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Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

The idea that SS3 Goku is that far up the rankings is rather ridicuous. SS2 Vegeta could hold his own against Kid Buu for a while and still get his ass kicked and SS3 Goku only managed to about equal him, but was still losing because he couldn't put anything out with enough force to overcome Buu's regen (that whole line about going easy so Vegeta could have a shot is pure bull). None of what you have said or done, or anyone has said for that matter, would indicate that SS3 Goku would be above Brolly, who remains the Only (meaning Just Himself) character to have ever destroyed a galaxy. No matter what you claim for SS3 Goku, Brolly is the Only one with that destructive feat. No one else even compares.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Pyron vs. Dark Schneider

Pyron's not even that good. Darsh rapes.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Brolly and Super Perfect Cell Vs Fat Buu

Never mind that it wasn't even the attack itself that 'killed' him, it was getting blasted through the core of the freakin Sun.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Cyttorak vs Dark Schneider

Does who have any? I'm sure Cyttorak has something and Darsh has....craploads of things he can actually do and use. And actually the "omnipotent inside own realm" bit isn't exactly correct. The same has been said about Mephisto and Doc Strange has still been able to get in, jack people out and leave without Mephy being able to stop him.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Superman (S/D) vs. Hulk (Planet Hulk)

Hulk is far from being a perfect Hero and Supes is far from being unbeatable. Supes either fights people too weak to be a problem or if they're strong they suffer massive PIS/CIS that enables Supes to come out victorious. It's why I avoid Comic discussions with him whenever possible. I'm only going by the versions of these characters that I have specifically pointed out. No more than what they have shown in those forms is allowable.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

You're just repeating the same garbage that has already been disproven.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

 
  
Any time they 'beat' Brolly it was Deus Ex Machina. Not wanting to know doesn't negate this basic fact. Without DEM, they fail, badly.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Brolly and Super Perfect Cell Vs Fat Buu

Brolly was going to kill them all, then plot-device Piccolo shows up in ship that was DEM'd into moving thousands of times faster than normal in order to get there on time, with Senzu beans, save Gohan, revive the whole cast, and then fight again only to have their asses handed to them again. It's not so much Brolly's arrogance as PIS/CIS preventing him from outright murdering them.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Superman (S/D) vs. Hulk (Planet Hulk)

He didn't really. It has nothing to do with whether or not there's a yellow sun. That has nothing to do with the debate and it's irksome that someone would try to sneak in an argument that would suggest Hulk could only win if somehow DCAU Superman was weakened by something.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Brolly and Super Perfect Cell Vs Fat Buu

GT is fail and will always be fail and nothing from that series could ever be countered in the top 5 of anything, except top 5 shittiest extensions of a series, right up there with every Pokemon series they tossed out. Fat Buu is of no real challenge for Brolly. Cell is not even required.
 
Ultimate truth, right here.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

Useless point that I have already covered. Brolly was easily overpowering SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SS1 Goten. So, yes Brolly would effing rape SS2 Goku easily. What part of this have you not understood?
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

Essentially, it's as I've already said; Brolly was overpowering the combined assault of SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SS1 Goten. Nothing changes this basic fact.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

I'm not your friend, and again you're still trying to use the Manga when it's the Anime that the Movies are based from. As I've said, Gohan did not go SS2 during the tournament in the anime. Do you really need to see it? about 9min in.
 
                
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

Again, using the Manga for trying to disclaim an appearance in the movie isn't going to work regardless of the creator as Toriyama was also responsible for making the DBZ anime as well. And in that Gohan went SS2 to try and destroy Buu before he emerged from the Ball and Shin (Supreme Kai) stated as much himself, and it was shown that Gohan didn't have the energy surging around him as he once had. As I explained as a result of his not having trained. He was weaker but no less a SS2 and it was how he appeared in Movie 10 when facing Brolly, considering there was no reason for him to hold back against an opponent who had single-handedly bitchslapped the entire group of Z-fighters effortlessly.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

Your argument has too many flaws in it. For one, Goku can't use IT that fast. Regardless of distance he still has to concentrate on it. Two, Brolly can smack up a barrier faster than Goku can think and strong enough to fling his ass aside like a pebble. And once more you continue to bring up plot-deviced moments created for the specific purpose of allowing the Heroes to beat him. That's not in effect here. There is no CIS or PIS or Plot-Protection or DEM to save Goku from being ripped apart by Brolly.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

No, Goku doesn't use IT instantly and definitely not all the time. He used it once when returning to Earth during the Trunks episodes to show off what he could do, then did it a few times Pre-Cell games to first save Tien, then go to King Kai's place to ask advice on where to find the Nameks, and had to go from there to New Namek to get Dende, and do the same thing on the way back (return to King Kai then use IT from there to get back to Earth) and during each one he had to take time to sense a location, lock onto it and then transport himself. Nothing was done instantaneously. Against Cell, he had to first charge the attack, then Hold it while locking onto Cell and then using IT to appear below him to unleash the attack. Again, at no point was any of that done instantly. It still required him sensing a target/person/place, homing in on it and then transporting.
 
Also, he would have to, in fact, lock on for it to work properly, otherwise Goku will just be appearing randomly across the area simply because he felt Brolly's chi, just as he did in the movie when he kept appearing on worlds that'd been wrecked by Brolly and still resonated with his chi. In all of this, nothing was done instantly and he always required sensing, locking on, and then actually using the technique. Without a sensable target or object/place with a strong enough signature for him to home in on, Goku would just randomly transport around and would propably end up at the mercy of the universe and wind up out in space and suffocating or sucked into a black hole or something stupid like that.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

You should know that Brolly's actions as a child are not exactly restricted to the South Galaxy. It was never stated that the worlds he attacked and destroyed growing up were within the confines of the South Galaxy. So the claim that the South Galaxies destruction was over the course of many years is a blatant lie since we are shown directly that it occurs in a matter of seconds, the Narrator states the effect, and King Kai picked up on it and almost immediately informed Goku. He didn't sense it, wait 15yrs or so and then tell Goku about it. There's absolutely nothing to support that.
 
As for the images, as far as it went, Gohan didn't go SS2 during the Tournament when Kibito called him out to transform. Not only this, but as depicted in the anime itself, when Gohan went SS2 to destroy the ball that Buu was sealed in, he no longer had the electric current running around him, showing that he had indeed grown weaker but was still a SS2. And considering that the Movies are more based off the Anime than the Manga, Manga scans won't prove or disprove anything, especially not when it concerns a Movie character.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

Uh, no. Both the Japanese subtitles and English dubbing both say the same thing "The South Galaxy has been shattered...by a Super Saiyan". And never minding that, it clearly depicts virtually every star in the whole galaxy utterly vanishing from Brolly's attack. All the rest of the movie proved was there were perhaps a few outlying solar-systems that just barely evaded the range of destruction and most likely at the behest of Paragus since he needed "New Vegeta" and some other planets still there in order to lure Vegeta there with the threat of the "Legendary Super Saiyan" and saying how Vegeta was the only one who could stop him.
 
And, again, Brolly accomplished this with an extremely limited scope of power. Your statements mean absolutely nothing, since as indicated in 2nd Coming, Brolly was overpowering the combined attack of SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SS1 Goten. You should really try reading the rest of the thread before repeating the same broken argument as that other guy.
Post by ReiKai (3,550 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

What you're describing is nothing more than PIS. Brolly can nuke the galaxy. The only reason he doesn't is because the Plot forbids it, because otherwise he'd kill all the Z-fighters instantly as well as any other resistance and the movies/series would end instantly. You repeatedly saying "He can't do it!" doesn't negate the fact he did do it right at the very beginning of Movie 8. It's quite undeniable, considering also, as I've explained, he did it in a de-powered form.
 
Also, stop trying to use other Movie feats to prove something for Goku when he does not get them. Movies are Non-canon for use with Goku. Brolly's are Canon for Brolly only. You continue to try and pull non-canon crap for Goku and then say Brolly can't go SS3 when the Games are just as non-canon as the instances you're describing. In fact, I'd actually say some of the game storylines and "What If" parts are more trustworthy than most of the Movies. So why should anyone listen to your crap when you spout non-canon nonsense to try and prove your point but then say someone else can't use the very same line of reasoning?
 
In fact the only 'canon' movies that could be inducted into the series are; "Dead Zone", "Bardock: Father of Goku", and "History of Trunks." Aside from those three and the new movie done by Toriyama, None of the other DBZ movies fit into the series and thus cannot be used as evidence. The only reason why Brolly's feats are included is because Brolly himself is strictly a Movie Character and thus his abilities are included in full. In the end, Brolly is still the most powerful DBZ character ever made.
 
                
 

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