I give up lol
Marco is not Admiral lvl
He is some how weaker than Don - literally the first big test for the SH in the new world lol
Ohh & Ace is weak too.
Don easily stopped diamond Jozu who had enough strength to throw a 100 000+ ton iceberg he also has strong haki. Lol Kizaru was toying with Marco and so was Akainu, he is in no way on par with either of the admirals. Ace is a weakling and a disappointment with absolutely no haki and should be at pre time skip smoker level at best. Cant you guys see Don solos hes stronger than you think putting law into the equation equals even bigger rape.
Kizaru always acts like that, the only time his persona changed was in film Z. Its not in Akainu nature to toy with someone + his target was to kill Luffy he wanted to kill him as fast as possible so he was not toying with Marco. Well he is one of the very few to fight them evenly.
Ace using HH as a child.
Pre-time skip smoker lvl are you joking. Ace was able to fight Jinbei for 5 days.
Isn't that a bit of an assumption on your part? Don wasn't scared of Aokiji. In fact Aokiji was worried about Don to the point where he had Smoker inform Akainu who is essentially his rival. He said Don is currently the biggest threat to the Marines at the moment. Not saying he's as dangerous as a Yonko but the Yonko as far as we know are not plotting things to the extent Don is. If Aokiji felt that Don were such a great threat, wouldn't he have stopped him then and there if he thought he could? Don had no inherent reason to fight Aokiji, but Aokiji was very concerned about Don's motives. Who was afraid of who I wonder. Don didn't seem scared to me. Someone who can own two Warlords without breaking a sweat must be of around Admiral caliber at the very least.
If you look back at the scan Don was breathing heavily after braking out of the ice so I do not believe it was done casually like people say. Don is the biggest threat to the new Marine hq not because of his own powers or crew but what his actions/deals have set in motion. It is because he is continuously supplying the 'strongest beast in the world' with DF users. Don may have other schemes and what not but as far as we know he supplies weapons and the like to other countries. Kuzan is not a marine anymore, why would he + he has his own agenda like Don said who is this Kuzan implying he is different from the time when he was carrying out his marine duties. Don is powerful and he is close to Admiral lvl. Just because he defeated Law (his past subordinate) does not make him Admiral lvl lol Law is a relative rookie to ways of the new world. Moria was already wounded from his battles during the war Don had help from many Kuma clones and still could not finish the job. Luffy is not scared of anyone does not mean he is Admiral lvl. Caribou was not scared of attacking the SH even with all their fame and exploits does not mean he is their lvl.
@taichokage: I agree. It is a very large stretch to say Don Isn't Admiral level. I'd say he was not afraid of Aokiji one bit. He kept a smile on his face the whole way through. The only reason I say he didn't fight Aokiji is because he was giving chase to Law & The Strawhats at the moment. If he had time on his hands like he did at Marineford, he would've fought and even possibly defeated Aokiji. It's just like
I say Smoker was of high priority as Don said he would have to use other means to ensure that Smoker did not talk. After all Smoker knew of his alias which could cause him to lose his status and be hunted by an Admiral. I do not get how you guys are determining his strength from him defeating Law, he has never engaged an Admiral lvl opponent. So he will have just miraculously defeated Kuzan?? I know Kuzan's only aim was stopping him from killing his friend. Don's aim was killing smoker which was of high priority he could not do this due to presence of Kuzan. Marco's ability is linear? Just because he does not have ranged attacks does not mean he cant own the other 2.@taichokage said:
I think Admiral level is held in too high an esteem. They aren't Yonko. There are still those on par with and above them. People readily accept that Mihawk is at minimum Admiral level and likely higher even though he's of the same rank and has fewer feats than Don. Seriously. Who else that isn't admiral level or higher can you think of that can trash 2 warlords (at different times) with almost no injury? In the power hierarchy of One Poece there isn't an established level between Admiral and Warlord, only some variation within the ranks. Also again, why didn't Aokiji take him down if he knew he was literally the biggest threat? That indicates he would either have come out with heavy injury or even more likely, would've lost. The only attack he used on Don didn't work after all, the same attack that worked on Diamond Jozu who fought on par with Aokiji.
Why should they not be the 3 admirals are considered the world governments greatest military powers. I only consider Mihawk that because he will be Zoro's last or 2nd to last opponent, he has to be on that lvl + he is the greatest swordsman in the world. If you consider the samurai's of wano where pirates and marines stay clear and Mihawk is above them all. There is clear hierarchy within the warlord ranks. The pre-time skip Admirals were all roughly the same strength albeit they each had there own advantages with their individual DF's.
Here's a rundown of why Don is so impressive.
His list of wins:
Law (Fellow Warlord) with ease,
Don was his captain and Law has not surpassed him in power yet. Not impressive to me I did not expect that battle to last longer than it did.
Moria (Fellow Warlord) with greater ease,
I have addressed this already.
Sanji (who is above pre skip Luffy, about Vice Admiral level) Fodderized him.
Sanji had no knowledge of his powers whereas Don was very informed not underestimating the SH. As stated by that shark cutter Vice Admiral guy that Maynard was a little punk highly suggests that their is great range in Vice Admiral lvls which should be obvious from the likes of Garp and all the other experienced/powerful Vice Admirals that were around in Roger's era.
Stopped Diamond Jozu effortlessly, someone who gave Aokiji a run for his money and was beating up fellow Warlord Crocodile,
Broke Aokiji's ice (something Diamond Jozu, pre skip Luffy and everyone else other than Whitebeard himself have failed to do so far),
Had a Vice Admiral and fellow Warlord under his command,
Has 3 subordinates he holds in equal esteem to Law (a Warlord) and in Trebol's case even higher,
Scuffled with Admiral Fujitora briefly with no injury,
His influence is second to no Pirate we've seen excluding arguably the Yonko, being able to overrule Fleet Admiral Akainu's orders and send for CP0 at his discretion, as well as put false information in the world news within hours, and most of all, he has close ties to Yonko Kaido.
And lastly he commands by far the strongest organization we've seen out of any Warlord. Easily above Barouque Works, the Fishman Pirates, Amazon Lilly, and Thriller Bark. This is another testimony to his might.
Those are all impressive. You will know soon why is not Admiral lvl in terms of strength.
No that scan does not indicate anything other than Issho attacking Law. I simply do not know where in that scan you gathered that from.
Just because he broke out of the ice does not suggest he can contend with Kuzan. Kuzan casually froze him and was not a single bit concerned that Don broke out. His subordinate was thankful ^& even suggested that the reason he broke out was because it did not reach his heart. If anything most people would agree that was a warning given by Kuzan to f*** off or else. The only other strong character to get frozen by Kuzan was Jozu albeit he was distracted by his captain.
Admiral level is taken too lightly.
Coyote busts a cap.
Yeah against the 6 Paths of Pain:
Coyote busts a cap in his ass.
Starkk goes Vash the Stampede, Death the Kid, Alucard all on Pein.
Stark completely incinerates Pain with his 1,000 Ceros, and then goes back to being lazy.
All of these basically, Stark wins.
Law has been shown to hang with Doflamingo & Issho does not mean he is as strong as either of them. He did not exactly 'hang' with Kuzan either he broke out the ice before it froze his heart as his crew member was really worried. A fight between people as powerful as Kuzan & Akainu would take long as they where evenly matched as Jinbei said. Don would not have lasted that long even if he was willing to fight which he himself knew to be idiotic. They never engaged in battle apart from Law & Don defending themselves from the meteor.
In full Phoenix mode he is intangible - well attacks bypass him so he has some sort of intangibility.
It should be assumed because Vergo is a vice admiral & vice admiral power level are far inferior to Admiral level which Marco is commonly believed to be for the right reasons. Doflamingo thought his right hand man had a superior enough haki to not be fazed by Law's slashing powers. As Law already said Doflamingo is overconfident and was practically basing Vergo wining on a beating that happened in Law's past.
I knew someone would say that. I know you do not believe the Admirals to be that weak that they have to team up against anyone apart from a Yonko or someone on that level.
Why would a prominent figure be scared of another prominent figure unless it is a Yonko level character or someone like Akainu because Akainu would have just killed him no two ways about it. Everybody knows Kuzans character all he was doing was preventing Don from harming Smoker further. Kuzan was prepared for a fight. Don walked away from it. Even Don said he needed Smoker to be quite as he knew too much, we all know now that it is vital information that he would kill to keep on the down low but he could not do anything with Kuzan there so he said he would have to find other means to keep Smoker quite. Doflamingo crew probably know him best, his crew mate was seriously concerned when he got frozen & was relieved when the ice did not freeze his heart yet.
Yes he also showed concern with Issho because the intel Don gathered on the 2 new Admirals was that the were beastly in terms of power & this was confirmed when Issho casually brought down a meteor.
Issho was never after Don, I believe he decided to attack them both because Caesar kept calling him Joker an infamous underground broker. Obviously words were discussed off panel & Law was Issho's target but Issho was still does not trust Don. Don constantly is trying to get Issho on side also.
Marco has better showing against people of Admiral level. Marco got distracted & double teamed that is the only reason he sustained any injury at all during the war.
We do not know if Ace had it or not, he probably did but as a logia never needed it/trained it.
Ace has infinite fire power at his disposal. It will take too much effort for Law or Don to put him down + this is a team battle Marco is not going to sit there & let them pick on Ace.
Madara wins until someone reopens this thread when Mihawk goes all out & shows his full power somewhere near eos hopefully we will be reading manga still when One Piece is due to finish.
Parasite will not affect his ability to transform even if it gets him so there is no way Mes will work & I know for a fact that everyone on this site would agree that Marco's haki is far superior to Law's.
Why does everyone presume Ace is weak. Its like saying Magellan is weak because he could not get through Mr. 3's candle wax until he used his strongest attack. If Ace wanted to get through Smoker I'm pretty sure he could have with his more devastating fire attacks but his aim was to allow Luffy & co to escape which he achieved. If Ace & Smoker were really equal then Smoker & co would have been able to follow after Ace did that fire net thing but they could not. Ace's DF is superior to Smokers but like Magellan & Mr. 3 there can be complications because of the nature of their powers.
I do not believe Doflamingo is Admiral level otherwise Law would not have stated that the marine hq Admirals will hunt him down. Even Akainu was confident that Issho would easily resolve the issue of both Law & Doflamingo. Doflamingo is not Admiral level. It would not have been stated so many times if was not the case.
Mihawk is either Zoro's final challenge or 2nd to last challenge before the eos, so naturally Mihawk will be at least above Admiral level.
Surely as soon as the strings touch him that part of his body would go up in flames like it did with Kizaru not slowing him down. None of Dons slashing attacks would harm Marco though. Marco is a bad match up for Don. I'm pretty sure with whats been shown that Marco has greater physical strength than Don shown when he was on 2 occasions able to kick 2 admiral lvl opponents a far distance whilst Don was only able to kick Law a couple meters away.
Don stopped an unsuspecting Jozu who was focused on Crocodile. Yeah Marco probably is not physically stronger but that does not mean Doflamingo will instantaneously catch him.
I was saying that simply because we have not seen him do it. How will bind them when they are in their element form in the masses.
Yeah I know Ace has not been shown to use BH. But it does not matter as none of the other team have logia users.
Ace is seriously underestimated.
Without Laws help Doflimingo will be useless against Marco with his regen.
Naruto fanboys have argued for as long as I can remember that everybody has chakra.
Well it has been revealed by Madara only people in the Naruto verse has the specific type of chakra from that Juubi tree fruit thing.