@othus12: One of the best scenes in DB lol
multi continental fight right there.
What happened to debaters these days o.o
Vegeta's a planet buster ( Pre-Ape ) for the following reasons.
- Goku and the Z fighters can sense powerlevels, they should know if it's a bluff.
- Piccolo at 400 busted the moon, which makes it logical for Vegeta at this level to bust a planet ( Don't give me that pitiful outlier excuse ).
- Vegeta busted the planet on anime ( Non-Canon but gives us an idea ).
And yes cell's statement is true, but...
...1 - He can probably only do it by busting the sun.
...2 - No current Goku cannot bust the galaxy even if we powerscale from this, the difference between the solar system and the galaxy is like a human and the sun.
If we go by feats then yes Juubi wins this, but don't forget, many characters are weak without feats, one example of this would be One-Above-All. Thus we should also consider reasonable statements and powerscales.
1.- powerlevels are bullshit and everyone knows that. (tao pai pai at 210 got killed by a grenade and youre telling me piccolo at 400 is moon level? BS outliner)
2.-its not a pitiful excuse. following arcs put the ginyu force at continental to moon level DC (reecome example) and frieza at planetary. otherwise why would the alleged multi moon level krillin be impressed by a continent level blast? it doesnt add up.
3.-non canon. going by that buu is universal.
4.-nope. cell cannot sun bust since his DC doesnt add up EVEN with powerscailing. buu was stated to destroy hundreads of planets in a span of years.
you can fit in the sun over a million earths so its impossible for cell to destroy in one go what took years for buu to perform (and he still wasnt close).
and even if he destroyed the sun that's not solar system level, that's star level. the scope is VERY different as destroying the sun would just cover an area up to mars. WHICH would also kill him.
5.-the truth is you are just scailing from the most convenient plot holes of dragon ball (hence you mention the anime and piccolo's moon bust) going by a plausible scale planet level starts at frieza and vegeta in any prior form is moonish level.
@BarThaRipper: this is what we call an outlier. an outlier is a feat done by a character that is only done once, and is much more powerful then what they normally show to be capable of.
for instance: Spiderman beating up a Herald of Galactus. is it apart of the story? yes. is it official? yes. was is a legit feat? nope. Spidey is only a 25 tonner with hypersonic reactions, nowhere near Herald level.
see what i'm trying to say? Roshi did indeed blow up the moon, it did happen, but its an outlier, and thus he's only consistently a city-to mountain buster. nowhere near moon level.
Lol I know what an outlier is, the infamous Batkick is a good example of one but for some reason I have never found Roshi's moon feat that unbelievable. Its a debate that's been going on for years and it certainly wont end now lol I get both POV's, it really does not make sense, but it wouldn't be DB's only inconsistency.
roshi's feat is very unbelievable when you realize tao pai pai who was stronger got killed by a grenade.
all the kings have fought against flying enemies before so i dont think that's a big advantage. zebura himself can fly.
now of all the kings id say coco is the biggest threat with the 100% addictive devil poison and the lightspeed mold spear.
on team 2 ichibei would be the biggest threat but idk if he can keep up with the kings.
kaguya and hedricksen arent gonna be of much use here because neither can take toriko's 100 ren twin kugi straight on and with the conduct of the king on its gonna be unlikely for them to dodge.
@SonNeko: Now that I think about it, that's clearly a Superhuman feat. And the rules said No Superhuman feats allowed.
you are right, that's not valid at all. i can only allow scans that are within the rules
@luthluth: nosh hardened his body for oozara tate. he did that so that AIR wouldnt crack his head (arguably the impact would have killed him if it wasnt for the shield). the rest of the body held AIR and if you can see his body was actually weakened by the technique. the problem IMO wasnt the weight but the actual impact.
so in fact nosh actually held AIR with a weak body, his full strenght was used as defense against the impact.
just my theory TBH.