@Jinbeifan1: i see komatsu as a relatable character, its pretty much what would happen to normal people like us if we were to travel with toriko. i think that's pretty epic. though he does need more power to stand out. nobody is gonna convince me that he can cook dishes that nearly killed frohze without having some sort of power. that would be ridiculous.
BTW im pretty sure joa is stronger than the 3 disciples. she's the only one to have ever eaten acacia's full course and still live up to date.
@Redmonkeyssj4: he's talking about potency.
Yet it's an acceptable feat by buu.
its not. its non cannon.
@eddz99: that's why i dont like debating on DBZ. people take the feats they like and disregard everything else.
You do realize even SSJ Vegito had a hard time getting through rage buu's aura right? And he didn't know buu had such power.
you do realize that was filler right??
people usually tend to understimate how much i know DBZ but in fact i do know what im talking about.
he could have ended the fight at any point.
wow i cant get to upload a single scan due to the site bugging out.
ill try to get as many as posible tho.
@eddz99: ill prove it. Z characters are only lightspeed for a couple of meters.
5 Minutes? It was less than that, besides it was obviously plot device, either he was tired or pure plot device, like Vegeta wasn't fast enough to travel to where yamcha was, or he had to use IT to get to where buu was.
goku admits he cant make it in time. if he were lightspeed he would make it in time no matter where he was.
King Kai not being able to see him despite being able to see him despite seeing space pods, which can't be a plot device because the story woudv'e been the same ( It was obviously not in meters ).
you can see a plane clearly in the sky, yet you can barely see a speeding car if its close to you. we dont know how big of a perspective kai had when watching the pods.
Raditz dodging special beam canon point blank, and it was SIDESTEP which should be slower than running.
this totally backs up my point. check this out:
he dodges by a milimeter but fails to outrun a weaker attack in the long run (around 10 meters)
How can he be 1000x slower if it's not meters distance, even for dashing it would only be 5x faster.
bad writing. goku was calced at mach 27 due to the time it took him to cross the snake way. yet at this point he was stronger than raditz.
Even a trash tier (Start of Z - Namek) showed a relativistic feat, goku was top tier at this point.
if an obviously stronger character performs a lower end feat we can consider the first one an outliner.
lets get to the point. when toriyama was asked what was the distance between DB earth and the moon he said that it was the same as IRL but he answered like he didnt previously knew until someone asked him that question. in other words the whole relativistic beam feat wasnt intended by him.
@taichokage said:Yeah of course Vegito could solo Toriko world as they are. But he could also solo DBZ before BoG. That's not a great comparison I don't think. I agree with what you said though.
He can't, really.
He stops at buuhan, he cannot get through the barrier without ssj.
you realize he was toying with buuhan at all times right? and he only got absorbed to save his friends.
Isn't ssj goku FTL?
I don't know. Nobody does.
He is, given Raditz's near relativistic feat at start of Z (Dodging special beam cannon which reached the moon in seconds)
King kai not being able to see him (Despite being able to see the space pods that travel at the speed of light)
Traveling half a planet in an instant (Pre ssj)
goku traveling half the planet wasnt really true.
he himself at ssj said he wouldnt reach his ship in the 5 minutes namek was about to explode.
goku is a little above lightspeed on a meters distance.