan and several of the Shadow Dragons.
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Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@IndridCold: Except that every shred of evidence proves that the GT cast are Not Stronger than their DBZ counterparts.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@taichokage: Goku's best feats are actually from the Movies, not GT. Absorbing a Genki-Dama, defeating a Giant Fear Monster that backhanded Mystic Gohan, and of course the new Canon Movie special Battle of Gods where he faces off with a God who can drain the force of an entire Galaxy.
 
Don't try to pull this BS card with me. GT is non-canon and weak compared to the original series. It's a fact. Goku says Rildo is Buu level and Pan knocks him around. Honestly, Pan should not be capable of hurting any of the bad guys in any way without going SSJ, something she can never do because of the shit writing job. Pan also killed a Shadow Dragon fairly easily, which would show even the SD's are ridiculously weak.
 
btw the Shadow Dragons were kinda bullshit. Nvm that the Blackstar Dragon make them look like toddlers, given it could actually recreate a planet that was obliterated more than 50yrs earlier, when as we know early restrictions on Shenron kept it from reviving people who died more than a year earlier. Which, btw, all restrictions on the Dragons powers are imprinted on them by the DB creator. Which would mean The Namek (Kami and Piccolo as one being before splitting) had created the most powerful set of DB in existence. Of course with the worst drawback possible, being it'd destroy the planet they were used on. And that is another reason why GT is so much fail.
 
If you counted that then after Kami forced his darkside out and made Piccolo the BS Balls lose their power and Kami needed to create a new Set, and why make an entirely new dragon with the Same Image as the last one when you can, oh I don't know...use the Same Model and balls as before, thus eliminating the BS balls from existence entirely. Which would never resurface since Dende would use the same set to respawn Shenron.
 
Again, showing the inconsistency and piss poor writing job that was GT.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@DBZ_universe: King Piccolo nuked a city even. That's how poor GT is.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@danzi97: And again, Character Statements are Meaningless. If that is all you have to rely on then you have no evidence. Given the poor writing job and the fact the team wasn't even the same as those working on the original series with no consultation of Toriyama beyond Character Designs, everything in GT is weak and useless. Or need we remind you of Goku and co getting slapped around by the Para Para brothers who use Music as a weapon?
 
Also there were further numbers after the Freeza Saga, they were producted by V-Jump (Viz Media), as well as Funimation/Bandai and those who all own a piece of the franchise. Which is why the numbers differ in some instances because they don't collaborate with each other. However, so long as Toriyama doesn't come out and say they're wrong, they are all technically Official.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@chrono122: Misstatement by V-Jump. They have conflicting figures. 2.5billion was Teen Gohan's PL as a SSJ in the Cell Games. Goku's as a FPSSJ was 3billion. Early figures years earlier during the first release of the Buu saga had Gogeta's estimates in the 2trillion range. It was an overhyped figure.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@taichokage: Character Statements don't mean anything. GT also doesn't follow the same lines, principles and logic as DBZ. Especially when you have a cameo of Cooler when all the villains escaped from Hell with the 2nd #17. The writers had no idea what they were doing and just pulled badguy names out of a hat.
 
As I've said, I did the research and ran the numbers. The highest placement of Omega Shenron's power was 9billion. That's it. Goku as a SS3 in the Buu Saga was 24billion. That would mean for SS4 Goku to be getting his ass kicked around by OS, he'd have to be significantly weaker than his DBZ Counterpart.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@danzi97: Not how it works. GT is non-canon and bears no connection to the Original series besides namesake. Numbers place the GT cast as vastly weaker than the DBZ cast. Can't assume Time Skip makes them stronger with no indication of this and, in fact, all indications point to them being a shitton weaker than they had been. I've already run the numbers. GT Goku is at least 48x Weaker than Buu Saga Goku.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@xlab3000 said:

Didn't Goku still have the ssjg power at the end of the movie with that and the various timeskips he should stomp Bills.

Don't be dense. GT is non-canon and SSG doesn't exist in the GT series. Numbers also prove the GT cast is vastly weaker than their DBZ selves. 
 
@taichokage said:
That I don't know, however, he would likely have been at least stronger than Omega Shenron in base since he absorbed his entire source of power plus his own on too of that.
Meaningless. The Shadow Dragons power came from Negative energy created by the wishes granted. The Dragon Balls at the end were Purified, that means there is no actual power left from the Shadow Dragons nor would Goku acquire them. Fans speculated Goku becoming a god in the future, which is irrelevant since he was already a God thanks to the recent movie, which has thrice proven the fact that GT is non-canon and never will be.
 
Nvm Word of God states the Twelve Gods of Destruction all being Universe-busters when at full strength, Birus openly stated he wasn't at his full power and needed to hibernate longer.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe: The whole color change bit when he goes Legendary is really just a side-effect of his energy permeating the atmosphere. It's not like we haven't seen the like before. Like when the Dragon gets summoned, things go dark. Or when Goku first went SSJ and there was a lightning storm and from a distance the area where Goku was got brighter. Or the time in the anime Vegeta went SSJ after getting his ass kicked by #18 and his energy pushed away the sky clear enough you could see space. it's just stuff like that.
 
As for Brolly drawing from living things, I would say he does. At least things that are either not sentient or have the presence of mind not to guard themselves. Remember, Ki is Life Force. Brolly's presence caused a drought in that region that lasted until he was gone. Plants and animals alike died off. It's kinda like with the Tree of Might, except on a smaller scale and over a longer period of time. When he's Awake and Transformed he probably draws on larger more ambient sources of energy, like the sun. When he's asleep or unconscious he may only require much smaller pools to siphon, like the landscape. Of course this is more of a subconscious reaction when he's injured as opposed to something he can consciously control.
 
So it's not like he's Dr Gero and can just absorb energy outright. It's more gradual and automatic. It's not entirely unlike Majin Buu in that case. There was an instance with Mystic Buu when he created a giant energy sphere he claimed was comprised of all the remaining energy he had collected from the planets he destroyed. It's something like that. Brolly may very well be taking a small portion of the energy of everything he's ever destroyed or whatever remains of it that floats in the universe as cosmic rays. When you think too deeply, it starts to get really technical and confusing.
 
But basically, if we included the game event where Brolly survives being blasted into the Sun, his survival of that event can be attributed to this ability. That what he did, while Unconscious, was absorb the ambient energy the sun radiated to sustain his own life force and recuperate from his injuries. It seems more of an automatic reaction his body itself performs for self-preservation.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Bardock vs Nappa

Let's just watch this and enjoy.
  
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