ReiKai (Level 9)

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Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Franklin Richards vs Z

@Dream: When you're at universe/multiverse level of power, you're considered nigh-omnipotent. 2 LHW has Zetto at universal level, he has 5 altogether. Either way it's another pointless debate.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Franklin Richards vs Z

LHW negates Reality Warping and Zetto blitz-erases him from existence. Btw Omnipotent/Nigh-Omnipotent threads are prohibited.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

If people wanted to put so much stock on Character Statements, then here's one from Birus; "This stuff you call 'Ki' doesn't seem to work on gods, does it?" This he says to Vegeta after bitchslapping SS3 Goku. If we took that at face value, it'd mean everyone automatically loses because he's immune to Ki.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@taichokage: Which proves nothing because GT doesn't even follow the Z story nor incorporates the same abilities. The entire scene was pure PIS. Nvm that Goku never actually beat them. They got frozen in ice because for some reason they don't have body beat while in Hell. Nvm that he, again, got trounced by the Para Para Bros who used Sound to trap them. You can disapprove as much as you like, but the fact remains, the entire GT cast is horribly weak.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@IndridCold: It never said Goku was stronger and actually noted he was weaker because he was reduced to the body of a Child and was incapable of making use of his full strength because of this and even said so when he tried using SS3 against Baby Vegeta and found that his abilities hadn't increased at all because his body was too under-developed to make use of it.
 
So once again, everything points to him being weaker. And by all accounts, Freeza would kill Pan and several of the Shadow Dragons.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@IndridCold: Except that every shred of evidence proves that the GT cast are Not Stronger than their DBZ counterparts.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@taichokage: Goku's best feats are actually from the Movies, not GT. Absorbing a Genki-Dama, defeating a Giant Fear Monster that backhanded Mystic Gohan, and of course the new Canon Movie special Battle of Gods where he faces off with a God who can drain the force of an entire Galaxy.
 
Don't try to pull this BS card with me. GT is non-canon and weak compared to the original series. It's a fact. Goku says Rildo is Buu level and Pan knocks him around. Honestly, Pan should not be capable of hurting any of the bad guys in any way without going SSJ, something she can never do because of the shit writing job. Pan also killed a Shadow Dragon fairly easily, which would show even the SD's are ridiculously weak.
 
btw the Shadow Dragons were kinda bullshit. Nvm that the Blackstar Dragon make them look like toddlers, given it could actually recreate a planet that was obliterated more than 50yrs earlier, when as we know early restrictions on Shenron kept it from reviving people who died more than a year earlier. Which, btw, all restrictions on the Dragons powers are imprinted on them by the DB creator. Which would mean The Namek (Kami and Piccolo as one being before splitting) had created the most powerful set of DB in existence. Of course with the worst drawback possible, being it'd destroy the planet they were used on. And that is another reason why GT is so much fail.
 
If you counted that then after Kami forced his darkside out and made Piccolo the BS Balls lose their power and Kami needed to create a new Set, and why make an entirely new dragon with the Same Image as the last one when you can, oh I don't know...use the Same Model and balls as before, thus eliminating the BS balls from existence entirely. Which would never resurface since Dende would use the same set to respawn Shenron.
 
Again, showing the inconsistency and piss poor writing job that was GT.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@DBZ_universe: King Piccolo nuked a city even. That's how poor GT is.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@danzi97: And again, Character Statements are Meaningless. If that is all you have to rely on then you have no evidence. Given the poor writing job and the fact the team wasn't even the same as those working on the original series with no consultation of Toriyama beyond Character Designs, everything in GT is weak and useless. Or need we remind you of Goku and co getting slapped around by the Para Para brothers who use Music as a weapon?
 
Also there were further numbers after the Freeza Saga, they were producted by V-Jump (Viz Media), as well as Funimation/Bandai and those who all own a piece of the franchise. Which is why the numbers differ in some instances because they don't collaborate with each other. However, so long as Toriyama doesn't come out and say they're wrong, they are all technically Official.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@chrono122: Misstatement by V-Jump. They have conflicting figures. 2.5billion was Teen Gohan's PL as a SSJ in the Cell Games. Goku's as a FPSSJ was 3billion. Early figures years earlier during the first release of the Buu saga had Gogeta's estimates in the 2trillion range. It was an overhyped figure.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@taichokage: Character Statements don't mean anything. GT also doesn't follow the same lines, principles and logic as DBZ. Especially when you have a cameo of Cooler when all the villains escaped from Hell with the 2nd #17. The writers had no idea what they were doing and just pulled badguy names out of a hat.
 
As I've said, I did the research and ran the numbers. The highest placement of Omega Shenron's power was 9billion. That's it. Goku as a SS3 in the Buu Saga was 24billion. That would mean for SS4 Goku to be getting his ass kicked around by OS, he'd have to be significantly weaker than his DBZ Counterpart.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@danzi97: Not how it works. GT is non-canon and bears no connection to the Original series besides namesake. Numbers place the GT cast as vastly weaker than the DBZ cast. Can't assume Time Skip makes them stronger with no indication of this and, in fact, all indications point to them being a shitton weaker than they had been. I've already run the numbers. GT Goku is at least 48x Weaker than Buu Saga Goku.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Goku ( End of Dbgt ) Vs Birusu

@xlab3000 said:

Didn't Goku still have the ssjg power at the end of the movie with that and the various timeskips he should stomp Bills.

Don't be dense. GT is non-canon and SSG doesn't exist in the GT series. Numbers also prove the GT cast is vastly weaker than their DBZ selves. 
 
@taichokage said:
That I don't know, however, he would likely have been at least stronger than Omega Shenron in base since he absorbed his entire source of power plus his own on too of that.
Meaningless. The Shadow Dragons power came from Negative energy created by the wishes granted. The Dragon Balls at the end were Purified, that means there is no actual power left from the Shadow Dragons nor would Goku acquire them. Fans speculated Goku becoming a god in the future, which is irrelevant since he was already a God thanks to the recent movie, which has thrice proven the fact that GT is non-canon and never will be.
 
Nvm Word of God states the Twelve Gods of Destruction all being Universe-busters when at full strength, Birus openly stated he wasn't at his full power and needed to hibernate longer.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe: The whole color change bit when he goes Legendary is really just a side-effect of his energy permeating the atmosphere. It's not like we haven't seen the like before. Like when the Dragon gets summoned, things go dark. Or when Goku first went SSJ and there was a lightning storm and from a distance the area where Goku was got brighter. Or the time in the anime Vegeta went SSJ after getting his ass kicked by #18 and his energy pushed away the sky clear enough you could see space. it's just stuff like that.
 
As for Brolly drawing from living things, I would say he does. At least things that are either not sentient or have the presence of mind not to guard themselves. Remember, Ki is Life Force. Brolly's presence caused a drought in that region that lasted until he was gone. Plants and animals alike died off. It's kinda like with the Tree of Might, except on a smaller scale and over a longer period of time. When he's Awake and Transformed he probably draws on larger more ambient sources of energy, like the sun. When he's asleep or unconscious he may only require much smaller pools to siphon, like the landscape. Of course this is more of a subconscious reaction when he's injured as opposed to something he can consciously control.
 
So it's not like he's Dr Gero and can just absorb energy outright. It's more gradual and automatic. It's not entirely unlike Majin Buu in that case. There was an instance with Mystic Buu when he created a giant energy sphere he claimed was comprised of all the remaining energy he had collected from the planets he destroyed. It's something like that. Brolly may very well be taking a small portion of the energy of everything he's ever destroyed or whatever remains of it that floats in the universe as cosmic rays. When you think too deeply, it starts to get really technical and confusing.
 
But basically, if we included the game event where Brolly survives being blasted into the Sun, his survival of that event can be attributed to this ability. That what he did, while Unconscious, was absorb the ambient energy the sun radiated to sustain his own life force and recuperate from his injuries. It seems more of an automatic reaction his body itself performs for self-preservation.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Bardock vs Nappa

Let's just watch this and enjoy.
  
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe: Healing yes, but not like regeneration or anything like that or as potent as Dende's Healing's powers. It's enough to keep him alive and, as indicated, allowed him to recover despite the fact he was frozen in ice, which should've brought all of his biological functions to a halt (and killed him). He basically fed on the Ki or Life Force of the land to sustain his life and heal from his stomach wound, without requiring sustenance or air. He was basically in hibernation for 7yrs.
 
These are the kinds of little things that often escape notice at first. But this ability to absorb ki from his surroundings can effectively explain why his Ki rises without limit and why his stamina seems limitless because of it. You could almost call him a Living Spirit Bomb. Recall, the Genki-Dama can draw Ki from the Sun as well. It can be surmised that while Brolly is asleep or unconscious, he only draws energy from his immediate vicinity. When he's awake in his Legendary form, he may be drawing on the Ki from sources much further off, which may be what enables him to maintain his Legendary status for as long as he wants.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe: That's a probability. However his ability to draw in ki from his surroundings is also why Brolly is able to recover so quickly and why he didn't die as a baby.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe: He didn't tank a blast. He received a zenkai as an infant after King Vegeta tried to have him killed. As the planet was being destroyed by Freeza, Brolly had managed to gather power with his rage and shield both himself and Paragus, lifting them off planet before it exploded, and it did safeguard them from the shockwave and carry them to a habitable world. The distance traveled is never stated.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe said:

@ReiKai: But wouldn't that make him weaker than SSJ3? who is not even close to Galaxy busting but Star only. That is why I think Broly would be more in the Trillions.

Brolly doesn't follow the series canon anyway. They can't exactly use his feats in the Main Canon anyway. So Brolly has the greatest destruction feat in DBZ history. Also need to remember Brolly is far beyond the norm anyway and draws ki from his surroundings. That's what happened in Movie 10 while he was frozen. He subconsciously siphoned the ki from the surrounding area while he was frozen in the ice to keep himself alive and recover from his injuries. That's what cause the drought that plagued the region for the last 7yrs.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Battles » Omega Shenron vs Bills

@DBZ_universe said:

@ReiKai: that makes sense.Thanks for explaining me that. Tho I doubt Broly would be 7.4 billion.

Considering that at the time of the Cell games it listed Gohan at 2.5billion as A Super Saiyan and Goku asa FPSSJ was 3billion, then Brolly being 7.4billion is quite accurate considering he was beating the crap out of the whole team effortlessly.
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