ReiKai (Level 9)

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Battles » Goku vs Dark Schneider

@DBZ_universe: I don't hate DBZ. But this is just silly. The first five minutes is just Darsh laughing uncontrollably and making fun of Goku's hair.
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Battles » Kratos (GoW) vs. Death (Darksiders)

A killer of gods and the reaper of souls. Kratos slew for vengeance against the gods that betrayed him. Death fought to save his brother War from the Charred Council, even though they don't seem to get along. These two tackle armies, slay monsters and giants, both living and dead. Kratos defeated the Olympians, and Death defeated powerful Demons, Spirits, and even went blade-to-blade with the Demon Prince Samael.
 
Both of these figures possess varied arsenals of weapons to use at their behest. Kratos possesses the Rage of the Titans, while Death has the power of his Reaper Form. Both of them are extremely difficult to kill, and neither of them will give up for anything. The Son of Zeus must take on the Pale Rider, a Demi-God against one of the last of the Nephilim. 
 
Round 1: In Character
Round 2: Bloodlusted, no PIS
 
Battle will take place in the lands of Nosgoth (Legacy of Kain). Because, in the future, the place is kind of a shithole.
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Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

Even waiting, I haven't seen anyone provide any actual evidence of the claims I've seen. Especially not this "MFTL"  for the CCC version of the characters. The "it says on a wiki" does not apply. I asked for evidence to be provided. That means direct quote from Novelizations, clips from the Visual Novels, anime or Manga scans. Things that can be noted directly or quantified within a fair margin of error.
 
I'm not seeing any of that from you guys, which leads me to conclude that such evidence does not exist. As such, regardless of incarnation, neither Gilgamesh nor Archer possess the speed or ability to match, much less defeat, Haseo. Whose Morgana Factor, Skeith, allows him to move at lightspeed.
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Battles » Ichigo vs. Majeh

As each series draws ever closer to their inevitable finish, there has yet to be a conclusion as to which of these otherworldly fighters would win in a battle. Majeh, both a fighter and a Shinigami for the passed three-hundred years, or Ichigo who is more than just a Shinigami mixed with a Hollow?
 
Stage 1: Sealed Majeh vs. Shikai Ichigo (Hueco Mundo arc)
Stage 2: Temp-Release Majeh vs. Bankai Ichigo (HMA)
Stage 3: Full Release Majeh vs. Final Getsuga Ichigo
Final Stage Speculation: King of Hell Majeh vs. EoS Ichigo (to be determined at series end)
 
The final stage, of course, can't really be determined until both series are concluded. However we do see an idea of what they'll become. Majeh is to acquire the Power of Yama, which gave the previous king absolute reign over all of the dead in Hell. This took the form of a hammer for him. It was unblockable and it never missed. How this power will manifest in Majeh's hands is unknown.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare said:
Archer and Gil are MFLT at their strongest, not point in denying it you made them that. And he's not lightspeed. So they get bltized whether you accept the completely justified MFTL speed or not.

I have not seen one shred of evidence that proves this and none of you have even attempted to provide such.

How nice that we're using game terms now.

Only to the extent that Haseo and Kirito aren't flesh and blood.

Gae Bolg as explained by Nasu himself does the following. Sets your HP to 1 and then substracts it's own/Lancer's attack from that 1 HP you have left, ensuring a kill. It also negates any kind of regenerative power.

Here's something; How often has this ever actually worked? Because I look from the Anime, to the Manga, to the special movies, and other incarnations, and Gae Bolg has either failed to kill the person, been blocked or negated entirely. For a guy who's supposed to have an 'auto-win' attack, he fails to actually win anything with it. Not only that, but Shirou has been healed completely after being struck with it. So clearly, it doesn't work as it's supposed to.

And since Haseo can't actually be killed or put down if his HP is "zero", it doesn't matter anyway. Haseo is Skeith, as such he can't be killed by such means. Plus, Skeith's sceptor is a one-hit kill as it automatically data-drains whomever is struck. It's what happened to Orca when he tried to fight Skeith.

So unless you can provide an argument against this, don't even start.

Try giving some actual evidence.

Also your calc holds no merit, once you post it on a forum that does calcs and people review it come back and we'll speak about it.

And I'm supposed to take your word on any of these calcs I have not seen put to any kind of debate as opposed to those I did myself using the proper tools and measurements of data? Sorry, but I take my word over yours in this respect. 
 
Besides, all the talk of "who gets the femkito", doesn't matter. Haseo already has a Harem, unlike these guys.
And I'm sure you all remember Tsukasa from .hack//Sign yes? The silver-haired boy who was a wavemaster. I'm sure you also know that Tsukasa is actually a Girl.
And her name was Ann Shouji. And she ended up having a relationship with Subaru's player, Mariko, who is also a girl. Which I actually thought was one of the best moments in the .hack series as a whole.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

Data Drain takes nothing. Peoples idea of it is based off the Games where you must perform some action to create it. DD in the Novels is fired almost instantly and requires no such charge. I said from the beginning it was Novels and special appearances. Even in the Manga, Haseo could actually fire DD Bullets from his X-Guns, and they could auto-lock. Gae Bolg would only kill them, if they were like flesh and blood humans and if Gil and Archer didn't get torn apart by Haseo at the get go.
 
Actually shown numerous times their VR selves aren't so vulnerable. Kirito has actually been impaled multiple times and even had limbs cut off. His data form reconstitutes itself while he still has "health". As such, running him through the heart would only hurt, not kill. As for Haseo, as Skeith, normal levels of attack just don't affect him. In this it also would include special attacks and spells. Only something outside of the parameters (beyond the normal criteria) would be able to even damage him, and the only thing that could actually potentially kill him is a Data Drain or something of that equivalency in this case, like Erasing.
 
Gil and Archer lack such ability, and no one has of yet actually proven their speed. I see the speculated Mach 45 from them, which actually caled by myself using a Calculator and not a guess, would knock Saber's speed with "Prana Boost" to Mach 36 at best. Which is nothing since Haseo is lightspeed at base. As of the final volume Haseo and Skeith are one and the same, and has regained all his memories as Sora from the previous version of 'The World'.
 
In the GU game and Manga, this merger was visually shown in the introduction of his Xth form where he acquires the X-Guns and that more leather look that shows off his navel for no reason. In the Novel, he does acquire an Xth Form, however it more resembles his 3rd Form, only white with a bit more armor, and he acquires Skeith's Sceptor, as indicated in the cover image in the op. As such, Haseo does not require some chant or charge time to perform a data drain nor to summon Skeith. It's actually more reminisce of the end of the GU Trilogy movie when Ovan and Haseo were covered in their Avatar markings and brought them out instantaneously.
 
Another thing for "Durability" with Haseo was, of course, surviving the Rebirth at Ground Zero, which effectively tore down and restructured the entire system (ie universe). An event that almost killed Haseo when it was unleashed. Of course this sparked a mental link with Skeith and the two bonded completely, restoring Haseo and becoming the Xth form. "The Terror of Death" is no longer just his PKK Nickname, it's exactly what he is.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare
1.It's not a time difference it's a time acceleration, something not given to the previous worlds like SAO and ALO. It's actually accelerating the thought process by this factor. Since this is Kirito with all his abilities from every world, the acceleration counts.
2. Oh did I now? I never "thought" of it.
3. Byork.
4. I'd like you to try and prove it, which I know you can't. Besides, Haseo is KoT. Makes him universe level. All eight Morgana Factors, equal to Aura. As such he has endless regeneration via Magus the Propagation, and can create duplicates of others with Innis, the Mirage of Deceit. Fidchell the Prophet essentially gives precognition.
 
Skeith essentially just kills everything.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: Remember, this is as their selves within the VR world as generated into the real world. As such his speed and reaction is as given to their VR selves. With Kirito, that means super-sonic flight and near Mach 30 reaction speed. Haseo, joined with his Avatar, is...*dramatic pause*...Lightspeed. No misinterpretation. Stated fact in the .hack//G.U. novels. When an Epitaph user engages with their Avatar, they're moving and fighting at lightspeed.
 
As such, Team 2 gets messed over before they even know what's happening.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: Like I made in the op, this is Novel appearances. Their selves in the VR world are controlled by the brain. Speed and reaction are dependent on their thoughts. Project Alicization ramped up the thought processes of all those connected by a factor of 320x. As such his speed and reactions would be that much faster than they were previously. It's not much different than what happened to people in Dot-Hack when they were trapped in the AIDA server. 4min in Real Time was more than 12hrs in the Aida Server. That there is a dilation factor if 180x.
 
Haseo and other Epitaph Users, when joined with their Avatars, accelerate beyond this by a massive degree. Hypersonic would be like standing still to them.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: @phantomrant: Kirito and everyone in the Alicization arc when within the VR world have their mental processes multiplied by a factor of 320x, effectively the world within is moving faster than the real world. Like a form if time dilation. In essence, one day in the Real World is a Year inside the VR world. It's like the Room of Spirit and Time in DBZ. As such Kirito is affected by this time dilation and moves accordingly.
 
Kirito already had around or above peak human speed in SAO, around 70mph. Add in dilation factor multiplied his processes and speed by 320x and that kicks him up to Mach 29. Kirito was actually already super-sonic in flight in Alfheim Online, where he gained Spriggan Wings.
 
Oh and Haseo in full sync with his Avatar, aka Morgana Factor (Skeith), is a lot faster than this by a considerable level.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

The two biggest names in the VR world come together in full form (thanks to the power of Digitization), Haseo the Terror of Death, and Kirito the Elite Black Swordsman. They'll take on two of the biggest contenders in the Holy Grail Wars, two guys who look like they could be brothers; Silver and Gold...I mean, Archer and Gilgamesh.  

Haseo and Kirito have all their abilities from the Novels and special appearances. Archer and Gilgamesh are at the top of their game. Haseo and Kirito can't GM the world. Aside from that, everything works as per normal.
 
Special Round: UBW Archer vs. B-St Haseo
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

@Dream: Creating your own interpretation of events is not a good thing. It's already been made clear in the series that Mazoku can attack directly from the Astral Plane. It's even possible for them to grant limited forms of immortality to humans. 
 
Not only this, but everyone seems to miss the fact that Mazoku have their own form of magic and curses, one of which turns the intended target into an amorpheous mass stuck in an endless loop of death and rebirth as its ever-changing, malignant body continuously consumes itself over and over and over again, and will continue indefinitely until either ended by the Mazoku who used the curse, or rescinded by one of a greater level of power. And the target of the curse can't be killed by normal means and is driven completely insane the moment they've been struck with it.
 
This is what Seigram did in the Novels, and he is several notches in power below Xellos. Not only do we have things like this, but Mid-Level Mazoku who can levitate a landmass large enough to cover the entirety of the White Magic City of Seyruun. An effect Kanzel continued even after his partner was killed, and maintained it even during battle without any effort. This done while he could attack from multiple angles using dimensional rifts, effectively splitting his astral form in order to attack from any direction he pleased.
 
Btw, a surprise Dragonslave couldn't kill Kanzel. It hurt'im, but more ticked him off than anything else. And he's even weaker than Seigram.
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Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: I calced it myself and the instance was Mach 12, not 15. I go with what I see for myself. And the "Prana Boost" looks like what I expected. She's being Pushed by it, which is Movement speed, not Reaction.
 
@Dream: Yet as it was shown, they weren't even visible in the physical world when their attacks hit. In fact, Gaav didn't even appear until several seconds after Xellos was screaming in pain on the ground. The same was true for Xellos impaling Seigram. This echelon of Mazoku don't need to be material to strike you, since they can attack your astral form directly without leaving the Astral Plane.
 
It's different from Servants who can only attack when they are material. When they shift completely astral, they are incapable of attacking each other or affecting the physical world. However, Mazoku can attack astral forms even in the Astral plane. Servants can't. It's like their form of a "Time Out".

Raw power isn't just the major issue with Gil taking out Xellos. Xellos has demonstrated no resistance to the various magical effects of the Noble Phantasms in Gate of Babylon, which would allow Gil to bypass Xellos' durability to screw up the Mazoku rather badly. And I wouldn't argue raw power being in Xellos' favor either as the highest outputs of Ea's power would flat out life-wipe an entire planet and can destroy dimensions.

You'd have to prove the effect of each and every weapon and prove they can even hit Xellos while he's in the astral plane. As of yet, no one has even attempted to prove such, simply claiming the hax of the move as evidence enough, when it clearly isn't. I see a lot of claims with no evidence to back it.
 
And if people were so sure of Gil's power, they'd have pit'im against someone like Gaav or Phibrizzo or Shabaranigdo...oh wait, he couldn't. Gaav has busted a dimension and Phiby cam kill with a finger snap, and Shab? Well, Universe-Buster who could've actually blocked the Giga-Slave.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

@EraserCannon

Archer's Hrunting which traversed 4km in less than a second was calced at mach 15.

Actually under Mach 12.

Saber destroyed Hrunting.

This gives Saber mach 15 speed.

 Which would only mean she can react around Mach 12.

She tripled her speed with Prana Burst when she went on to attack Lancer, and Lancer reacted to it, quite casually I might add.

It would have to specify movement or reaction speed. Far as I can tell that was so she could run faster, not hit faster. I'm sure people can dig up clips of the scenes.

Word of God also says that if Gil wished, he could finish the Holy Grail War in a single night. This also implies that he has the speed comparable to other servants, if not higher.

Actually it implies he has more power than the other servants and should be capable of killing them all easily. Which he kinda did in the animated versions with just using Gate of Babylon, which really didn't require any speed on his part. He just spammed attacks until they died. Of course in all the series he still ends up being defeated.
 
@Dream said:

@ReiKai: The physical form that Mazoku project in the world of Slayers is actually a type of illusion to represent themselves in the physical plane, making them not much different from Heroic Spirits in that attacks affecting the physical plane can't harm them and high levels of magic or powerful conceptual weapons are needed to harm them. Both Mazoku and Heroic Spirits exist on the astral plane and only require their physical forms to represent their existence to those living on the physical plane.

Except Heroic Spirits can't fight unless they project themselves physically. Mazoku do not have this issue. Xellos actually showed this when he impaled Seigram with his staff even though Xellos hadn't physically appeared in the material plane until after he'd struck, and then vanished again before Seigram was hit with Lina's Augmented Dragonslave.
 
Gaav did the same thing to Xellos later on by nearly cutting him in half before he even appeared physically, and even Xellos was caught completely off guard by Gaav's attack. This is a lot of clips of Xellos kinda getting knocked around, most of which is comedic. Around 3:43 is when they show him get ripped open by Gaav.
  
  Things in the Slayers novels happen much quicker, and we also know from them that when using magic, the caster is automatically protected by a barrier near equal in strength to the spell they are casting. Xellos' main advantage is that he can teleport rapidly between the physical and astral plane. Teleportation is nigh-instantaneous. Xellos can also still attack while in the Astral plane, as he did to both Seigram and Valgaav in the anime.
 
Of course it would be nice to know if Xellos got to keep Galveira, the Darkstar Weapon also known as the Bow of Light. Which was the most powerful of the five weapons. Though he did give it to Lina in that last fight with Darkstar and then Sirius took them back to the Overworld. So I guess he won't have it.
 
Though I guess that's another thing in Slayers. City and mountain busters are the norm. A city-level attack won't even scratch Xellos' shields and the Ra Tilt is brushed aside by just about every high-level Mazoku. It's possible Gil may be faster, but he doesn't have the raw power to take on Xellos. Gold and Black dragons are capable of blasting cities. Thousands of them were killed effortlessly by Xellos in a single move.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

When Servants go astral, they can't hurt each other or anyone else for that matter. Their abilities can only affect things and other people when they have materialized into a physical form. Xellos doesn't need to do this. He can remain in the Astral Plane and strike at your astral form there without materializing.  Gil has to assume a physical form to attack Xellos, however Xellos can remain Astral and attack Gil without worry of reprisal.
 
And I would like to see all the evidence of the supposed "Mach 45"
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

Upper-level Mazoku can't even be scratched by a Dragonslave spell. They have barriers to protect themselves. Also, Xellos is fast. His speed is also augmented by his rapid teleportation between the physical and astral planes. 
 
Effectively, Gil can't even hit'im unless Xellos lets him. On the other hand, Xellos can surprise backstab him the entire time by attacking him from the Astral Plane, which Xellos has done to other Mazoku before fully materializing. It was Xello's specialty. The only one who beat him at doing that was Gaav, and that was due to Gaav being vastly more powerful.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Adam Blade Vs Black Star & Tsubaki

@DBZ_universe said:

Black star is more manly. He showed that he can still stand up even after having his back broken by Kishin....that is what a true man does lol.

Blade had a hole blasted through his chest cavity and out his back the size of a watermelon. And still came back to fight. And could still enjoy the panty shots with enthusiasm. That, dear sir or madam, is unfathomable Manliness.
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Battles » Adam Blade Vs Black Star & Tsubaki

Adam Blade's Manliness wins.
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Battles » Name One Character Who Can Beat Lord Of Nightmares?!?

You'd have to look at Nabeshin, Mokona (Rayearth), and other figures equal to TOAA. There's no beating them, they just tie out.
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