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Kakashi Hatake » What do you think of Kakashi's recent power up?(Spoilers)

Very controversial, yet not too shocking (as expected from Kishimoto).

I think it's slightly better than him being utterly useless. Not like he could go out on a badass sacrifice or rampage (oh wait, Kishi denied him that...) He lacks the physical forte and willpower of Taijutsu masters like Gai, so really this is the only way he can be relevant to the plot still.

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Battles » Buranchi vs Raikage

Buranchi stomps him and the rest of the kages

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Battles » Kakashi vs Guy

@Jinbeifan1 said:

Kaguya hasn't shown any speed that's special, neither have Naruto or Sasuke for that matter. Even if he reacts to them, it won't say much speed wise. At least not against Guy.

If by speed that's special, you mean anything visually impressive that looks like it can be fan-calculated (like distance traveled/time interval) or physics-breaking then no. Although that's a relatively narrow way to quantify speed by flashiness, when there's an obvious power hierarchy that does tell us that Kaguya > full-power Juudara > 8-gates Gai in reactions. And Current Naruto just went about speedblitzing the strongest character in the series, which says A LOT about him speed-wise, as he'd be the fastest character to date. Sasuke himself is at a speed where the same Juudara that Gai nearly kicked admitted to be particularly fast. If Kakashi does indeed react to anyone of them, he certainly would be able to see and counter Gai's speed. Maybe not with his PS precisely, but a mix of dimensional intangibility and instant Kamui would do.

@Kobra678 said:

Except none of those three are as fast a Gai.

That's ridiculous. Are you insinuating that Gai is the fastest character in the series, when the second to last chapter showed a character who's significantly faster than him in feat?

Speedblitzing Kaguya >>> Speedblitzing a one-eyed Juudara.

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Battles » Kakashi vs Guy

If Kakashi can react to Kaguya or Current Sasuke/Naruto now, then Gai's gonna looose

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Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs Joestar Family

@EVA_01 said:

from what I know josuke and jotaro should be FTL [not sure about gio or jolyne, though. it's been a long time since I finished the manga]

FTL in reactions only, and the same goes for their Stands. There's a 90 meter distance between them and the Kings (based on standard starting conditions). And seeing as how the Jojos lack continental power or the attack range to harm the Kings, whereas the same cannot be said for the other side, they're really not going to land a hit. Course I haven't read past Stone Ocean, so I don't know what the last two Jojos can do.

@EVA_01 said:

yeah I know the FHK are continental level, but don't forget the joestars are haxxed [exculding joseph and jonathan these two are non factor here].

Also, Attacking at FTL speeds contributes so much to the damage they can do [ think of the Flash's IMP (Correct me If I'm wrong)]. do you see where I'm coming from?

The Stands may be hax, but it doesn't matter if they don't have their hax abilities don't have sufficient range. Nothing's stopping Toriko from kicking up something that can slice their Stands and themselves into pieces from kilometers away. Attacking at FTL speed doesn't give the Stands' punches anything substantially high. Human Stand users have survived a barrage of Star Platinum's FTL punches straight-on.

@EVA_01 said:

Also jotaro with Star Platinum:The World can stop time consecutively, So with that the joestars could pull off a win.

He can spam it, but there's obviously still gonna be an interval before he uses it again. He's not Dio. And the best a time-stop barrage can do is country level damage. At best, that would bruise sani maybe, whereas everyone else just laughs it off. Furthermore, nobody else on Jotaro's team would even be able to help him while in a timestop. It's also a particularly bad idea to get within melee range of a bunch of guys who can not only tear apart your Stand with their bare hands but also yourself. Especially since Coco can coat himself in poison - meaning Star Platinum's gonna disintegrate if it touches him, and Sani can wire the battlefield with millions of his hair.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders Discussion

Oh yeah, I think there's gonna be a long break until winter comes.

They're talking about production for Part 4, but it has not been green lit yet.

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Battles » Ridoku Sennin Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke Vs Jotaro, DIO

SC1+SC2: Hehehe..... naruto and sasuke die.

SC3: Dio and Jotaro get vaporized in one second.

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Battles » Kenshiro vs Current Toriko

@Kuma_From_Argentina said:

The Shin Hokuto Ova is after the End of the manga series.

Wouldnt Kenshiro use The Perfected Musou Tensei and Win? He is intangible to Toriko's attacks and no matter how durable he can be from the outside Kenshiro could use no-contact Pressure Point attacks to destroy Toriko from inside.

Toriko can blitz.

And Gourmet Cells grant Toriko regeneration. Don't think Hokuto Shinken is that effective against Toriko....

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Battles » Current Four Heavenly Kings Vs Joestar Family

Please take out Giorno Giovanna..... or at least nerf him down to just Golden Experience.

Well even then, any of the Four Kings would solo. So either way it'd be a rape - just that whether Giorno has GER or not determines which side.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Tokyo ESP Discussion

Are we gonna expect the same happy face from kobushi whenever she sees rinka's dead from now onz?

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Battles » Kenshiro vs Current Toriko

Kenshiro gets crushed, really.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Invaders of the Rokujyōma!? Discussion

Oof. Always the beach that causes dat drama.

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Battles » Current Toriko, Heracles, Tengu Buranchi Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

Yes he is. considering he's a multi country buster on a planet where a country is the size of Eurasia if he fought on DBZ planet or ours yes he would be.

That.... that's not how it is....

Toriko's "multi-country level", not because he actually busted or destroy any countries, but because that's the amount of force he can dish out from his fists, without causing environmental damage that's country level. Soooo he's not a "country buster", just someone who can exert country level force from physical blows and hurt people with country level to continental level durability with punches and kicks. Although he's higher than country level just to point out.

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Battles » Jirou vs Augus

It's very obvious that Toriko Earth is significantly bigger than our own Earth. Almost everyone caught onto that when they read the early part of the chapter. It's not hard to miss, either, it's been heavily emphasized multiple times throughout the manga. How much bigger is it? If the distance between two continents that aren't even at the "ends" of the Human World is 65000 km which is roughly 1/2 of Jupiter's diameter, and Gourmet World is 2-3 times bigger than Human World.... then there's clear-cut proof that Toriko Earth is at least as big as Jupiter.

"Logic" is seeing that if the planet really was 33x the size of real life earth, the gravity would kill all the humans. Your response?

Or...... maybe not.... since it's fiction... and fiction says gravity no kill humans living in Jupiter-sized Earth...

Not sure why you're so strict with the argument that every aspect of planetary physics has to be in proportion with each other, when that same strictness can be used to contradict virtually every other "logic-defying" instance in manga (which is fiction) - none of which really matters so long as the author doesn't care.

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Battles » Frieza vs Tien, Krillin & Yamcha

@nishi99 said:

@phantomrant: The dude trained seven years, so i'm sure he's stronger then a super saiyan by the Buu Saga. People just don't want to accept the fact that Tien is probably stronger then Piccolo by the Buu Saga, due to Piccolo's lack of training the seven years and giving up his rivalry with Goku. Also Buutenk's blast was a little big for fodders. Buu just loves to overkill.

Just because he trained for seven years doesn't necessarily mean that he's stronger than Piccolo. There was never any emphasis on his "training" in the first place, other than the fact that it's evident that he kept on training, which only tells us that he didn't decline in strength.

Where does it state that Piccolo stopped training? That's completely out of character for a guy like him. He always trains. It doesn't make sense that he sat around doing nothing for seven years, especially since the strongest people from Earth are either dead or stopped training to have a civilian life (Goku/Gohan).

What blast is of sufficient size for fodders? Buutenks casually fired a pretty insignificant ki blast from his two fingers. Not like he was charging up something like a Kamehameha.

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Battles » Current Toriko, Heracles, Tengu Buranchi Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan

@LoveLessNHK said:

So, legit question, how physically strong are DBZ characters? With a punch, just a straight up punch, how much destruction could they cause?

Destruction Feats - their attacks can crush small islands and mountains. Toriko-verse can put them to shame.

Damage Potential - They can hurt anyone with planet to star-level durability. Which means that anyone taking a smacking from DBZ characters will either be crippled or dead.

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Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@Low said:

Also, thats how Buranchi talks. The statement "freakin Mach 30,000" cannot be used in any credible manner to serve a point. Othus confirmed how Joa had his senses tuned over some some 18k kilometers. For Jirou to blitz the Red Nitro who himself is faster than the speed of sound, amplifies Jirou's casual speed by Mach 30k at least 5 folds. Jirou had to be coming in at no less than Mach 50,000 to blitz the Nitro. He'd have to be even faster to overwhelm the speed and reaction of the Nitro. I'm guessing Jirou's casual speed at Mach 150k.

True, but blitz feats cannot be "calced" and applied in fiction just like that, because most authors don't even know that aspect of speedblitz physics all that well and just have one guy blitz another guy without a care in the world. You can probably do the same thing for Bleach, Naruto, and Claymore and get something in the relativistic or FTL range for top tiers, which would be massive speed inflation.

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Battles » Frieza vs Tien, Krillin & Yamcha

@gokugx said:

But there was no visible damage, he was angry cause he was pushing down by Tien's beam.

There were still bruises all over his body, some of them being noticeably darker than the others. It isn't hard for Tien in a suicidal mindset to use a concentrated ki attack that uses up massive amounts of his reserves continously to kill most Namek Saga fighters and even Frieza. I'd wager even the Androids whose bodies can tank Trunk's slashes that one-shotted Frieza would be much more rustled up than Cell. At the very least, Tri-Beam used to the fullest is more effective against Cell than anything the Androids can possibly dish out (and these are the same ones that can fight on par with Super Saiyans)

@nishi99 said:

Cell Saga Tien is debatable, but Buu Saga is another story. Tien trained for seven years during the time skip and defected buutenks's blast with his Tri Beam.

Yeah, but the blast can't actually be powerful. It was used against Dende and Hercules, and even Nappa and Radditz can fire a ki attack without an effort that will be sufficient enough to kill them. No need for Buutenks to do anything more than necessary to kill two fodders, right? The feat would place Tien well above your typical Super Saiyan without him risking his life at least.

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