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Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Platinum_94 said:

yeah, Lightning burns are hot as the sun surface Freiza can created supernovas and so can cooler

Don't talk. The "Super Nova" is just the name of an attack they use. It does not possess the force of an actual Super Nova nor has it been indicated to generate the same heat as a star. Lightning is a form of plasma and can generate heat in excess of 83thousand degrees celsius. That doesn't mean it always does. It's dependent on the level of ionization in the surrounding atmosphere.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: I'm not seeing any movies shown, nor am I seeing this proven in any form. And you're relying wholly on a Plot-Device used against Brolly as if it has any actual meaning. It doesn't. Any other day of the week and the Sun wouldn't even give him a tan. And the fact that in the continued story it doesn't kill him would say otherwise about the Sun offing him. Which, again, wasn't even the case.

The kamehameha wave doesn't have heat behind it.

Tell that to Freeza's hand which showed burn marks and literally had smoke rising from his palm after blocking Goku's 20xKaioken Kamehameha. Ki can be manipulated in other forms. Roshi and others have used it to form electric based attacks. Roshi creating an electric net he used on Goku during the 21st Budokai. If we include the Otherworld Tournament, Pikkon created both Fire and Lightning with his Ki for this "Thunderflash Attack".

Otherwise Roshi couldn't have put out a mountain of flames with it.

Roshi didn't put out the fire on the Ox Kin's mountain. He intended to blow away the fire. Instead he Blew Up the Mountain. Also it is clear that Ki can do more than just create heat as concussive force alone isn't enough to break down cellular matter. Gohan's blast on Cell destroyed his every cell, including his nucleus, vaporizing him utterly.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: It's not the same. You could have someone who is 100% resistant to fire and even a flame of 1million degrees won't hurt him, but he still dies due to lack of oxygen or a lead ball from a musket lodges itself in his skull. Durability and Resistance are not the same thing. Also, Ki is not based on Physical energy. Ki (Qi, Chi, Ch'i) is Life Force. It's the Life Energy present in all living things. You're confusing it with Chakra (from Naruto) which is a combination of Physical and Spiritual energy present in the body.

 It's an attack that destroys everything, since it was stated that non even a non corporeal being could survive it.

That's what we call a NLF until you can actually prove it.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: Flying near a star isn't durability, it's heat resistance. Durability would be having a star thrown into your face and/or exploding. So far, you haven't proven anything we haven't already seen from earlier figures. Even Cooler wasn't really killed by the Sun, but by being pinned between it and his own attack, which broke down his defenses until it could hurt him. When asking people, they can tell you Brolly's shield is capable of withstanding the shockwave of a planetary explosion when he was but an infant.
 
In Movie 8, Brolly tanked a fully charged Kamehameha from a FPSSJ Goku at point blank range, which had zero effect on Brolly.
  
 This same level of attack when used on Cell during the Cell Games blew half of Cell's body away. Yet against Brolly, it did absolutely nothing. This would be when Goku is approaching system-level capacity. As of yet I have not seen a single destruction feat for Saturn from you. Only your claims and hyperbole statements.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: You clearly didn't understand the scene, and you're not showing them doing the traveling. You're skipping pages. Not a good sign when you do that.
 
And here's a correction for you. It was SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SSJ Goten who only Pushed Brolly into the Sun by way of a Plot-Device. That is two System-Buster+'s and a planet/star buster (Goten), who were in fact all losing out to Brolly in a power struggle with Brolly just toying with them and making them suffer a slow end and torturing them with making them feel helpless as his attack grew closer and closer and no matter how hard they were trying it still wasn't enough. Plot-Device kicks in with a weak-ass blast from Trunks, that somehow floats into the path of Brolly's attack boosts and mysteriously prevents him from powering up his attack. Again, it's a Plot Device.
 
Heat of the sun wasn't even hurting Brolly. He can, in fact, create barriers to guard himself. As for SM team, we're seeing a Garden on a star. That means Magic. So I wouldn't give that much credit when they're flying on a Star that has Plants growing on it. It's Magic.
 
And here's something. It took about 7sec for that beam to Force Brolly to the sun. It takes light roughly 8min to reach the Earth from the Sun. That makes the beam just above 68xLightspeed. Given that velocity, Brolly was still capable of firing off further attacks and erecting a barrier before it hit him and pushed him off world.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Platinum_94

 - Nappa survive King vegeta lifting his hand and destroying 3 planets in anime

That's filler. We don't count filler. It's non-canon.

- Broly didn't even get a scratch from the sun LOL, It was the core of the sun + Kamehameha pierced his heart. Know the difference loser

Don't insult people even if they're wrong. The beam didn't pierce Brolly's heart. It was a plot-device either way. It was a triple beam attack from SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SSJ Goten which blasted him at FTL velocity into the Sun, somehow penetrating his barrier and forcing him through the sun itself. Which would put him under millions of degrees of heat and gravity thousands of times that of the Earth. His skin ruptured from the forces. However in the game continued storyline he actually survives this event. He wasn't uninjured, but he survived.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kyo vs Yusuke

No one in SDK is lightspeed, or even remotely close. Yusuke at EoS is a Mid to High-Tier S-class ranked Demon. A-class have life wiping potential. S-class are planet-busters. Yusuke's fight in the DWT was destroying entire mountain ranges as side-effects of battle. And Yusuke is so hax he created a new 4th form of Energy beyond Spirrit, Demon and Heavenly. This allowed him to basically tie out with Yomi, one of the Three Demon Kings who made Enma (King of the Spirit World) afraid.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

And now Brolly solos the Justice League!
  
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Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@taichokage said:

According to those videos it would appear that Broly has the innate ability to travel through different realities at will. Must be a power derived Brolypotence. This is spite.

Indeed.
  
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@Saiyan007: That's all King Kai said, but he didn't explain how it was done or what was keeping him in the star. Was it a gravity field he couldn't penetrate or an actual prison that was impervious to the stars heat/gravity that prevented him from leaving and from anyone else trying to get him out? Really, they never explained it beyond saying he was trapped there. Even in Movie 5 with Cooler the Sun didn't immediately kill him, and it was being pinned between the Sun and his own attack plus Goku's Kamehameha that killed him.
 
  
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@Saiyan007: How Bojack was imprisoned and what he was imprisoned in to contain him within that star is never stated. That whole bit was just full of plotholes and lack of explanation. And I have yet to see any point where Bojack started in the Galaxy to reach Earth and no mention of actual distance given nor has anyone even attempted to calculate it. Given SS2 Teen Gohan stomped him would show he's still not as fast as SPC or a SS2.
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Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@Saiyan007: And by all estimations and calcs so is Cell, and Cell has regeneration whereas Bojack does not. And SPC also seems to have acquired Instant Transmission as well.
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Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@Saiyan007: Bojack is weaker than SPC and Brolly bitchslaps the both of them.
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@Saiyan007 said:

so wait broly is a galaxy buster?

Yes. you could say 99.99% of the Southern Galaxy was destroyed by Brolly who was in a Restricted form. Restricted being in a Psuedo-SSJ Form caused by the Control Circlet that Restrains his power and prevents him from using his full strength. Which would indicate that an Unrestrained Brolly could do far more with less effort and have far greater results.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: I don't accept character statements. However the Daizenshuu confirmed Cell as a system-buster. That would mean anyone of the same level and above would possess that capacity and more. As for Freeza, he was in base form, as Namek is indicated as 2-3x the size of the Earth. He was also kept as far away as possible by Nail and stalled by him. Freeza was also stunned for about a minute by just seeing the darkening of the sky. If you mean the time he was fighting Goku, Freeza wasn't aware wishes had to be made in Namekian and had no cause to stop Dende there.
 
The guidebooks don't state the cast as hypersonic only, and a number of their techniques translate as "light" attacks. But that doesn't mean much. We have feats and evidence that display and prove speed. I'm not seeing the same from you. Also, absorbing power from a star isn't the same as producing enough force to stop all reactions in the star and destroy it. Ultimately it doesn't even matter, because that level of force by itself, isn't even enough to mark up Brolly's abs.
 
Refer to this: Brolly rapes. There is no other outcome.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@supernova7005: Actually it says "The Southern Galaxy Has been attacked" as in past tense, it just happened, and the Narrator is referencing the event, to which King Kai immediately reacts to said event. Regardless of the wording, we see first hand what happened. All that remained of the Soutern Galaxy is little more than Crumbs. Every planet Goku visited was a dead world. There was nothing left save what Paragus had preserved for his own reasons.
 
Those videos have been debunked time and again for their faulty reasoning and terrible logic. It's just haters hating.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@supernova7005: Well if you include the continued game story, Brolly survives being blasted through the sun, heals himself and comes back with a massive zenkai and becomes LSSJ3. Other such stories and "What if" scenarios had him properly killing everyone and going on to destroy the universe.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: What I ignore are Character Statements with no visual evidence to back them. And your personal interpretation of speed is biased, baseless and irrelevant.
 
Ginyu Saga, Burter moved so fast time seemed to slow down for people who were already hypersonic. Goku at the same time moved so fast Burter was completely blitzed by him. Later, Freeza in his final form shot a finger beam so fast that nobody could react as it killed Dende, and Piccolo remarked that all he saw was a brief flash. Some could interpret that as it being a lightspeed attack. I don't, but generally only because I have my own measurements based on earlier evidence. Though it could still have very well been given Piccolo's much earlier efforts against the Moon.
 
I have evidence and calculations based on that evidence. Which I could estimate as being far greater given the nature of the DBU as explained by Akira Toriyama. I'm not because there's simply no need to overly complicate a series that was never meant to be complicated. The simple fact remains that Brolly devastated an entire galaxy in a restricted form, and Sailor Saturn doesn't even have a legitimate star-busting feat, only a Claim of possessing the Capability to do so. Visual Evidence trumps character statements. And unless there's an official guide book to correct this, then as far as it can be shown, Saturn isn't a star-buster.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » broly vs sailor saturn

@Echelon9: I'm still not seeing evidence of any of this at all. You can make all the claims you want, but I'm not seeing any evidence provided that might even remotely prove it. All I see are assumptions.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Broly vs The 4 Heavenly Kings

@taichokage: You should see the DBM Minicomic -> Poor Raditz
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