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Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare
1.It's not a time difference it's a time acceleration, something not given to the previous worlds like SAO and ALO. It's actually accelerating the thought process by this factor. Since this is Kirito with all his abilities from every world, the acceleration counts.
2. Oh did I now? I never "thought" of it.
3. Byork.
4. I'd like you to try and prove it, which I know you can't. Besides, Haseo is KoT. Makes him universe level. All eight Morgana Factors, equal to Aura. As such he has endless regeneration via Magus the Propagation, and can create duplicates of others with Innis, the Mirage of Deceit. Fidchell the Prophet essentially gives precognition.
 
Skeith essentially just kills everything.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: Remember, this is as their selves within the VR world as generated into the real world. As such his speed and reaction is as given to their VR selves. With Kirito, that means super-sonic flight and near Mach 30 reaction speed. Haseo, joined with his Avatar, is...*dramatic pause*...Lightspeed. No misinterpretation. Stated fact in the .hack//G.U. novels. When an Epitaph user engages with their Avatar, they're moving and fighting at lightspeed.
 
As such, Team 2 gets messed over before they even know what's happening.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: Like I made in the op, this is Novel appearances. Their selves in the VR world are controlled by the brain. Speed and reaction are dependent on their thoughts. Project Alicization ramped up the thought processes of all those connected by a factor of 320x. As such his speed and reactions would be that much faster than they were previously. It's not much different than what happened to people in Dot-Hack when they were trapped in the AIDA server. 4min in Real Time was more than 12hrs in the Aida Server. That there is a dilation factor if 180x.
 
Haseo and other Epitaph Users, when joined with their Avatars, accelerate beyond this by a massive degree. Hypersonic would be like standing still to them.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: @phantomrant: Kirito and everyone in the Alicization arc when within the VR world have their mental processes multiplied by a factor of 320x, effectively the world within is moving faster than the real world. Like a form if time dilation. In essence, one day in the Real World is a Year inside the VR world. It's like the Room of Spirit and Time in DBZ. As such Kirito is affected by this time dilation and moves accordingly.
 
Kirito already had around or above peak human speed in SAO, around 70mph. Add in dilation factor multiplied his processes and speed by 320x and that kicks him up to Mach 29. Kirito was actually already super-sonic in flight in Alfheim Online, where he gained Spriggan Wings.
 
Oh and Haseo in full sync with his Avatar, aka Morgana Factor (Skeith), is a lot faster than this by a considerable level.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Thousand Blades: Haseo & Kirito vs Archer & Gilgamesh

The two biggest names in the VR world come together in full form (thanks to the power of Digitization), Haseo the Terror of Death, and Kirito the Elite Black Swordsman. They'll take on two of the biggest contenders in the Holy Grail Wars, two guys who look like they could be brothers; Silver and Gold...I mean, Archer and Gilgamesh.  

Haseo and Kirito have all their abilities from the Novels and special appearances. Archer and Gilgamesh are at the top of their game. Haseo and Kirito can't GM the world. Aside from that, everything works as per normal.
 
Special Round: UBW Archer vs. B-St Haseo
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

@Dream: Creating your own interpretation of events is not a good thing. It's already been made clear in the series that Mazoku can attack directly from the Astral Plane. It's even possible for them to grant limited forms of immortality to humans. 
 
Not only this, but everyone seems to miss the fact that Mazoku have their own form of magic and curses, one of which turns the intended target into an amorpheous mass stuck in an endless loop of death and rebirth as its ever-changing, malignant body continuously consumes itself over and over and over again, and will continue indefinitely until either ended by the Mazoku who used the curse, or rescinded by one of a greater level of power. And the target of the curse can't be killed by normal means and is driven completely insane the moment they've been struck with it.
 
This is what Seigram did in the Novels, and he is several notches in power below Xellos. Not only do we have things like this, but Mid-Level Mazoku who can levitate a landmass large enough to cover the entirety of the White Magic City of Seyruun. An effect Kanzel continued even after his partner was killed, and maintained it even during battle without any effort. This done while he could attack from multiple angles using dimensional rifts, effectively splitting his astral form in order to attack from any direction he pleased.
 
Btw, a surprise Dragonslave couldn't kill Kanzel. It hurt'im, but more ticked him off than anything else. And he's even weaker than Seigram.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

@Fehafare: I calced it myself and the instance was Mach 12, not 15. I go with what I see for myself. And the "Prana Boost" looks like what I expected. She's being Pushed by it, which is Movement speed, not Reaction.
 
@Dream: Yet as it was shown, they weren't even visible in the physical world when their attacks hit. In fact, Gaav didn't even appear until several seconds after Xellos was screaming in pain on the ground. The same was true for Xellos impaling Seigram. This echelon of Mazoku don't need to be material to strike you, since they can attack your astral form directly without leaving the Astral Plane.
 
It's different from Servants who can only attack when they are material. When they shift completely astral, they are incapable of attacking each other or affecting the physical world. However, Mazoku can attack astral forms even in the Astral plane. Servants can't. It's like their form of a "Time Out".

Raw power isn't just the major issue with Gil taking out Xellos. Xellos has demonstrated no resistance to the various magical effects of the Noble Phantasms in Gate of Babylon, which would allow Gil to bypass Xellos' durability to screw up the Mazoku rather badly. And I wouldn't argue raw power being in Xellos' favor either as the highest outputs of Ea's power would flat out life-wipe an entire planet and can destroy dimensions.

You'd have to prove the effect of each and every weapon and prove they can even hit Xellos while he's in the astral plane. As of yet, no one has even attempted to prove such, simply claiming the hax of the move as evidence enough, when it clearly isn't. I see a lot of claims with no evidence to back it.
 
And if people were so sure of Gil's power, they'd have pit'im against someone like Gaav or Phibrizzo or Shabaranigdo...oh wait, he couldn't. Gaav has busted a dimension and Phiby cam kill with a finger snap, and Shab? Well, Universe-Buster who could've actually blocked the Giga-Slave.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

@EraserCannon

Archer's Hrunting which traversed 4km in less than a second was calced at mach 15.

Actually under Mach 12.

Saber destroyed Hrunting.

This gives Saber mach 15 speed.

 Which would only mean she can react around Mach 12.

She tripled her speed with Prana Burst when she went on to attack Lancer, and Lancer reacted to it, quite casually I might add.

It would have to specify movement or reaction speed. Far as I can tell that was so she could run faster, not hit faster. I'm sure people can dig up clips of the scenes.

Word of God also says that if Gil wished, he could finish the Holy Grail War in a single night. This also implies that he has the speed comparable to other servants, if not higher.

Actually it implies he has more power than the other servants and should be capable of killing them all easily. Which he kinda did in the animated versions with just using Gate of Babylon, which really didn't require any speed on his part. He just spammed attacks until they died. Of course in all the series he still ends up being defeated.
 
@Dream said:

@ReiKai: The physical form that Mazoku project in the world of Slayers is actually a type of illusion to represent themselves in the physical plane, making them not much different from Heroic Spirits in that attacks affecting the physical plane can't harm them and high levels of magic or powerful conceptual weapons are needed to harm them. Both Mazoku and Heroic Spirits exist on the astral plane and only require their physical forms to represent their existence to those living on the physical plane.

Except Heroic Spirits can't fight unless they project themselves physically. Mazoku do not have this issue. Xellos actually showed this when he impaled Seigram with his staff even though Xellos hadn't physically appeared in the material plane until after he'd struck, and then vanished again before Seigram was hit with Lina's Augmented Dragonslave.
 
Gaav did the same thing to Xellos later on by nearly cutting him in half before he even appeared physically, and even Xellos was caught completely off guard by Gaav's attack. This is a lot of clips of Xellos kinda getting knocked around, most of which is comedic. Around 3:43 is when they show him get ripped open by Gaav.
  
  Things in the Slayers novels happen much quicker, and we also know from them that when using magic, the caster is automatically protected by a barrier near equal in strength to the spell they are casting. Xellos' main advantage is that he can teleport rapidly between the physical and astral plane. Teleportation is nigh-instantaneous. Xellos can also still attack while in the Astral plane, as he did to both Seigram and Valgaav in the anime.
 
Of course it would be nice to know if Xellos got to keep Galveira, the Darkstar Weapon also known as the Bow of Light. Which was the most powerful of the five weapons. Though he did give it to Lina in that last fight with Darkstar and then Sirius took them back to the Overworld. So I guess he won't have it.
 
Though I guess that's another thing in Slayers. City and mountain busters are the norm. A city-level attack won't even scratch Xellos' shields and the Ra Tilt is brushed aside by just about every high-level Mazoku. It's possible Gil may be faster, but he doesn't have the raw power to take on Xellos. Gold and Black dragons are capable of blasting cities. Thousands of them were killed effortlessly by Xellos in a single move.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

When Servants go astral, they can't hurt each other or anyone else for that matter. Their abilities can only affect things and other people when they have materialized into a physical form. Xellos doesn't need to do this. He can remain in the Astral Plane and strike at your astral form there without materializing.  Gil has to assume a physical form to attack Xellos, however Xellos can remain Astral and attack Gil without worry of reprisal.
 
And I would like to see all the evidence of the supposed "Mach 45"
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Xellos vs Gilgamesh

Upper-level Mazoku can't even be scratched by a Dragonslave spell. They have barriers to protect themselves. Also, Xellos is fast. His speed is also augmented by his rapid teleportation between the physical and astral planes. 
 
Effectively, Gil can't even hit'im unless Xellos lets him. On the other hand, Xellos can surprise backstab him the entire time by attacking him from the Astral Plane, which Xellos has done to other Mazoku before fully materializing. It was Xello's specialty. The only one who beat him at doing that was Gaav, and that was due to Gaav being vastly more powerful.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Adam Blade Vs Black Star & Tsubaki

@DBZ_universe said:

Black star is more manly. He showed that he can still stand up even after having his back broken by Kishin....that is what a true man does lol.

Blade had a hole blasted through his chest cavity and out his back the size of a watermelon. And still came back to fight. And could still enjoy the panty shots with enthusiasm. That, dear sir or madam, is unfathomable Manliness.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Adam Blade Vs Black Star & Tsubaki

Adam Blade's Manliness wins.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Name One Character Who Can Beat Lord Of Nightmares?!?

You'd have to look at Nabeshin, Mokona (Rayearth), and other figures equal to TOAA. There's no beating them, they just tie out.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Name One Character Who Can Beat Lord Of Nightmares?!?

@taichokage: That's not beating. That's tieing out. L-Sama is Omnipotent.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Clare VS Raiden (Metal Gear)

@othus12: It's not about strength, it's about ability. Clare outmatches Raiden. A High-frequency blade does not make it better than the claymores as used by the Organizations Human/Yoma warriors. People used to believe a lightsaber could cut through anything, right up until it met something it couldn't.
 
A HF blade can be stopped by another of equal frequency or by a substance denser and/or stronger than its ability to affect. We've actually seen techniques used in Claymore reminisce of HF weapons, such as Ophelia's Rippling Sword technique, where Ophelia vibrates her sword arm so quickly the blade appears to blur into ripples, enabling sharp snake-like strikes that whip past anothers guard quite easily, and Clare's first encounter with this had her utterly defeated. However it was effortlessly defeated by Elena's Quicksword technique, which was even faster.
 
We've also seen that regardless of how fast the blade was moving, it couldn't cut nor scratch another claymore. Which only further provides evidence of the unique materials and make up of these swords. As far as ever been indicated in the series, they are completely indestructible. Which makes Raiden's HF-blade utterly useless.
 
Also, I've not seen any reason why Clare can't transform here. Even claiming that "speed is equal", it won't matter when Raiden has but one weapon to use, and Clare has dozens. He can only stop one blade, not all of them.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » SSJ Goku (Frieza Saga) vs Michael (Bastard!!)

Base Darsh beats Goku.
  
  Michael stomps Goku, and Darsh fondles Michael into submission. Case closed.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Clare VS Raiden (Metal Gear)

@othus12: And that doesn't mean Raiden has the same destructive capacity as MGR, only that he had the ability to cut through it. Something Clare can easily do. The swords used by The Organization are, for all intents and purposes, indestructible. Only reason a Claymore doesn't breach the body of an Awakened Being is because the Claymore doesn't have the strength or skill necessary to do it.
 
Clare is better at everything compared to Raiden. And because Raiden doesn't use yoki, she won't waste time to try and sense the energy flow and just rely purely on her physical senses and battle experience.  Clare at current level, can effortlessly match everything Raiden can dish out, without using an inkling of her yoki. And if Clare does use it and transforms herself, she completely outclasses Raiden in every aspect and just shreds him to pieces.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider (Bastard!) vs. Leo Regulus (Saint Seiya)

@alternative_backup: And Darsh doesn't use cosmo. So good luck with that. Oh and Darsh has the Magical Unpacker which allows him to understand and download the ability of any magical artifact or object and use all those wonderful abilities for himself. And you know that armor all those saints wear? With all those nifty boons and powers? Yeah, Darsh has all those now.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dark Schneider (Bastard!) vs. Leo Regulus (Saint Seiya)

Darsh destroyed the Black Abyss, which required force equivalent of the Big Bang to do. Dispel Bound bans all attacks. Blood Stone makes Leo suffer all the damage Darsh takes, only multiplied. Basically, Dark Schneider wins. Again. And then he goes and molests Athena herself.
Post by ReiKai (3,516 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Toriko vs Nappa

@5th said: That's a joke, either of the two wouldn't last a second against SSJ Goku but still a good fight

It wasn't meant to be canon, it was just a fun project they worked on together for the lols and it was pretty damn funny and entertaining, even keeping all the cast members in character. We know Goku would beat them all easy, but in a cross-universe that may bring their base down to about equal status, it would fit rather well. And fighting for Food is definitely something that Goku, Toriko and Luffy would go for. So it was a perfect fit.
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