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Post by phantomrant (1,592 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Four Espada vs. Four Hokage

At that I didn't except this to become a cero vs. "blank" kind of thing. The dama is obviously more destructive in a single attack but the Espada have spam on their side. Also it can be argued that Starrk's techniques (Wolves are a thing) as well as Ulquiorra spamming Lanza are more potent -> Espada have more consistent DC potential while the Naruto team doesn't. I made the thread not to compare DC but to compare teams...

Spamming does not help here when their attacks are nowhere near strong enough to destroy Hashirama's strongest Mokuton in the first place. They're never going to wear it down, or at least not before they are ultimately crushed. There is no argument for any Espada's DC except for Ulquiorra's Lanza, and there are several ways to deal with that aside from just tanking it head-on. Mokuton is on a whole other level DC/Durability-wise than any of the Espada's attacks, and it doesn't help that they lack hax abilities.

And I said no BS one shots... I think that entails saying things like "Hashirama solos".

A little bit vague don't you think? What makes Hashirama's one-shotting Team Espada "bs" and not "legit" when he can clearly do it?

the bleach team has too much speed, especially Starrk (Who has more impressive feats than anyone in this thread).

They haven't had any speed advantage ever since Naruto characters were outspeeding hypersonic+ FRS and handling Bijuudamas that can cross a sea in a few seconds (something that Hashirama himself did). What makes Starkk's speed so special that he can fire his gun before Hashirama can slap his hands together?

Of course not, but he can match teleportation with speed, characters in Naruto have done that. His speed feats are the best in the thread >_>...

Why are his speed feats the best in the thread?

Post by phantomrant (1,592 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Four Espada vs. Four Hokage

@Asura_Uchiha said:

What exactly am I supposed to be looking at here? Seems very unimpressive in the grand scheme of things before a Sage Buddha.

Hashirama isn't soloing lol. Hashirama's technique such as wood dragon is useless outside Narutoverse because there is no chakra to restrain. Hashirama is the kryptonite of bijuu, his powers are severely limited outside NV

I'm not sure what you're trying to say to me here.

Post by phantomrant (1,592 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Four Espada vs. Four Hokage

Hashirama solos.

lol why did you replace Baraggan with Grimmjow?

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Battles » EOS Sakura Haruno vs Kakuzu

Sakura beats him up.

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Naruto » can truth seaking ball / Gudodama destroy anything ?

@flashback180 said:

i was going though some old threads and found some really biased arguments on multiple sites. some even paired kaguya with galactus .

So ?

They cannot destroy anything infused with nature-based energy.

Nor can they destroy anyone with resistance/regeneration from atomic-destruction.

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Battles » Tatsumi VS Kazuki Muto

Kazuki can solo AgKverse.

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Battles » Funny Valentine vs Kaguya Otsutsuki

Valentine makes Kaguya disintegrate

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Battles » Naruto vs Juubi

@joseph619 said:

Neither juubi nor the jinchuuriki has been killed by senjutsu attacks. The only thing that came close to killing a juubi jinchuuriki was taijutsu of MIght Gai. Juubi has far better durability showing than its jinchuuriki (Even Sakura managed to hurt Kaguya). Juubi is vulnerable to senjutsu attacks but it can't be taken down permanently without sealing jutsu. It's regeneration is almost instant.

It's pointless to say that the juubi has never been killed by senjutsu attacks when none were used against it. And its jinchurikis weren't killed by senjutsu attacks because after the first time, its jinchurikis were able to guard against it better. Juubito/Juudara =/= Juubi. Kaguya has shown less vulnerability towards Senjutsu as she tanked 9 Bijuu-FRS going off at her at once without a scratch.

The Juubi is not more durable than its jinchurikis who are people with the Juubi's power compressed into humanoid form. Juubito was able to no-sell an Enton-Bijuu Mode FRS to the chest better than the Juubi taking the same thing, which burned it and inflicted noticeable pain.

The Juubi is going to take an extensive amount of time regenerating given its massive size. Naruto who's able to charge and throw his FRS very quickly can reduce it to paste. The Juubi's regeneration isn't so great that it can pull itself together when its molten pieces are scattered all across the battlefield.

Senjutsu can hurt not kill.

I find it hard to believe that while good old-fashioned Taijutsu is capable of killing juubi jinchurikis given sufficient power, that Senjutsu, the natural weakness of Juubi jins, is not capable of doing the same thing to the juubi itself once it damages enough of its body.

Why Juubi has better durability showing than the jinchuuriki? It's because Obito got hurt by a normal sized senjutsu enhanced rasengan. Madara got slashed by Sasuke and stabbed by Zetsu which killed him. Then Kaguya got thrashed by Sakura's punch and Kakashi's Kamui raikiri. Juubi doesn't have these inconsistent showings.

Those aren't "inconsistent showings". First off, you're comparing Senjutsu attacks that have been stated to be effective against the Juubijins regardless of durability with attacks that have no Senjutsu in them. You can't draw any cross-directional conclusions from them. All of those cases involve Sage/Rikudou/Kaguya's chakra which their bodies would be fragile to. The only case you have is Sakura punching a horn off, of which the durability is unknown, and only complements Sakura's punching power rather than downplaying Kagura's durability.

Juubi jinchuuriki are said to be stronger but they have poorer DC and durability showing than it's jinchuuriki.

Not true, given that that Juubito can produce more of the same TBBs that the Juubi can fire, and Kaguya who has a planet-level Gudoudama in her hands. And I already disproved the durability one up above - this time using how the Juubi and Juubito fared against the same exact attack with no senjutsu involved rather than comparing attacks of two significantly different natures used agaisnt them.

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Battles » Naruto vs Juubi

@joseph619 said:

Has the juubi been damaged by large scale senjutsu attacks?

No. Because no Senjutsu-enhanced attacks were used against the Juubi.

Because juubi jinchuuriki have lots of inconsistent durability feat, like Madara getting owned by Obito's fist twice, whereas the Juubi has pretty consistent durability showing.

Obito still had Rikudou's chakra coursing through him even after losing the beast. Rikudou's chakra contains senjutsu chakra, as well.

And juubi can regenerate.

This isn't a problem when the Juubi is literally melted into two pieces. Naruto only has to throw more Lava Rasen-Shurikens until what's left of the Juubi cannot be salvaged.

Naruto wasn't able to beat either Obito, Madara and Kaguya with his own power

But the Juubi =/= its jinchurikis. All of them have an arsenal of abilities that are more formidable than what the Juubi alone has, such as Gudoudama, Limbo, and Amenominaka.

Post by phantomrant (1,592 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Naruto vs Juubi

@joseph619 said:

Juubi tanked this. A concentrated juubidama inside a barrier.

Plus a bijudama point blank to the face

The Juubi, like its jinchurikis, are weak against Senjutsu-enhanced attacks. Naruto was able to melt the Shinju which is the Juubi's final, most powerful form, and the tree dwarfs the beast in size/diameter. And considering the distance and Naruto's base SPSM speed, this fight would be over in ten seconds or so.

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One Piece » What the crap is Luffy's DC (Destructive Capacity

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

His singular punches (non gears) are town level, however he should be able to reach city-small mountain level via combination and barrage attacks by now.

@Destinyheroknight said:

Yeah, around town or small city. I believe

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Battles » 6-Tails Naruto VS. Ulquiorra

R2 Ulquiorra throws Lanza at him and hopes that it hits.

R1 and base gets murked.

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Battles » Orochimaru and Kabuto vs. Kages

In a direct confrontation, both Kage teams are too much for them.

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Battles » Who in the Hst can beat Fukki

No one. Closest is Kaguya.

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Battles » Tsunade and Sakura vs. Konan

Both medics can tank her generic explosions just fine. Throw in auto-regeneration, and Konan's paper bombs lose their effectiveness without prep to gather them in massive bundles for a more potent explosion. Flight and being made out of paper makes it difficult for Tsunade and Sakura to actually damage her, but Tsunade has Katon which helps in the long-run.

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#Anime Vice Discussion Threads » Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders Discussion

@takashichea said:

@EVA_01:

When I was visiting family during Christmas, they were in the Persona rage. I think it was Persona 3. They had a dog that uses Persona. When I saw Iggy who is a Stand user, I realized two things clicked.

I heard this show influenced a lot of things. I haven't seen Fist of the North Star, but I heard from the Tom and the gang. Also, Jojo influences Street Fighter which a lot of our folks loved to play.

There's a whole list of cultural references made to this series:

http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_from_JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure

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Battles » Current Luffy and Prime Garp runs a YYH gauntlet

Stops at Sensui after a brutal battle.

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Battles » Millenium, Hellsing, and the Vatican invade Konoha!!!

ber hur hur with Pre-Schro Alucard, team hellsing gets demolished by the village high tiers.

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Vampires » Looking for strong vampire manga and comic characters

Mandrakk is a multiversal cosmic vampire

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