@5th: qhahhahahahahahaahahahah bijuu dama continental? LOL the strongest seen so far is city level.
that's the current power scale
@DevilMayhem666:That's assuming walking none stop at the same pace
which is something most bleach characters can do.
and actually i made that image. sorry to say, kubo failed(since he is not an engineer or something like that) on the scale but the actual size of seiretei is stated.
And 1200km is not greater than Germany, which is 357,021 km²
do the math. germany is 850 KM long and 650 km width. seiretei is 1200km long and width. so its far bigger than germany
@Jinbeifan1: seiretei is a 10 day walk from one end to the other the average walking speed is 5km/h
5*240 (10 days) = 1200km
1200km is longer than germany.
@5th: madara hasnt shown anything to put him even at low country level.
@Jinbeifan1: well...that's how it is. i really cant say a thing about it when we have such a solid number.
@DevilMayhem666: there is no country level feat for naruto characters yet.
+Nope, we were talking about whether freeza wins without speed equalization
i really wasnt. debate over then.
@eddz99: frieza speedblitzes
why would you believe that? midora has precognition and relativistic reflexes. not to mention minority world to further fuck with frieza's movement.
krillin's disk which takes shorter charge time than his other attack has a better potency
krillins case is quite different, as destructo disk doesnt fit into the PL scheme, it seems more like a hax and krillin treat it that way. i still wonder why he was surprised it didnt worked on cell despite him being several times weaker.
But still though, you have yet to show him tanking a planet level attack on the face, you cannot call that planet level since it was not shown to destroy the planet itself, like you said right
the attack itself can harm planet level entities such as super saiyan goku. there is no need to prove anything.
Piccolo charged the special beam cannon when he busted the moon?
yes he did btw its the sexiest special beam cannon ever lol
unless you mean the time he blew up the moon without a special beam cannon. that was a normal energy blast.
cannot accept that frieza can beat midora without speed equalization.
we were talking about power levels, not speed.
I meant the whole area of the solar system to take out all the planets and the sun in one attack.
the attack with the biggest AoE in the entire series was final flash. whatever made you think they can go bigger than that?
when i tried to scale it to our solar system i couldnt because the image wouldnt go any smaller.
if you try to convince me that cell can somehow make an attack 1 million times bigger than vegeta's final flash you are gonna have a bad time.
if kenpachi pulls a one shot on that meteor then we will have a new HST king. and the first country level character on the HST for that matter.
@eddz99: , how will we know that burter is indeed weaker than ginyu
maybe because for one goku made a fool out of burter and 2 it is stated that ginyu was the strongest.3rd: common sense since ginyu was indeed more troublesome than burter.
6666 planets is nowhere near the size of a solar system lel.
there are 8 planets in the solar system. 6000 its just ridiculous. unless you mean 6000 mercury sized planets. but even then frieza didnt insta bust an earth sized planet at 50% of his power so yeah.
Did it destroy the planet? Lelno, then how could you say it can?
the size of the blast was as long as earth. and it devours any matter in its way. its an attack that can kill most dragon ball characters bro it just doesnt have the AoE ki blasts do. to put it in another way: gohan would be able to stop vegeta's final flash but he would fail to stop ou shoku bashi. on the other hand final flash can destroy a huge planet but ou shoku bashi cannot because of the AoE.
Piccolo's masenko is stronger than special beam cannon? Really? Fact it is? k. lel you're now using speculations -.-
i alredy said this but here it goes again: we can also see the power by the time it takes to charge. go read my post again.
Who told you that? Not me lel i only stated the frieza beats midora in speed and firepower, only way midora can win is hax.
all of midora's attacks are hax. your argument has no point at all.
Solar system includes the space between the planets
since when dragon ball characters can destroy empty space?
am i the only one who thinks night guy is ridiculously overpowered?
@eddz99: Powerlevel WAS the only valid powerscale BEFORE android saga, you calling it bullshit and forcing it on others is like saying you created dragonball lel
its not. you have valid feats that dont rely on power level such as frieza destroying namek. nappa's two finger blast, piccolo destroying the moon etc. you can scale from feats. no need for PL. it just over complicates things. vegito would be able to fight galactus if power levels worked its just common sense bro.
cell was STATED to be able to bust a solar system lelelelel
6666 planets> solar system level good thing you arent making any sense for your arguments. since according to you frieza is above cell. BTW cell is by no means a solar system buster.
when you show on panel Midora tanking a planet busting attack on the face then you can stand up to my argument, at most he dies at a continental attack to the face.
planet sized atomic eraser. this thing can put a hole through pretty much anything made out of matter.and yeah, there is no dragon ball character that has shown resistance to atomic level destruction yet midora has. i put it literally as you wanted, a planet level attack to the face.
You do know that if he fired a weaker blast then ssj goku would've been able to deflect it right? Even krillin's disk who cannot bust the earth can cut nappa who obviously can tank a moon busting to the face, capacity doesn't matter on DBZ, it's the potency, so they don't need to show it on PANEL.
the concept of potency only works when they are different characters. i understand smaller ki blasts from buu are stronger than those big from cell. however if its the same character for example vegeta, the bigger the ki blast the stronger it is. FACT.
i have never seen a smaller ki blast from the same person to be stronger than his bigger one. UNLESS he went under a powerup. and results in a different version of the character.
example: super vegeta
-average ki blasts which have pretty good potency but nowhere near as vegetas final flash which was extremely huge. the damage done to cell further proves my point as final flash demolished cell's body while his ki spam did nothing. we can also see the power by the time it takes to charge.
in the end the center of my argument is that DB characters arent as strong as you think they are. its common sense not to put them at skyfather levels.
@ImDictatorBowDown: laser pointers are lightspeed. that wasnt an energy based weapon or anything. it was a laser. end of the story.
@eddz99: 1. Frieza was exhausted from fighting goku
2. It was obviously done for plot reasons.
3. You do realize that this proves the validity of the calculation right?
pure wankness. even a full power final flash was stated to be able to destroy earth, nothing more. (not even close to 6000 planets lol)
math doesnt work on power levels because they are bullshit. when they show on panel frieza destroying several planets then we can talk. until then frieza is at most a planet buster.
plot reasons seems to me a pathetic excuse so that you can overly wank DBZ. frieza showed a MASSIVE ki blast when he intended to destroy namek. so he was at the very least using 50-70% of his power. he held back so that it didnt get instantly destroyed but still if we use your calc it means he attacked goku with 0.1% of his power considering the resulting ki blasts were much smaller than what he used against the planet.
@gokugx: hax is a type of ability that doesnt take into account strenght and often bypasses durability.
an example of hax would be reality warping, time stop, soul suck, etc.
a good example of a hax series would be JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE. the verse is full of hax. the actual characters are building level but with their abilities tehy triumph even over dragon ball or saint seiya characters.
@eddz99: 6666.6666667 Planets the size of earth lel.
you realize that's an epic fail of a calc right? considering he failed to one shot namek.