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Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Alita Runs the gauntlet.

Punzer Kunst makes numbers 1-3 and 6 explode, plus her own physical strength and durability are around their general ballpark. Don't know about the rest.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

He cut out of something Gremmy thought he couldnt. That's whats clearly shown.

But it's not "clearly shown". Gremmy was right in that Kenpachi could not cut through Galaxy Void. Instead, Kenpachi simply cut Gremmy himself who was too concentrated on killing Kenpachi to remember hardening his defenses, something Kenpachi exploited earlier. Doing so allowed the hole to enlargen (shown in the same page) so he could walk out of it. If he could simply cut through space, he would have simply done so without mentioning to Gremmy that he had forgotten to harden his body. If Gremmy did harden his body, he would not have been cut, and Kenpachi would still be under the effects of space.

Taicho brings up yet another point. That small hole he couldnt stick his hand through at first tears wide open for his entire body to come out as he swings his blade. That with everything else sure tells you he escaped.

Which I covered in the explanation above and in my reply to him. Yeah of course he escaped. Because he was targetting Gremmy and not space. It was the only way he could get out. Gremmy's reality warping depends entirely on his concentration.

It's a separate pocket dimension/space given it's own environment that replicates space designed to trap whatever is enveloped in it, unless of course said target can cut through space. Guess what Kenny did? That's right, he cut out

There's nothing showing it's a separate dimension, as it's environment is replicated because Gremmy thought it up, not that it existed automatically. That's how the Visionary works. When Gremmy's concentration was disrupted out of his disbelief, Galaxy Void opened up again and the effects of space dissapeared. Otherwise Kenpachi's body fluids would have been shown being vaporized when he was walking out.

blah. good night.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Nope, looks like a tear to me that happens to be the width of the blade from Kenpachi stabbing outward. What does that all tell you?

That he was lucky he didn't swing his blade a second later?

Gremmy made that with the specific idea of trapping Kenpachi in something he shouldnt cut out of or escape. He did. And that is why he was surprised.

He was surprised, but it wasn't because Kenpachi cut out of something that he couldn't have. It was because Kenpachi cut him without cutting through Galaxy Void itself.

Just ahead of time. If you post the same thing again, were done.

Alright, how about if I ask this. Do you believe that Galaxy Void opens up a pathway to actual space or that Gremmy simply created a pocket space in which the effects of space are replicated. Because if you believe the latter, then that doesn't prove that Kenpachi can cut out of Kaguya's dimensions since Galaxy Void is just a pocket space in the same dimension that Soul Society is in.

@taichokage said:

Don't forget that Ken himself emerged after. That means either A. Ken cut out, or B. Gremmy opened it for him. Which do you think happened?

Or.. he simply cut Gremmy so he won't be sealed off in space forever? Since that would disrupt the technique. The hole became big enough that Kenpachi's whole body could fit through (hence why he emerged from it) after he cut Gremmy whereas the hole was clearly smaller prior. His target was Gremmy, not space. Why else would he target Gremmy and state that he "forgot to harden his body" instead of just breaking out of Galaxy Void.

You're not covering all the scenarios here.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Show me where he says that. All I heard in this chapter is terms like "This blade has no rival" and "there's nothing I can't cut" Want more proof of why I'm right?

He says "you forgot to harden your body".

Nope you didnt, Gremmy was shocked by a Blade cutting out of what he didnt expect.

Kenpachi simply cut Gremmy before he was completely closed off. The fact that Kenpachi only said "you forgot to harden your body" after Gremmy asked "what happened?" shows you that Kenpachi wasn't showing off Nozarashi's cutting ability, but rather he doesn't need to cut out of Galaxy Void to escape from it. He just needed to hit Gremmy before the hole closed up, and since Kenpachi figured out earlier that forgetfulness can affect Gremmy's reality-warping powers, he just needed to rely on that.

It even looks like a forced cut too. Did it just happen to be conveniently the width of Nozarashi as well?

No, that's just how the hole looks like when it's shrinking. Whether it's "conveniently" the width of Nozarashi has nothing to do with it. Point is that Kenpachi stuck his blade through the hole before it became too small for him to fit it through. Only reason why he didn't do it while the hole was massive as it is 'cause his body was also being affected by space. If he swung Nozarashi a second later, he would have stayed stuck there,.

Keep denying it man. We'll keep going at this as long as we have too.

y not. though I'm gonna have to git off sooner or later

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Genos runs Espada gauntlet

Genos has relativistic+ reactions from his laser-timing and blasted out large portions of two mountains - so city level seems like a decent DC level for him. He ought to be able to take out anyone except for Baraggan

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Kenny says his sword can cut through anything, thus Gremmy puts all an entire separate space over him which you cant logically cut thinking its the perfect counter,

Kenny cuts out and Gremmy is shocked and that's my proof since all that happened on panel.

Again lol. You haven't proved anything because your interpretation doesn't match up with what's going on on-panel. Gremmy pulling up Galaxy Void because it cannot be cut is correct here. Hence why he pulled it up. It's not to show that Nozarashi can truly cut through anything, when Kenpachi himself implied that it cannot in the same chapter. You don't think it's peculiar that Kenpachi didn't repeat the same statement when he supposedly-broke out of Galaxy Void? And I already explained why Gremmy was shocked - you haven't contradicted it yet.

It's funny how your only argument really is Kenpachi's telling Gremmy he didnt harden his body (something I've already addressed nonetheless), yet ignore all this and Kenny's other claim that there isnt a thing he cant cut.

Except Kenpachi himself implied that there is a limit to the things he cannot cut. Kenpachi HIMSELF contradicts his own claim. Gremmy doesn't make himself un-cuttable, he hardens himself to an extent beyond what his opponent should be capable of cutting. Kenpachi realized that Gremmy can harden his body beyond what Nozarashi can cut (unless he doesn't know the extent of Nozarashi), but took advantage of his forgetfulness as that's the only way he'd be able to cut him.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@phantomrant: Sounds to me like your own interpretation that your not backing up and even going against what I just posted.

But... I am backing up my claims. And of course I went up against what you posted. I'm contradicting YOUR interpretation of what went on.

Gremmy made that room specifically in mind to counter Kenpachi's sword with the idea Kenpachi couldnt cut what wasnt physical like everything he did until then. Kenpachi cut right out of it nonetheless.

You're supposed to prove that he cut out of it. Your entire argument revovles around Galaxy Void closing up before Kenpachi can fit through Nozarashi, yet there is nothing showing that. You don't have a premise to work on. So the only conclusion is that Kenpachi cut Gremmy before the hole closed up.

And? Kenpachi doesnt know the limits to Gremmy's power. He fought an opponent at that time he genuinely believes could make themselves unable to be cut.

Kenpachi knows Gremmy's hardening ability pretty well, seeing as how he knew Gremmy was able to casually make it so that he would be unscatched from the meteor explosion. Kenpachi has gotten through a less bloodlusted Gremmy's body before and takes it in as his pride that there's "nothing he could cut". Him implying that Nozarashi wouldn't have cut full-power Gremmy's hardened body says that he's not bullshitting you.

Everything about him cutting through space in that scan. You just choose to selectively ignore it

Still haven't proved anything. Nothing in that scan shows that he cut through space. You just choose to accept it without any evidence.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

They are when their proven wrong. Clearly their not, but your resorting to denial.

Except it's a wiki. Its accuracy isn't guaranteed. Using it as a source of accuracy isn't a good thing. Nor does it help your argument. Instead of using a fan wiki that is known for some inaccuracies, it is better to prove your argument.

You need to look back at the chapter where you're getting your scans from. Gremmy was in disbelief because he was confused as to why he was cut, not as to why Kenpachi broke out of the dimension. Kenpachi answered him by saying that it was because he forgot to harden his body. Nothing about him slicing through space or breaking out of anything. I know why Gremmy created Galaxy Void in the first place, hence why I said "Gremmy was right". The only thing he didn't count on was that Kenpachi would cut him before the hole closed up.

All your scans show is that Kenpachi fitted Nozarashi through the hole that connected space and Seireitei and sliced Gremmy. Nothing shows that he sliced through the fabric of space itself, and it is contradicted by the fact that Kenpachi himself implied that Gremmy would have tanked Nozarashi if he had hardened his body, showing that Nozarashi can be tanked by durability.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@phantomrant: That's a reply to somebody else. This pic clearly shows the hole something his blade produced since it was already completely out to cut Gremmy.

How does it show that the hole was something carved out by his Nozarashi? All that it shows is that Kenpachi fitted Nozarashi through the hole to cut Gremmy and him pulled himself out of it now that the technique is disrupted.

Both Bleach wiki and Superpowers wiki even recognize this as a spacial cutting feat he did too. Your implying anybody can escape just by stepping out of it.

lol

1. Both wikis are unreliable fan sources and have their own weaknesses

2. This is the same Bleach Wiki that claims that Byakuya is superior to Nimaiya in Shunpo, that Isshin dodged Aizen's Raikouhou rather than tanking it despite no scan showing such, along with other unproven statements.

3. Superpowers wiki is irrelevant. I

4. If you looked into Kenpachi's talk page, you would notice that someone actually pointed out that Nozarashi didn't cut into the fabric of space but rather that he "he cut one of Gremmy's clones through the closing gap, allowing him to break through". Thus, the bit about Kenpachi cutting into space is being called into question by the same source you're citing.

I don't see why anyone can just step right out of it, when the fact that space is vaporizing your body hinders your mobility to do so. So no i'm not implying anything of the sort.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Wrong. He was BFR'd right from the start and couldnt logically escape due to being within a pocket space. Still cut his way out via his sword's ability to cut through even space. Please do tell me when Kenpachi had problems cutting through Gremmy post-Nozarashi too.

He was not BFR'ed. Where was it shown that Galaxy Void's hole closed him off? The only thing that was shown was that he was getting his body fluids vaporized and all because he was exposed to the presence of space. Nothing shows that the hole closed in completely. No, Kenpachi cut Gremmy before he was sealed off in space, as that is the only logical conclusion based on what we see.

And I don't know why you're asking me the last bit when I've never stated the sort.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Just Manga » Manga that should have an anime adaptation

@SonNeko said:

Also One-Punch Man.

A dream come true

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

@phantomrant: Gremmy thought the same thing when he BFR'd Kenpachi to space right before Kenpachi hacked his way out of it. This has been posted three times on the same page too.

And Gremmy was right. Kenpachi didn't hack his way through anything. He simply stuffed Nozarashi through Galaxy Void before it closed in on him and it hit Gremmy. The only difference now is that Yomotsu Hirasaka's hole is much smaller than Galaxy Void's that there would be nothing to fit through by the time Kenpachi realizes his situation.

@luthluth said:

He can cut space apparently lol

But that's not what he did. Plus it wouldn't make sense that Nozarashi can cut through space itself, essentially bypassing durability, when Kenpachi himself implied that it wouldn't cut through Gremmy if he had hardened his durability.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Byakuya & Kenpachi vs Juubito & Juudara

Juubijins stomp with just their Gudoudamas.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@CosmicKnight75 said:

Kenpachi cuts right out if it and splits her in two for a such a boring attempt at winning.

wuh

Kenpachi isn't cutting out of anything.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Shikai Kenpachi Zaraki vs Kaguya

@ohplease said:

Quick question. If any Juubi powered character can basically use every technique in the series, what can Kenny do against Kaguya?

Where are you getting this? They are able to access all elements - doesn't mean they know how to use all techniques.

anyway kenpachi gets dropped into another dimension

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Third Raikage vs Jozu

@Hatshinit said:

Didnt raikage have hard time breaking a wall?

No, he very easily shattered layers of solid rock. It's just the lava-rubber that he had trouble piercing to (until he reduced the number of fingers he was using to three).

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Third Raikage vs Jozu

I think Sandaime has a better chance at winning. They're comparable in speed but A has better reflexes which is more valuable between two barehanded fighters. He also has better stamina and endurance in case the battle draws out. It would be difficult for the Raikage to pierce into Jozu's diamond DF with his nukite because diamond is specialized in tanking cutting attacks like Mihawk's. But Jozu has not shown that he could cover his whole body in diamond, so that leaves other spots for the Raikage to target.

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Kakashi and Guy vs Yammy and Ulquiorra

@Captivated said:

Also, Tite Kubo supervised Bleach Hell Verse, meaning he allowed for H2 Ichigo's Cero to be powerful enough to destroy dimensional planes.

Doesn't matter when it's not canon (meaning it is still a separate continuity from his own manga work).

Post by phantomrant (1,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Battles » Dracule Mihawk runs the Espada Gauntlet

Only Ulquiorra and the bonus trio will win udner these conditions.

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