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Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Z Fighters vs Z

You don't get it. Stop your retarded claims. Z can nullify all their attacks effortlessly. Not only can Z effortlessly rip worlds apart, he can restore them as well under his own power. Z is a semi-omnipotent person due to the LHW. You know nothing of Tenchi Muyo. Don't both continuing your lame bullshit here. DBZ can't take on Cosmic users and Z (aka Zeto) is above them. Z can just erase them. No arguments, no defenses, no nothing. They're dead. Period.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Z Fighters vs Z

Look. It would've taken universe-leveling power from Tokimi, a Multiversal deity who would destroy/create the Multiverse on a whim, to kill a weakened Z who'd been lowered down to 2 LHW at best, having spent 3 to negate Tenchi's LHW. You could put the whole DBZ-verse together and not get that kinda power. Z is also effectively proven FTL with over 1060xlightspeed. DBZ has no defense against LHW and it will kill/erase them all in one stroke.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

Again, like I said, Plot-Devices. Without those things they all would've been killed easily by Brolly. The Power Goku received in Movie 8 has been argued and estimated to place him over SS2 levels of power, given he was at the Full-Power stage of a Super Saiyan, aka FPSSJ or USSJ (Ultra Super Saiyan). As were Vegeta and Trunks and Gohan himself was approaching that level, plus a Super Namek (Piccolo). All of their power combined with Goku still didn't make any difference until Vegeta's was added (implying it was his fusion of energy with Goku's that created a tremendous power boost). And even then, all Goku managed to do was injure Brolly in a place he had already been stabbed through once as an infant.
 

Trunks' blast i Movie 10 should've done absolutely nothing to disrupt the flow of energy between Brolly and his attack, however the writers -had- to use something, otherwise Brolly would've overwhelmed the Trio (SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SS1 Gotenks) and destroyed the planet. The combined forces would've well exceeded a shot from an SS3 level person and it always took a combined effort to take on Brolly. Which was why, as I have said before, the idea and impression that it would take someone like Gogeta (or Vegito) to take on Brolly seems appropriate, because of Brolly's endlessly increasing power and the fact his durability alone puts the entire DBZ-verses to shame.
 
For example, the same attack from Goku that blew half of Cell's body away and took a huge chunk out of his PL, didn't so much as blemish Brolly's godlike pecs. Brolly's durability is on the level of a plot-device. Even in Movie 10 when Goten and Trunks were blasting him, hitting him and throwing everything they had at him at point-blank range, and Brolly was just in SS1 state after 7yrs on ice and is really just stretching out and warming up, they couldn't hurt him at all and just laughed off all of their efforts and smacked'em around like nobodies business.
 
Also, the final nail in the DBZ'ers coffin comes from the fact Brolly literally shattered a galaxy (at the very least unleashed a multi-system leveling blast) while in a de-powered form. With the control circlet on he couldn't even achieve a FPSSJ state, much less press into LSSJ. Cause if he had, Brolly woulda killed Paragus and everyone else without hesitation. So even if you believed SS3 Goku could win just because he's a SS3, it doesn't make much difference as Brolly remains the only DBZ character, movie-wise or not, to actually possess a Destruction feat on the level of Galaxy-busting. No other character in the whole DBZ-multiverse is capable of unleashing that level of force.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

I never said the Budokai opening is canon. I said it was a reasonable means of showing how powerful Brolly actually is. In both movies involving Brolly (the real one), a plot-device had been used to beat him. With Budokai and Tenkaichi 3 it depicts SS Gogeta having to face him down, which is a reasonable assumption of Brolly's strength and what it would take to beat him realistically instead of some retarded last-minute plot-device. And I already explained GT is non-canon. Frankly, every DBZ fan knows GT is non-canon. It's common knowledge.
 
Rildo is not stronger than Buu. He lacks feats and Buu is not universe-buster. I've already proven you wrong and fanwanked, fanlated scans don't prove you right, they show just how pathetic and wrong you are.
 
 

Wow, this is feeling as heated as when I took on DBZ fanboys in the Z Fighters vs Z thread from a while back. XD

Z would rape DBZ-verse. Period. It should never have even been discussed.
 
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

It wasn't 2nd coming. I was end of Bio-Brolly which was a horrible piece of garbage, and there is no "obvious succeeding" in it since all of the movies don't follow the same story, and it especially doesn't mean anything for Otherworld to be intact in the series when the Movies are non-canon and not linked to the series storyline.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

GT is non-canon and aside from namesake has no direct link to DBZ. Toriyama himself said as much and incidentally created a movie that effectively cuts it off from his series canon. Also, just because it's a continuation doesn't mean shit because it's poorly done and the characters never portrayed anything that would actually put them beyond their DBZ counterparts.
 
For one, Gohan went Super Saiyan during the Baby incident. Meaning he lost his Mystic power up. Later, during the whole deal with the Shadow Dragons, Vegeta was struggling in a grav machine around 100x gravity, something he should have no problems with whatsoever as he complete 450x gravity back before the Androids even arrived and before even going Super Saiyan. Basically, it showed that Vegeta was far weaker than he used to be. And the same goes for everyone else. Piccolo got one-shotted by Baby-Gohan and then spent time later in hell smacking around fodder.
 
Not only this, Goku being turned into a kid also weaked him because his body isn't mature enough and capable of using the full scope of his strength. Which was why he couldn't sustain SS3. Not only that, but his SS3 form, even with the tail, was not much better than SS1. You fail to see how absurdly pathetic they all got. Especially against those dancing moronic brothers who stopped them with Musical Hypnosis. Music is sound, it travels at the speed of sound. They used a freakin boombox to control the Z-crew who should be thousands of times faster than sound.
 
All of GT is a load of inconsistent, boring bullshit. Their only good idea was SS4 and they couldn't even flush it out properly. Your fail. Both of you.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

You're not getting it. You can't even understand how completely incorrect you are. You can't even understand that GT is weaker than DBZ. You continue to fail at everything yet cannot do anymore more than cling to nonsense. There's really no point in arguing with you since you have No Argument. It's time the sign was put up so that you clearly get the message.
 
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

Actually, you don't know the ssj multipliers. I've seen those figures before, and they're all complete bullshit. And it's already basic fact they can't actually breathe in space so there's no reason to even debate it. Your argument has been, and always will be, total bunk. It's meaningless. Omega Shenron is, at the very best, a system-level threat. No more. SS4 Gogeta being stronger than him is still meaningless. They have no defense against Darh's spells, his time/space warping, his galaxy-nuking powers and abilities, and certainly nothing that can overcome his millions of shields nor his regenerative abilities that make Cell and Buu blush with envy.
 
Darsh has revived the dead and completely healed people on the fly, regrowing entire limbs on them even at his weakest points. It took their group using enough power to equate the Big Bang, just to break the seal on Hell so Darsh could escape. You know what that is, right? Universe-busting Force. Darsh is confirmed galaxy-buster and has taken on worse. No one, not a thing in DBZ/GT or the movies that isn't Brolly, even approaches that level of power. None of your bullshit and fanwanked statements will change that either. And btw, how do  you propose any of those pathetic GT fags will deal with Satan when his body literally obliterates them from just moving with an incalculable mass exceeding hundreds of millions of lightyears in sheer scale?
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

Bardock was still within the atmosphere and within range of Freeza's craft which produces an atmospheric field for his soldiers. Dragonball had minor toonforcing in it and that was only a few seconds, hardly enough time to suffocate in space and also since those guys continue to live on the moon (until roshi blows it up) it can be said there's an atmosphere there (given DBZ Earth =/= Real Earth). As for Gotenks, he completed the rounds in one breath then took nap on the Earth. You don't ever see a DBZ'er outside of Freeza, Cell and Buu surviving in space, because they can't breathe in it. Freeza says as much about Goku when he threatened to blow up planet Namek. Or did you conviniently forget that little tidbit?
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

Actually, technically Darsh is Lucifer. Dark Schneider got reincarnated into the body of Luche (who was, in fact, the reincarnation of Lucifer Morningstar). Also, Doc Strange is below Darshe and Mephisto is only a threat in his own dimension. Mentioning comic chars doesn't make you sound more right, it makes you sound ridiculous, especially given all the people you're naming could effing fistrape the whole DBZ-verse (Strange would just pull out a DEM).
 
You should really just stop. Nothing from DBZ can get passed his shields, nor hurt him, never mind any attempts to kill him. Genkidama gets snuffed out, speedblitzing is out of the question when the guy can move that fast as well and go across the universe and space where these two simply can't go because they can't breathe in space. You can't prove any of the crap you spout and you continue to repeat the same bullshit over and over again without anything substantial to back it. You have no argument. You're running on pure fanboyism. DBZ loses here. Badly. Get over it.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

My god, you know nothing, do you? Dispel Bound can distort the very laws of the universe. For one, Darsh's shields will block every attack they throw at him. In fact, he won't even notice them because they're so weak. Kienzan is Destructo Disc. It doesn't erase, it cuts, and it won't do shit to him because it won't ever hit him. Instant Transmissions is crap against a guy who can teleport. And no, stop making up shit. SS4 Gogeta =/= 'Universe' Genkidama, which is still not universe-busting or anything remotely close to it. It didn't even destroy the planet. Omega Shenron was Negative energy. The Genkidama is positive energy. The two forces basically nullified each other. It does not make it universal, not in any way. And SS3 Goku is not 400x base level. It's a complete bullshit statement. His '100x stronger' as a Super Saiyan is a complete and utter lie, nothing more than a horrible translation error. Goku is only 3-4x stronger when he goes Super Saiyan. No More.
 
You're making this too sad to even listen to. And SOK has nothing to do with this, not at all. Never mind that Preacher-verse is so full of plot-holes and inconsistencies that SoK's abilities can't even be properly quantified. With Dispel Bound, Darsh can remove the very Concept of losing. Meaning: He Can't Lose. Period. The only counter to his is someone else with Dispel Bound, and frankly the whole DBZ-verse lacks anything that could even remotely compare. Darsh has all but 1 piece of the Judas Pain. You can't argue things properly. You spout nonsense and lies. The whole DBZ-verse gets absolutely fistraped by Darsh. Hell, Satan kills them all by just moving.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

You're the only embarrassment here. You do nothing but use bullshit lines, character statements and garbage inconclusive and undefinable feats to try and say these guys are universe-level when really they're not even multi-system level. GT is fundamentally weaker than DBZ.
 
Here's a little fun fact. Anslasax (aka Anthrax) was continent level in BASTARD to begin with. He's a dominion level demon. The High-Demons that Darsh start beating on when he went to Hell, before using the Judas Pain and long before his Majin status, were 6000x more powerful than Anthrax, as a base level. They don't need to cast spells, because they can use them with thought. No need for incantations or some bullshit like that. And Darsh learned to do this as well. He can cast spells with thought. So unlike DBZ'ers, he has no charge/cast time for his moves. Another fun fact is Satan claiming that he cannot beat Dark Schneider. And ya wanna know somethin? Satan's true body is so massive he's growing out of a fucking galaxy.
 
 
That would be Satan, if you couldn't figure that out already. Darsh has already taken out Michael, who's an FTL'ing galaxy buster and Uriel who was stated as having enough power to obliterate 14 galaxies. And given the DBZ-verse only consists of 4 Galaxies, that would mean Darsh is dealing with people who can destroy the whole DBZ-verse several times over.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

Again, character statements like that mean jack shit. They say the same thing about every villain so it can't be taken literally. And your universal Spirit Bomb is complete and utter bullshit, not to mention non-canon material that has nothing to do with this at all, which can't be done while in fusioned state so it's not even something Gogeta could even do. Darsh being the Destroyer of the Universe is actually set like that. He is the Adam of Darkness. It's his very role and one God cannot directly interfere with, not at least until he sees if the Adam of Light can beat Dark Schneider.
 
Everything you've said has been nothing but crap and it's enough to make even true DBZ fans turn away in shame. Everyone else here knows that Darsh completely rapes the whole DBZ-verse without question. And he'll do it figuratively and literally (he will provide sexual education for all needy lovely females).
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

Elder Kai' statements are bogus and can't be taken literally. Also, using poorly translated fan pages is not the way to make an argument.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

You're using non-canon sources to try and provide evidence for what is effectively the same guy? Ridiculous. GT is non-canon and fail. Mystic Buu was making cracks in dimensions, sure, but that's absolutely nothing compared to what Darsh can do, which involves taking on multi-galaxy busters. He has spells that rend time/space as a basic factor and used a bloody fire spell to beat a Fire Elemental. Janemba's presence was tied to the Check-in station itself which allowed him to do this, which in itself is not all that impressive given anyone with a freakin teleportation move can go between Heaven/Hell/Otherworld and the rest of the universe all they want. It's not impressive and doesn't even rank up to the basic shit Darsh does.
 
Also, just because Janemba could do it due to his specific nature, does not mean Gogeta could do it as well. You don't have the faintest clue at how absurdly powerful Dark Schneider is or how absurdly outmatched Vegito and Gogeta are. None of them can even remotely be considered galaxy-busting and the Only figure in the whole DBZ series capable of such a feat is Brolly and his movies are non-canon so his feats cannot be included. Your whole argument is nothing but a bunch of garbage, crap we've already gone over before and thrown out because of how pathetic it was.
 
As far as the BASTARD!!-verse is concerned the only two beings in existence who could destroy Darsh is his anti-self, the Adam of Light, or GOD Himself. Battles in BASTARD literally transcend galaxies and take place with legitimate FTL speeds and powers. Neither Gogeta nor Vegito can begin to comprehend the kinda power Darsh can throw out. Especially considering he can mindfuck them and/or simply destroy their very souls, pretty much negating ever going to Otherworld altogether since they won't exist anymore. Never mind that Gogeta will last 30min at best due to Fusion and Darsh could just as well separate Vegito back into Goku and Vegeta, as easily as it occured within Buu's magic-based body.
 
No matter how you try to look at it, not only do these two not have the power to hurt Dark Schneider, but they get completely and utterly stomped by him.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

Darsh has millions of protective magical shields that automatically regenerate themselves. DBZ-verse gets raped utterly.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider Vs Gogeta and Vegetto

....wtf are you talking about? Darsh kills them both easily. End of discussion.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Superman (S/D) vs. Hulk (Planet Hulk)

Freezing didn't stop Dday, and Hulk was getting blasted up with laser weapons and the plasma/fire in the Eggbreaker's body after jumping inside it. His heat-vision wouldn't do much more to Hulk than it did to Dday. Nevermind that he got blasted with more weapons and flamethrowers by the Red King in their final confrontation and Hulk Thunderclapped his ass.
 
The reason why they changed SS to Bill was because of the limited timeframe for the movie. They wanted to do a mini-series of Planet Hulk, which would allow them to expand things and explain things more. But they couldn't do that and they needed someone to battle Hulk whom they could explain being there in Sakaar. They didn't have the time to do that with Silver Surfer, so they replaced him with Beta Ray Bill, whom could reasonably have been there after chasing the Krog from Earth after the scuffle with Thor. Creative liscensing allowed them to do this, despite BRB not having been there when the Krog fought with Thor in the original comics. There was a lot of things they wanted to do with Planet Hulk that they just couldn't do due to the time-constraints of the movie.
 
Regardless, BRB taking over for Silver Surfer isn't so big of a deal. Bill is usually a touch under Thor in terms of sheer power and Thor (base level) has always been around Surfer's level, so it's not really a huge change or difference. Hell you say what Bill did with Stormbreaker; threw that thing which ripped through all, what, 100+ feet of solid stone to make that opening? And Hulk took a shot like that from Bill right to the face at close range.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Mihawk (One Piece) vs Kenpachi (Bleach)

Based on feats, Mihawk has almost nothing to offer. And Kenpachi is the only Captain of the Gotei 13 who doesn't possess a Shikai or Bankai. He gained his Captainship by defeating and killing the former Squad 11 Captain through sheer strength and skill. The basic requirement to become a Captain is to have their Bankai release and be approved by 4 other Captains or up to 200 or more Squad Members. Kenpachi did neither of those things. Without a shikai or Bankai release for his sword he took down a Captain and took his position, then as we see he's fully capable of fighting other Captains and taking their attacks handily without any effort.
 
It's like this. Bankai increases the users spirit force anywhere between 5 and 10x. Kenpachi, without Bankai, has enough reiatsu (aka spirit force) to contend with and take down Bankai users. Now, we've seen Whitebeard and Shanks part the sky with their fighting presence when near each other. Well, Kenpachi pierces the atmosphere with his reiatsu by just removing his freakin eyepatch. 
 
It's really already been decided. Mihawk lacks enough feats and appearances to really gauge his abilities. So until you can get more for him, Kenpachi is going to win.
Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Superman (S/D) vs. Hulk (Planet Hulk)

Had Doomsday not succumbed to PIS and kept turning away from Superman every other minute he would've killed Supes. You also have not seen Planet Hulk.
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