Saitama can speedblitz + one-shot both of them now what with being relativistic+.
Saitama can speedblitz + one-shot both of them now what with being relativistic+.
What feats do they base this on?
Ichibei's crossing 1000 ri feat.
Though, an alternate translation says that Bach was punted because he was within 1000 ri of Ichibei, rather than he was being punted 1000 ri away. There's no proof that he was sent flying fully up to that distance by the time Ichibei appeared above him, especially since scans show that the Royal Palace was still well within sight and Ichibei was able to punt Bach back to it with a simple strike of his brush. Plus, a 1-second assumed timeframe (which would give mach 10,000+) is very unlikely, though it shouldn't go above 10 seconds either. So the feat is not much more defined than any other Bleach speed feat.
Remove the Namek Saga fighters and we have a decent match
IC: Guts from Berserk. Thinking Afro, as well.
Bloodlusted: Ninja Master Gara and Straight Cougar
With millions of lives:
Ryuho and Kazuma.
There are a lot more.
Bleach sprits are made up of reshi, spiritual particle, though have a physical effects also have intangibility properties shown many times than I can remember.
Before this becomes into a intangibility argument , I’m not saying the characters are ,I’m saying reshi are questionably intangible . By default destroying your theory that REAL world atoms and spiritual particles are same.
Atoms don’t behave like this.
That was not my argument at all.....
My argument was that Minority World can induce minority particles that Ichiryuu can manipulate both within reishi and atoms, regardless of how they normally behave since that is the very mechanic of Minority World. Reishi will behave like minority atoms once Minority World acts upon it.
EVA_01 explains it quite nicely too.
@phantomrant: If you don't see what I mean I have no business talking with you. It's elementary.
Great. Good to see you no longer can support your argument.
Powerscaling doesn't really work in Hellsing. We can't assume that because Anderson was a match for Alucard that he is now a bullet timer because Alucard stomped Luke Valentine. Valentine was still outright dodging a hail of bullets while Anderson still could only raise his arms to defend his more vital areas. There is no feat suggesting that Anderson can catch or dodge/pluck bullets out of the air. However there are plenty for Sebastian, and he does it casually.
Wrong. Powerscaling works just fine in Hellsing as it does in any other verse. Why would Hellsing possibly be an exception among other verses?
If Anderson was a match for Alucard, then his combat reactions and speed IS comparable to his. Anderson may not have Valentine's agility or flashiness in dodging what's coming at him, but he sure does have far better reactions and close combat speed than Valentine ever will, proven by the fact that he was able to actually move at a speed that caught Alucard off guard while the same could not be said for Luke Valentine. Saying that he could "ONLY" raise his arms in defense is completely baseless. Anderson has more than sufficient reflexes to move his head away or parry bullets. But he does not, because it is IC of him to tank things through. His bayonets would shatter upon impact against Alucard's bullets. Why attempt to cut them when said bullets would literally bounce off his body? It wastes less effort.
He has several feats of reacting to bullets, blitzing bullet timers, keeping up and matching characters who are hypersonic+, and is leagues above characters who do have casual bullet timing feats like Valentine and Alhambra. He doesn't need to catch or dodge bullets to tag Sebastian in close range when he can already tag much faster characters once they're within reach.
Regardless, there's a big difference between raising your arms and plucking bullets out of the air when it comes to speed, and I see nothing giving Anderson something to close such a massive gap when it comes to that speed.
Except you're ignoring other feats as well and trying to downplay Anderson by analyzing what he didn't do in a singular, narrow feat. Anderson has blitzed Alucard who can "pluck" bullets at point-blank range as well. The same Alucard who can catch a magic bullet several times faster than the 19th century one that Sebastian caught. So do tell me despite canon evidence showing Anderson tagging and clashing with characters who are much faster than what Sebastian's feats give him, why it is that Anderson cannot tag a slower character such as Sebastian?
Sebastian lacks any real speed advantage aside from the fact that he's more agile and can maintain a higher speed while running over longer distances (which is only useful in dodging Anderson's bayonets from a distance as opposed to up-close). Anderson is still superior in reactions and combat speed based on who he's fought, which is very reliable powerscaling given Anderson's own tier in his own verse, regardless of whether he chose to dodge/pluck bullets or not. He has the feats to back up whatever you think he was lacking in his bullet-timing.
those are two different things . it's been mentioned atoms and reishi don't mix well. Why would atomic manipulation work on something that isn't made of & doesn't mix well with atoms.
I don't see the relevance of the first statement (and I would like the scan of where it actually says that, as the citation provided by Bleach Wiki does not support that interpretation). Second statement - it's not atomic manipulation.....
I find it hard to believe that ichiryuu can kill spirits.
Where.... are you getting this? Bleach spirits are physical, made of flesh and blood, and can be killed. Ichiryuu is not gonna have a problem killing any one of them.
@phantomrant: and what if there was no BFR
Then I wouldn't know until I see this manga moon level feat scan.
Saitama may very well not need speed equal since Genos has a laser-timing feat from recent chapters (relativistic reactions; reacted to several beams of light from a robot), and Saitama can casually speedblitz him.
@phantomrant: If Anderson was really bullet timing he would have gotten out of the way of the bullets or sliced them while moving around them. He did not, he had to try to protect himself by raising his arms
You asked for bullet-timing feats and I provided them. Bullet timing at the baseline is reaction to bullets. Doesn't matter how he bullet-timed, but he reacted TO them. Anderson always tries to tank things rather than dodge them, so his choice of protection rather than moving his head out of the way or slicing them in half (which he can do anyway - although they would shatter upon impact - so he was smart not to do so) doesn't discredit it as a bullet-timing feat.
and his arms weren't actually fast enough to keep up, you can see his arms and bullets move at the same time, there is no comparison.
I don't know watchu mean.
I'm not going to argue any further on this based on those two showings, he isn't bullet timing, ask anyone else and they'll tell you the same thing. Sebastian is plucking bullets out of the air while his back is turned while already holding a pot of tea. Anderson can only raise his arms to try and protect himself. Based on this Sebastian wins because Alexander cannot tag Sebastian.
Is there a particular reason as to why you're not responding to the last point of my previous post? Or how I've repeated over and over again that he's known for speedblitzing casual bullet timers? Because whether or not Anderson has bullet-timing feats or not doesn't change the fact that he's going to blitz Sebastian once he's within 1-2 meters. Sebastian only plucked a bullet once, and that was a chapter 4 feat IIRC.
Shimigamis are made up of spiritual partials,everything in soul society is made up off it . the very essence is a different fictional material, I think it shouldn't work.
What do you guys think?
Yes. Minority World works by enacting the Square Root Law upon micro-particles. In the Toriko World (and most fictional verses), those micro-particles would be atoms. But it still applies to the Bleach World in that reishi is targeted. Reishi still makes molecules and cells, so that's no reason why Minority World cannot be used to manipulate the minority atoms (or minority "reishi" if you care) that exist in the bodies of Shinigami and Hollows.
@phantomrant: what if speed was equal?
They can still send Team OPM into the Altar dimension.
Seems like a pretty decent series to watch one day when I get a chance.
Oh yes, it's a great series. Though the art quality can be meager, the OST and style of the series are great, and it has an action-packed plotline as well as good characterization and interactions between the cast. There is a very cool charry from there named Straight Cougar who's also one of my most favorite anime characters of all time.
@SMXLR8: wow that's pretty short. Was the series always strong or was it towards the end that they get OPish,
First several episodes Kazuma was at multi city block/town level for splitting a cliff and a cloud. half-way through the series kazuma and ryuho was able to produce a collision shockwave that leveled some mountains and threatened the island they were fighting on (and this was an actual island seeing as there was a city in it and it was only part of the island). So they were city/mountain level, there.
It was only episodes 24-26 when they showed their BFR hax and country-level firepower.
Manga Kazuma could actually solo.
@phantomrant: i'm just saying, we don't know the size of the land for sure, nor the shape or layout. like i said, it could just be a large chunk of land that cuts off into an abyss, we simply don't know. it could be moin level, judging by the sealing Naruto and Sasuke did and the amount of earth they used, but that's the highest i see it going honestly
Uh... we have a pretty good minimum for the size of the land. The minimum being moon level+. Layout? The dimension is referred to as a mountaneous region, so I guess it's all made of rock. We have a pretty good estimate on the shape. From the viewpoint we have of the panel where we see the moon, we can deduce that the dimensional body is spherical. And even if it's not, you could certainly put in a few more of those craters on what we see on-panel, so the Gudoudama would still be multi-moon level (it wouldn't be just moon level seeing as it only took up part of the land that we see on-panel.) I highly doubt that any of the dimensions had an abyss (that isn't outer space), seeing as they are supposed to be specific embodiments of particular elements/themes.