phantomrant (Level 6)

@taichokage said:

Logia intangibility allows them to reform from attacks that disperse them. It in no way heals damage they sustain. That's akin to Marco's mythical Zoan Phoenix Fruit. So irooni is not getting bypassed.

Once they're in their logia state, they're able to reform from any of Shunsui's slashes.

Takaoni is that way because that is simply the ability

No, it isn't. Takaoni is featless and an unknown ability. All Shunsui said was that the one at a higher ground "wins". He didn't say anything about Takaoni killing anyone.

And yes kageoni has moderate worth here. It would best be used to temporarily hide and that's pretty much it

You can't hide in shadows. Whatever Shunsui sticks in his own shadow will appear on the target's shadow.

As for Sogyo no Kotowari, it isn't super useful here. He could more or less just utilize it to catch and reverse Kizaru's beams

Even if he can redirect them, does he have the reflexes to react to them?

Other than that I see kido being equally if not more useful against the admirals than their zanpakutou collectively.

What Kido?

@UltimateHero0406 said:

1.Yeah. His lack of speed and mobility made it pretty easy to get away. While in my vids, Yammy could chase down his targets. And that doesn't mean much. Gama has never shown any particular strength feats that would make his full effort mean anything. Yeah he cut the cerberus. And? The rasen shuriken wasn't made for cutting like a traditional blade. It has never cut anyone in half ever. Or does this mean that Kakuzu's durability is on an exceptionally high level? Kenpachi would beat gama in a few swings.

I'm not even going to argue about speed anymore, seeing as the nerfed Byakuya and yammy here also have unimpressive levels of speed. But I'll say that the Shukaku's body is durable enough to withstand a FRS's destructive output, which is at least at city block level. This not only means that yammy will not be one-shotting him, but also Byakuya has nothing to deal major damage to him with.

2. So I just proved the majority of your argument dead wrong.

I really don't even have to look at the video. It's non-canonical. Complete filler.

3. Do you mean the Bijuu Dama that he has never used ever? No I did't forget it. It would just be extremely unlikely and out of character that he would use it here. And we don't even know how strong it would be. But a lot weaker than Naruto or Killer Bee's so it's not even like you can powerscale for it anyway.

How the hell is it out of character? The Shukaku is a Bijuu, and a destructive one at that. He's naturally bloodlusted. Now that the TBB has been introduced and developed in the manga, he should use it right off the bat. All of the Bijuu can use a bijuudama.

Funny. The Nibi all the way up to the Nanabi all have equally strong TBBs (and it looks like the Hachibi as well), yet Shukaku gets the short end of this because he's the weakest of the Bijuu? I don't think so. We're looking at a mountain-level TBB here, unless you have a reason why the Shukaku can't produce a TBB at least at mountain level.

5. Guess not. But that just reinforces the fact that Shukaku won't be dodging Yammy's killer cero.

No, but he'll withstand it, pull himself back together, and get ready for dat TBB.

Yeah but he survived. A couple even flipped him over. So yammy survived attacks from a guy who can flip him in one swing. And then he took an attack from Byakuya AND Kenpachi to the face and only got angrier and entered his final stage which Shukaku stands no earthly chance against. And are you say Shukaku is going to cut Yammy? With what? And Yammy has taken almost zero damage from the number of blast attacks he took from Rukia Renji and Chad so Air Bullet isn't doing much if anything at all. And like I said, Kenpachi is stronger than Shukaku and Gamabunta so that isn't proving your point.

So what? He survived because the attack wasn't severe in proportion to his body. It's like a thorn pricking your fingers. Of course it's not going to kill him. The same attacks wouldn't even kill people of similar size of yammy even if they were nowhere near as powerful as Yammy, because the damage isn't severe enough. It's not a durability feat, and it it's barely an endurance feat. Patched Kenpachi casually walked all over him, and he got slashed in the face even when Kenpachi and Byakuya were busy fighting each other, instead of Yammy. Pretty unimpressive for Yammy. The only thing Yammy has is stamina and endurance. Something that will not help him when he gets blasted by a TBB.

9. Already did bro/sis

How?

10. And yeah, I think Byakuya still has a chance at winning.

Why?

A ki-powered punch is enough to obliterate him like Yamamoto did to Wonderweiss.

@taichokage said:

I don't get how you can say both their shikai are irrelevant. Shunsui's ability makes children's games a reality. In other words it's minor warping of reality.

No, not even.

He can't be harmed except for the color called in irooni

It's not that he can't be harmed, it's just that the damage is minimized. And that's only if he calls out a color that doesn't exist on his body, but does on the opponent (in this case, it'd be blue or green). The problem is that it's a one-strike limit, and then it's the Admirals' turn to call their color. Aokiji can bypass Irooni anyway with his freezing. And I can guarantee you that given Kizaru and Akainu's long ranged, spammable, attacks (each of them capable of one-shotting Shunsui) against Shunsui who's limited to close quarters combat, Shunsui will not even have the chance to cut the Admirals while it's his turn.

And even if he does land a blow and inflicts massive damage, that can be patched up by their logia abilities.

The only thing Irooni can do is literally extend his life by a few seconds.

Takaoni kills whoever has the lower ground,

Do tell me why you think this.

bushogoma is a top (mini tornado),

A weak and useless one, seeing as it's only good for distraction. Any of the Admirals can plow through it with raw strength alone. Shunsui only used it so that he can use Takaoni, but seeing as the top part of the Bushogama is completely open, anyone could easily escape the tornado by moving up and launch something at Shunsui to interrupt him.

kageoni allows him to become the shadows

Getting within arm's reach of the Admirals is a bad idea. Especially seeing as Shunsui can't severely injure them. And this is assuming that the Admirals are standing still and are touching a surface.

Saying that the Admirals are somehow exempt from Shunsui's ability and not being bound by the rules is like saying nobody would be bound to Law's room rules.

Nowhere did I say that the Admirals are exempt from his Shikai. It's just that his Shikai is useless. Useless in that it's ineffective against the Admirals and it's not advantageous for Shunsui.

Definitely the Shinobi Alliance if we're looking at a straight-up all-out fight. Their numbers dwarf what the Gotei 13 has. BM Naruto and Bee hold a massive power and AoE advantage, so anyone remotely near the battlefield will be killed by TBB spam explosions, including the top tiers in Soul Society (Yamamoto and Aizen). Onoki can atomize all of the captains from dozens of meters away. Kakashi's Kamui can also BFR all of the captains away.

The Shinobi Alliance is too hax, too powerful, and too big for Soul Society to handle. Aizen can't even release KS effectively since the vast majority of them have no reason to look at the sword. Literally everytime Aizen puts people under his spell, he tells them to look at his Zanpakuto (like when he did to the captains and Baraggan). That's no going to fly while he's in the middle of a humongous fight. And Yamamoto's Bankai can be dealt with either hax or power.

I have no idea why people think that the senior duo has any chance whatsoever in threatening the Admirals. Ukitake is useless here, and there's nothing Shunsui has to get through the Admirals' logia abilities. His Irooni can be easily laughed at by their logia intangibility/regeneration, and once Shunsui makes a cut, it's the Admirals' turn to strike back. Same for Kageoni. Takaoni and Bushogama are featless/useless.

The seniors lack a speed advantage, power advantage, durability advantage, and Shunsui's hax advantage means nothing. They have nothing. No advantage. Nothing going for them. Nothing to put the Admirals down and nothing to defend or counter from their attacks. Nada. Kizaru's kicks can blitz them, there's no way they can even approach the Admirals with Akainu's massive heat, and Aokiji can freeze his surroundings. They're getting one-shotted no matter how you see it.

So yeah, any of the Admirals casually stomps the both of them.

Any of the Admirals effortlessly solo.

@UltimateHero0406 said:

1. Still, a simple blade attack took the guy's arm off and Gama got away scott free. He's not all that.

Yeah, because Gamabunta jumped away right after he slashed his arm off. So what? This is the same blade attack that Gamabunta used to cut into Pain's Ceberus, same Ceberus that was able to tank a RM-enhanced FRS unscatched. Except that time, Gamabunta had no trouble doing it, whereas he did immense difficulty slashing the Shukaku's arm off. You act like just because Gamabunta didn't get injured in that moment means the Shukaku is unimpressive and slow as hell. No, it doesn't mean that.

2. I'm not arguing Byakuya. I'm arguing Yammy.

Then we're getting completely off-topic, seeing as this is a Byakuya vs Gaara thread.

3. They were using it most of the fight but he was still able to drop them both in the end. Plus Chad.

Show me the scans were Yammy was able to catch a speeding Rukia, Renji, and Chad, because all I can find is a completely off-panel fight between Yammy and Rukia, Renji, and Chad.

4. Shukaku's air bullets (which are his only effective attack)

Forgetting about the Bijuudama, aren't you?

missed Gama who is the same size.

I don't see your point. All this means is that Gamabunta is faster than the Renkuudan. Doesn't mean that a Shunpoless Byakuya will be able to dodge it, nor does it mean that Yammy will dodge it

And Shukaku isn't the most mobile fighter.

No, he isn't, but speed means nothing in this fight.

And yeah that was my point. He could barely fight Gama moving at the same speed while Yammy tagged 2 opponents who were faster than him.

Nope.

Sand is not doing squat to Yammy. Period point blank.

Okay. But I didn't say anything about sand attacks.

He took hits from Kenpachi who would would turn Shukaku into a litter box.

Except he got cut apart by those attacks, so you're going nowhere by stating that Yammy took hits from a patched kenpachi who was just running around, casually slashing Yammy up, whose Hierro offered no defense against them. Shukaku can do the exact same thing.

And maybe not in one hit I guess but after about 2 or 3 or some balas, Shukaku is going down. They pack a lot more of a punch than air bullets.

Prove it.

Btw, we should get back to Byakuya vs Gaara. Do you think that Byakuya will beat the Shukaku?

@UltimateHero0406 said:

@phantomrant: Shukaku isn't all that. In the 2 episodes we saw him he talked $#!7, moved pretty slow, got his arm torn off relatively easily.

Despite the fact that Gambunta stated that it took full effort for him to even cut off Shukaku's arm?

Yammy's hierro is way harder than Shukaku's sand body

Maybe, but that doesnt' mean anything when you have a body made of sand. Byakuya can't do anything to the Shukaku. There's not a single attack or Kido spell he has to even threaten him.

Yammy was able to take out Rukia, and Renji who are 1/1000 his size and flashstep users

1. Were they using Shunpo when Yammy took them out?

while Shukaku couldn't hit someone a lot slower and the same size as him.

Uh.... except he did. They were charging at each other at the same speed.

Plus Yammy could kill him with 1 cero. Or just a punch really.

Uh.... no he can't. His Ceros doesn't have a lot of feats and none of them suggest they can one-shot the Shukaku. Much less a punch.

Shukaku, on the other hand, can one-shot him, as well as the rest of the Espada, with a TBB.

@solesamurai said:

Shukakau is the weakest of all the tailed beast, yammy is by far more powerful, durable, and large. he'd one shot Shukaku,

Whoa, whoa, whoa, where's the logic there? He's the weakest of the Tailed beasts, yes, but Yammy is complete fodder to the rest of the tailed beasts. You're not proving the slightest thing here.

Not to mention Gaara could never even hope to land a hit on byakuya even without shunpo.

Despite the fact that a shunpoless Byakuya lacks the speed feats to even remotely compete with the Raikage?

Gaara was by far the most useless in the 5 kage vs madara fight, and has had no impressive showing in the last 200 chapters! This is an effortless win in byakuya's favor.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Mei is by far the most useless in the fight, followed by the Raikage. Gaara on the other hand was the second most useful and helpful kage, until the moment Tsunade fired up everyone's morale via the Will of Fire and head everyone badge on Madara. This is the same Gaara that not only contributed a lot to stopping one of Madara's meteors, who not only did the most amount of work in the battle against three different kages (Mu, Mizukage, and his own father) by using the rocky landscape as support for his sand, but also saved Mei's life by pulling him away from getting killed by Susanoo.

A Shunpoless Byakuya's not winning with anything short of high difficulty, and that's assuming Shukaku is restricted and they're fighting in a setting where it's not ideal for Gaara to collect sand.

@solesamurai said:

How about you tell me how she beats him when she has only 1 thing going for her and that's the regeneration?

How does she beat him? In the most direct way possible. Stab him with her Zanpakuto until he dies. Urahara lacks the stamina and durability feats to maintain a battle with Unohana. He'll get worn out very quickly. Unohana can cut him apart, strangle him with her bare hands, or use her Bankai on him.

Doesn't matter if this is a battle of tactics or not, this is a battle and urahara being a 5th dimensional thinker will think tactically as he always does.

Which is useless without prep. Without prep, the only thing he can rely on are gigai tricks and Kido chains; tactics that I've repeatedly debunked as useless and ineffective against Unohana.

She is not Aizen i don't know why people keep trying to put her on his level, she isn't even close. Not to mention Aizen also has immense reiatsu, so the bakudo not working on him could very well be due to that.

I just described, in specific detail and explanation, how Unohana is easily on par with Aizen. Either counter my entire paragraph on it or accept the fact that Unohana is on the same level as Aizen. To think that she isn't even nearly as strong as him is outright ignoring her very impressive feats and status as the First Kenpachi. She's most definitely the strongest out of the first generation of the Gotei 13, which is the strongest generation of captains, next to Genryuusai. She's a senior captain who's much, much stronger than the current Captain-Commander.

I also recall Ichigo breaking out of the bakudo Rukia cast on him with just his strength.

As far as this video shows, yes it does bind to whatever it can touch not just ground, Aizen was in a standing position so that indicates that it doesn't press them onto the ground, just hold them in place.

Yeah, hold them in place IF they're just standing there doing nothing like Aizen did. Aizen who btw was taking the fight effortlessly so of course he'd just sit back (as he's done previous times in the fight).

Urahara can bind her with shibari long enough

Nope. And even if he can, Unohana cuts the net apart.

This will be a win by incapacitating means for Urahara.

Except it's not incapacitation as Unohana will break out of it.

Now explain to me what she can do to Urahara that he can't avoid all together or use equipment to escape from?

There's no need for me to explain how she beats him any further. Every way that Unohana can slaughter Urahara I've listed multiple times.

Sensui murderstomps. Not only does Kizaru not have anything to hurt him with, but Sensui can one-shot him from several meters away. They also have comparable base speed, though Sensui has far better stamina.

@GIRUGAMESH said:

How would he stomp if Shukaku is allowed? Yammy was getting bullied by Kenpachi and Byakuya, he clearly has no issues fighting with large opponents.

Let's see....

1. Shukaku will keep on fighting regardless of what Byakuya has to offer to him.

2. Byakuya will get one-shotted by the Shukaku.

3. Kenpachi was clearly taking almost all of the fight while Byakuya sat mostly on the sidelines.

4. Yammy is fodder to the Shukaku.

@solesamurai said:

Shibari Benihime, does restrain, that how it sets up for the detonation and he doesn't have to detonate it.

How can it restrain someone when it's a net? It's not like the net is pinned down to the ground.

Breaking bakudo only requires physical strength? Where are you getting this from?

The fact that Aizen was able to break the triple Bakudo Urahara cast on him by wrestling out of it.

the most physically imposing character in the bleach verse up to this point is most likely Yammy and Urahara could bind him with a level 30-40 bakudo with no incantation until he releases and gets pissed off.

You're talking about base Yammy, who's not the most physically imposing character in bleach and no one near the most physically strongest character in the series.

You need immense reiatsu to break bakudo. She's on Aizens level? Since when? She's strong no doubt, but to put her on Aizens level is a definite over estimation of what she's shown. She's all hype with no feats, her defeating a depowered Kenpachi multiple times does not in anyway support her being anywhere near Aizens level.

Do you even realize how strong Kenpachi is by the time she was fighting him? We're not looking at a Nnoitra-level guy here like some ppl thought before it was revealed that Kenpachi had subconscious shackles on him. By the time Unohana first killed him, we're looking at someone who's close to being as strong as Royd Llyod, in other words, the guy who can go toe-to-toe with a pissed-off Shikai Yamamoto and who took on Bankai Yamamoto. Same Royd Llyod who's very close to being as strong as base Aizen. Proven by the fact that he's always had massive power-ups when he relishes in fighting an opponent. His defeat by Shikai Ichigo boosted him all the way up to be near that of R1 Nnoitra-level. And his defeat of Nnoitra boosted him up to well within the top 4 Espada rankings, supported by the fact that he enjoyed his fight with Nnoitra as much as he did with Ichigo, and was able to roflstomp the Espada with the highest reiatsu. Getting stomped by Royd actually brought him near his level since it made it easier for Kenpachi to unshackle himself.

This is the same Kenpachi that Unohana casually stomped over and over, while Kenpachi keeps on getting stronger from his unshackling. Does this not put base Unohana roughly equal to base Aizen? Furthermore, she was able to speedblitz Kenpachi who was much faster than his HM arc self. This puts Unohana's (I'm guessing Shunpo) speed at least on Starrk's Sonido speed. The only thing she lacked, from what we can tell or infer, is durability feats, which is made up by her phenomenol endurance, stamina, and Kaido.

I need proof that she can beat urahara without using hype and assumptions.

This isn't hype or assumptions. This is whether you read Bleach or not, and whether you understand Kenpachi's growth rate or not.

Based off Feats urahara would win, featwise he's faster, better prepared(even without prep), better at kido, a better battle tactician, and smarter(don't think unohana was ever intended to be more intelligent than him anyway). the only thing she has on him is swordsmanship, that's it. He definitely wins on paper due to feats.

1. He is faster.

2. He sure is better at Kido, but that doesn't mean he's able to kill her with it.

3. Sure, but this is not a battle of tactics.

4. Nor is a battle of wits and smarts.

5. Tell me what Urahara can dish on her that she can't regenerate from. You saw how she got reduced to a skeleton, and then was able to heal herself completely in the blink of an eye. She saw her immense cutting/striking power. You can tell that she has vastly superior reiatsu. You saw her cunning and trickery in close-quarters combat. What does Urahara have that Unohana can't deal with?

Op states that Shunpo is not allowed. All we know of Byakuya's base speed is that it's pretty even with a patched Kenpachi's footspeed. Which is nothing compared to a Gaara that was able to intercept a bloodlusted Raikage. But even with Byakuya's speed advantage cut, he still has Hado and Bakudo, and versatility with many numbers of petals ideal for cutting. So Byakuya with mid-high difficulty.

Gaara would stomp if Shukaku is allowed or if the battle takes place in a rocky landscape.

@solesamurai said:

Urahara could use Shibari, Benihime as a way of restraining unohana. He doesn't have to detonate it. And you can't say Unohana would break it without feats, She has absolutely 0 feats to back her being able to get out of the bakudo he used on Aizen. Merely stating she can isn't enough to prove it.

That's not for restraining. That's just a net that sets up for the destructive attack: Juzutsunagi. Unohana will casually slice it apart if he doesn't detonate it.

Breaking Bakudo requires only physical strength. I'd put Unohana's strength to be at least on Aizen's level. Supported by the fact that she completely overpowered Kenpachi and cutted him apart dozens of times over. Not to mention that Kenpachi is getting stronger and stronger every time she revives him and she's getting weaker and weaker as she uses up her reiryoku. What more do you need?

Aizen. With that Shikai of his, he'll kill Unohana no matter what she uses.

I'd actually go with Bankai Unohana with extreme difficulty if it's base Aizen.

@ReliusClover said:

Fact is i don't believe that anything Ed does or can do can't be countered with a jump in the air followed by a wire to the head, which is where we probably go apart. But really as long as you agree that Hei wins i don't have any reason to debate, i think that we differ on the scenarios or difficulty possible isn't all that important.

That's fine.

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

Ok..... So do you acknowledge the fact that Hei is indeed a bullet timer? Now why do you need to reach the speed of sound to be a bullet dodger? Which I'll talk a little about this in just a moment.

I'm using the sound of speed as a standard here. We can't use the term "bullet timer" without some kind of standard for the speed of the bullet.

Whats hasn't been done? Bullet timing? Thats my misconception. Ok heres proof, which I won't only show you bullet timing I'll show you fighting skills. Hei's fast enough to react to a gernade exposion. Also look out for the guy who has the ubersensing power.

I don't see any bullet-timing. He didn't react to the explosion either, he just got out of the way before it exploded. The part where the guy was firing bullets at Hei was where Hei was moving around to try to disorient his line of firing. Make it harder for the bullet to actually hit. His knife was shot out of his hand because the guy was able to see his movements regardless.

Very much what a bullet timer? Or someone who can move at sonic speed? Please provide proof.

Well I was thinking in terms of being able to move at sonic speed, but he was able to put up a wall as Father Cornello was shooting at him. This was in the first few episodes of the Brotherhood anime.

How is it not better? Scar isn't a trained assassin he's a man who has great powers and learned to fight by trying to survive.
He has not shown any martial art combat skills at Hei's level.

He hasn't shown any martial art skills? He's a warrior monk who's been training for years. He combines his destruction alchemy with barehanded combat as his signature fighting style. Not to mention much higher physical strength. If Hei were to fight him, without his powers or his wire-knife (just hand to hand skill) and Scar doesn't get to use alchemy, he'd get wrecked.

Do you not know Breadley is always in battle forums being compared with Hei.

Didn't have the slightest idea. I wonder why since Hei will only get a sword through his neck.

Anyways, Wrath is way faster than Scar. Did you forget that Scar was taking on a serverly injured Wrath?

Bradley was going all-out in that fight. So he got stabbed in the chest and got shot in the shoulder. You think that's going to stop a seasoned and highly experienced soldier who likely took more severe injuries than that? Just because he got injured doesn't mean his speed goes way down, especially if he was bloodlusted in his fight against Scar, whereas he was blitzing everyone and cutting apart bullets and tank shells in a casual manner.

Oh yeah, let not forget he wasn't using his ultimate eye, and the way he killed Wrath wasn't based off skill.

This has nothing to do with Bradley's speed or reflexes. Wrath lost because he pushed his body too far from going all-out and his declining stamina.

So using that he could trade blow with King Bradley is a moot point when he wasn't at his best.

Except Bradley who isn't at his best was still able to blitz Roy and Greedling. If his speed is retained, then his physical strength when he was trying to kill Scar also shouldn't be any different. Btw, those weren't the scans that I was talking about when I said that he traded blows with him. I was earlier.

Because he has done that very thing before. The fact he is capable of throwing spears Hei will move to close combat as thats the smart thing to do when fighting someone with better range.

But Ed doesn't throw spears. And you don't try to close the distance against someone with not only higher reach than you but is also faster.

Where's your proof that he's faster than Hei? Is it that he took on Scar, who took on Wrath.

Yep. Also the fact that Scar was bullet-timing.

Funny thing is he got beat by Scar.

1. yeah, in the first fight. In the second fight, it was Scar who had to flee.

2. Doesn't matter. This has nothing to do with the fact that Ed kept up with Scar.

Scar couldn't even handle a highly weakened Bradely.

But he did. If he couldn't handle Bradley, he would have died with a sword through him within seconds. Bradley's body wouldn't have given up.

One quick little thing. If head is faster please show me a scan of Scar bullet timing or Ed bullet timing. Keeping up with thi Wrath isn't enough.

It isn't enough? Have you seen Wrath's supersonic feats? How about the part where Scar was dancing around Hawkeye's pistols in his first fight with Ed.

He uses his environment to his advantage. He doesn't rely on it.

Sure, if he's fighting with fodders. Hei usually does move around a lot against any opponent who's a threat to him, which Ed is.

As Ed relies on his knowledge, which he doesn't win a battle with out using it. In which most of the really powerful characters he fights he some how lives only due to the fact that they aren't aloud to kill him or he gets help from a friend. There isn't anything Ed can do that Hei hasn't already seen.

He doesn't need knowledge if he's bloodlusted. What will Hei do if Ed launches off dozens of pillars from the ground, all attacking him from different angles?

it doesn't even look like you're getting my point here. Hei will win, but only if he uses his wire-knife and his wits to outsmart and outmanuever Ed. if he doesn't, he's getting pummeled.

@Galenbeta said:

you forget Hei's true power you idiot

Which is funny because I just addressed that in my first few posts. Maybe you should actually read what I write, next time.

@solesamurai said:

The reasons you provided were all in situations where physical combat was involved. Urahara has the means to keep this a ranged battle which considering he has better kido and equipment he would come out victorious. Unohana would stomp him in combat however since he has like 1 on panel combat feat against Ichigo when he first got his shikai.

But Urahara has to engage in some kind of direct, physical combat because his shield has to appear right in front of him (as Unohana brings down her sword) and his Tsunappe involves direct contact with whatever he's trying to counter. These are all close-ranged Shikai techniques.

The only thing Urahara can do against Unohana is Juzutsunagi or use his 91 Hado. Even if Unohana gets caught in the net, it wouldn't kill her because of her incredible healing Kido. She'll just restore herself every time. And the 91 Hado is only good if Unohana is restrained. There should be no reason as to why Unohana, a master at Kido and at physical combat, should not be able to break the Bakudo used to restrain her like Aizen.

@solesamurai said:

Like I said before I responded to your reply regarding how he would defend against her bankai. Urahara has better kido feats than Unohana by a far margin, on panel.

Once again I was responding to your reply regarding how he would defend against her bankai. i won't argue with you regarding sword fighting since urahara has next to no canon sword fighting feats.

But it wouldn't defend against her Bankai, because of the reasons I provided.

@solesamurai said:

Yes it was cracked upon impact of an attack. Unohana's bankai has no impact force to actually damage it, therefor she can't replicate those feats with her bankai, which was the whole point of me mentioning blood mist shield, Unohana could break it with her sword, but when need be could always defend against the dripping blood from her bankai, making your point moot.

If the shield is broken, then the blood is free to splatter on Urahara. He'll be completely open. Unohana doesn't even need Bankai for this. All she needs to back her up are healing kido and her knives.

I was replying to you saying he had no defense against her bankai which is very much reishi based, unless you can prove otherwise, Tsupanne would in theory work very well.

Urahara's Tsupanne Benihime works by analyzing the spirit particle composition and movements and countering. This isn't possible against generic sword slashes (which is of pure physical force). Urahara is once again, completely open.