@IndridCold: in fact frieza cant even take revenge on the guy who actually killed him.
@CosmicKnight75: he achieved enlightenment. nuff said.
@phantomrant: Unless you have a scan of logias being immune to said chemicals, there's no reason you should interpret their logia bodies to be immune to them when there's no evidence of that being the case here.
when there is no evidence and you claim something, the burden of proof lies on you bro. debating 101. you have no evidence on poisons affecting intangible logias, i however, have envidence on logias not being affected by anything but haki, kairoseki and natural enemies of the fruit. your move.
It's obvious that they're not.
maybe, maybe not. its up to the author, not you. until there is a statement on that this is a moot point and you should drop it. specially since such a concept doesnt exist in one piece.
No he can't. He's never shown the ability to transverse multi-country distances with that ability (which is the AoE of Madara's CT), so no he's really not going to escape it. Plus, seeing as he needs some time to actually use it, the technique would have already been disrupted as he's being pulled in by the CT.
he just needs to get to the ground and he is safe pretty much like how sakura was. (kakashi too btw)
Logias have to either enter their logia state by reflex when an attack hits or activate it and keep it on prior to an attack. But it's been shown that they can be caught off guard and contacted physically without Haki
examples of logias getting caught off guard without haki involved? besides logia+haki = unblitzable. unless madara is FTL?
Reacting to a bullet from a fodder is something effortless on Kizaru's part, and I do agree that he may be unconscious of it, because that's what a reflex is, and what's how he survived the music attack a few chapters afterwards. But attacks faster than his reflexes as well as ones that he cannot react to bypasses that intangibility, and that's what Limbo is for.
totally useless when kizaru has kenbunshoku haki and you know it. and wether it was a reflex or constant intan we dont know. you are speculating again.
It's not useless seeing as I listed a variety of hax that is effective against Kizaru, attacks that can disperse him beyond regeneration, as well as potential attacks that can harm him like Haki (though that's arguable and I'm not going to get into that).
this is going to be very amusing.
1.- please show me how you calced the treshold for kizaru's intangibility?
2.- you mentioned a variety of attacks that either dont work on kizaru or cannot be proven to work on kizaru.
And yes, please do provide scans for your claims.
what would you like to get a scan of? im simply denying your speculations because there is no ground for debate on that matter. by the way you are the one who should be providing scans.
personally i would like to see:
1.-statement from a character or the author claiming that intengible logias can be dispersed beyond regen
2.- logias being affected by other things outside devil fruit natural enemies,haki, kairoseki and water.
3.- the statement where it says kizaru's light is a fluid (though that makes absolutely no sense!)
What? Are you implying Madara is at Luffy level, lol?
luffy has better reaction feats, its solid evidence. madara got blitzed by 8 gates guy and black setzu. kinda out of topic nonetheless considering its kizaru who we are talking about, not luffy.
Kizaru's light is fluid and physical, not much different from Akainu or Aokiji.
Kizaru is light and is made of light when he is in his light mode.
yeah, because he wasnt light when brook tried to stab him multiple times right?
obviously he was some sort of ghost then.
All Madara has to do is tag him when he's not in his light mode, in order to attack. Although there's less soul ripping and more atomizing flesh parts with Omnyoten
both are gonna go trough kizaru's body because he is a guy with precognition and, as far as we know on a permanent lightmode.
good luck trying to atomize what has no atoms.
That's not how logias work. Just because Kizaru has a DF that can cahnge him into light photons doesn't mean his body composition cannot be affected by everyday chemical agents like everyone else in the verse
scans of logias affected by poison/everyday chemical agents?
. That's like saying he's immune that logias are immune to mind control because their brains are made of magma, light, or whatever.
in fact we dont know for sure. just because you dont think its possible doesnt mean it actually is. this doesnt serve as an argument whatsoever (typical strawman fallacy)
No it does not have to. Kizaru gets attracted to a gravity sphere like everything else. You dont need black hole level gravitiatonal attraction to disrupt light, and you don't need that level of gravity to pull in someone who is by all means still physical.
he can escape easily from something like that with yata no kagami. for light to not be able to escape from gravity you would need a black hole.
He'll grab him when he's physical, which he will be 99% of the time.
scans where he says he is physical 99% of the time? remember when he arrived at shabondy and somebody shot him? that's right his intan was on. in fact you could say he is light 99% of the time without even being concious of that.
in fact kizaru can touch people and be intangible at the same time. proven by how he was stepping on zoro and ignoring brook's attacks all at the same time.
Madara has so much more going for him in his arsenal than what your interpretation of the Pika Pika no Mi is giving for Kizaru.
a useless arsenal TBH. and its not an interpretation, its pure one piece logic. i can provide scans on every claim i have given.
He's never going to get to those 100 kicks at the speed of light, seeing as he doesn't have the combat reactions to kick immediately after he exits his light form. Madara will intercept him while Kizaru is charging up an attack like WB did. Perfect time for soul-ripping. It's a terrible idea for Kizaru to try into CQC with Madara. Kizaru's kicks aren't even going to put Madara down. They don't have an ounce of Gai's Night Moth kicking power (that still failed to kill Madara), plus it's easy for Madara to quickly regenerate before Kizaru can execute another attack, defend himself with an Omnyoten barrier, or bash Kizaru aside with Limbo. Kizaru has nothing going on for him against Madara.
even luffy dodged lightbeams. kizaru is above him so rectionwise he is far above madara. (thanks to haki)
i would love to see scans of madara soul ripping BTW. your argument is totally out of character.
like i said 1 million times, madara needs to grab the opponent in order to perform soul suck. he cant grab light.
fight takes place on Toriko planet (yes, the whole thing) they start 40 feet apart in a square (and no planet busting!!)
The fight annoys one of the 8 kings, who proceed to solo.
If it were multiple 8 Kings I could agree. But one of the 8 Kings (based on the 2 we know somewhat) could not solo these 5.
we have yet to see a serious king. heracles was barely trying and bambina's below casual feat outclasses anything these guys have done (except for jin mo ri IIRC)