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Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ohgodwhy: Are you multiplying off of the last official power levels or just making a speculation using power levels. I'm asking because shouldn't Gogeta be able to destroy the Solar System like Cell was stated to be able to do?

I made up a little a maths formula on page 2, you can check it out if you like. It might not be entirely accurate but I was trying to take into account the minimum power required to take out planet Earth which I think I worked out to be about 9800. Then from that point on I just scaled upwards given the official power levels provided and in DBZ power levels are increased in a linear amount so it kind of makes sense. I came to the conclusion that Cell could probably have taken out a couple of planets with one blast, but didn't have anywhere near the power to live up to his claim.

I've heard the each transformation provided a x2 power up from the one before. This is also what's stated on DB wiki. SS3 Goku would have a power level of 600,000,000 at his very base form, obviously he was a lot stronger than this given his training. So if you think about it like that, Gogeta may not be x10 stronger but he definitely was at least twice as strong which is still massive nonetheless.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@eddz99: Afraid not. SS2 Gogeta has a power level 2,500,000,000 which if you put into my calculations still not enough power to destroy the Sun. It's not his official power level but it's the closest thing we have.

He might be able to trigger some kind of reaction which could cause the Sun to explode but I don't think he has the power to make the Sun explode using his own power.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » The Doctor(Doctor Who) vs Andriods 17 & 18

@Destinyheroknight: Why am I quoted in that post? lol

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Dracule Mihawk vs. Samurai jack

It was thought to be the only weapon that could defeat Buu. Think about it how could a sword increase your chances of defeating Buu. The Kai's themselves thought that by taking the sword out it would increase Gohan's power but it didn't.

Also, as far as I'm aware, the Kai's didn't make the sword. "Some time after this fusion, Old Kai was sealed by an enemy, which according to him was very powerful, but not as powerful as Majin Buu. He was sealed inside the Z Sword due to the enemy fearing his ability to raise a person's power gained from fusing with the witch." From DB wiki.

So in a way it was the only weapon that could defeat Buu. Not because of the sword itself but the person contained within the sword who could raise someone's power immensly, like how he did to Gohan.

The sword itself was definitely not that impressive.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » The Doctor(Doctor Who) vs Andriods 17 & 18

1 year prep lol. I'm fairly sure the Doctor could create a force field or something and an off switch for the androids. Also I'm sure the androids will let him have his monologue anyway, they didn't seem the type to be in any kind of rush.

Finally you said he can use the Hyperbolic time chamber so he could have 3 years if he wanted to, although I doubt he'd need it.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Dracule Mihawk vs. Samurai jack

@DBZ_universe: The Z sword was pretty much just a normal sword that was thought to have special powers but really just contained the elder Kai. Samurai Jack's sword was the real deal, pretty much unbreakable and forged by actual Gods. The only thing that I can remember that could stand up to Jack's sword was another magical sword like the Scotsman's Rune Claymore.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@Supreme Marvel: Lol I think you kind've trolled yourself really. Science also tells us that people can't fly using their chi and can't destroy the Earth with giant energy beams.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@TheVectorPrime: Frieza was also at 250,000 when fighting Nail and at another time he was at 20,000. 530,000 was his maximum power at first form so it's debatable whether or not he was even near 530,000 when he destroyed Planet Vegeta so he can change his power levels. Personally I don't think he was at full power when he destroyed Vegeta.

Yes I agree that they aren't star level busters though, both are calculations can agree to that.

You've gone even further off topic with that last post though lol. Although I don't think it really matters anymore seeing as it should be fairly obvious Thor wins this one.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@UNIQUE69 said:

@Newdeath this is the pic i found. i dont know where it came from or if its fake or what?

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Lol well there it is clear proof that Goku would destroy Superman.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Dracule Mihawk vs. Samurai jack

@jnw93: That's taken from OBD isn't it. They're known for over exaggerating facts. However having said that I looked at this thread earlier and I'm actually confused as to who would win this. I'm leaning towards Mihawk though given his feats of being able to create pressure waves with swings of his sword, being able to slice giant icebergs with ease, being able to decimate an entire fleet of ships with ease etc. Jack's got similar feats of being to cut giant monsters in half and being able to lift 700 ton sumos so it's fairly close tbh.

I don't know how OBD has stated that Jack can move at hypersonic speeds, I'd definitely need to see some evidence before I believed that. I'm pretty sure he can move near super sonic speeds though and he can deflect machinegun fire without too much difficulty so he's definitely up there in terms of speed. However Mihawk too has impressive speed feats such as completely repressing a Gear 2nd Luffy who can easily move at super sonic speeds and being able to deflect a cannonball with only a flick of the wrist.

As it currently stands I would lean towards Mihawk but if someone could provide solid proof about Jack's feats then I could convert.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@TheVectorPrime said:

@ohgodwhy said:

I get what you're saying, maybe it was just an exaggeration of power to hype Broly up and it makes sense via powerscaling. You raise a very interesting point actually so I've decided to do a bit of maths.

Vegeta when he fought Goku had a power level of 18,000 and he was going to destroy the earth before Goku stopped him. Now it obviously doesn't take someone with such a high power level to destroy the Earth seeing as Master Roshi was able to destroy the moon with a power level of 200 and Piccolo was able to destroy the moon with ease with a power level of around about 3000. (Estimates take from the official Daizenshuu guides). If we take the minimum amount of power 200 (which is Roshi's) to destroy the moon and x49(How many times the Earth is bigger than the Moon) we get to 9,800.

So it would take a power level of around about 9,800, probably less seeing as Master Roshi didn't really strain everything into destroying the moon, to destroy the Earth. Once again though this is assuming everything is scaled.

Well when Goku went SSJ for the first time his power level was 150,000,000. Which means he could destroy 15306 Earths. The official Kazentai battle book states that with every SSJ transformation the Sayain's power is doubled. This I assume excludes all the training the Sayain does after achieving a transformation so would probably give a very baseline figure. Either way this means that when Goku went SSJ3 his power level would've been 600,000,000 as a minimum (Probably a lot higher than this). That would mean he could destroy 61,224 Earths.

LSSJ Broly on the other hand was stated to have a power level of 1,400,000,000 which means he could destroy 142,857 Earths.

Now for some size scales. Jupiter the largest planet in a solar system is around about 1317 times the volume of the Earth, so Jupiter would get crapped on by anyone above SS level. The Sun however is massive and it's volume is 1,300,000 that of the Earth.

Hopefully that little bit of quick maths can come in help to someone in the future and hopefully it was a somewhat interesting read lol.

Well you can't actually scale it like that. In order to destroy a celestial body DBZ style, you need to overcome it's gravitational bidding energy. For Earth that energy is 2.24 x 10^32 J. Gravitational bidding energy for Moon is 1762 times less than Earth's. So if we use Roshi as a base for moonbuster than it would mean somebody 1762 times more powerful than him is base(minimal ) for Earth busting. Roshi has a power levels of 139. That means that minimal Earth-buster needs power level of 244 918. So basilcy in tier with first form Frieza (power level os someone like Chilled). You see actuall scietific facts prove that Vegeta in Saiyan Saga wasn't a planet buster. And point is furthere proved since even if he was than it would be a suicidal move since he can't survive in space, and why would he kill himself ? Anyway to get to the minimal star buster you need someone 1 000 000 000 000 times more powerful. Someone with power level of 244 918 000 000 000 000. And even power levels for DBM (until they took them down) weren't that high. For example SSJ3 Veggeto with Final Dragon Flash had a power level of 5 000 000 000 000 000.

And even if we aply your calculations we won't get any star buster (with official power levels from V-Jump). For example SSJ Gogeta had 2 500 000 000 and he still wouldn't be star buster even with your calcs. About Vegetto:

Contrary to what everyone belives, Old Kai didn't stated that POTARA MAKES STRONGER FUSION. He only stated that it's BETTER THAN FUSION DANCE (i posted this in caps to be better for seeing). And he surely ment better because POTARA is permanent unlike dance which lasts for 30 minutes. Anyway in my book Vegetto = Gogeta in power :-). But Vegetto would win in fight since Gogeta is limited to 30 minutes.

About official power levels for Broly and Gogeta i say that they are to low they should be at minimum 10 times greater (even 20 times for Gogeta). Official power level for Cooler 470 000 000 seems little too high. Anyway i've gone of topic too much. In order to check about gravitational bidding energies you can check Wikipedia or net. I can't post links since Rules forbid it. And i broke that rule once today. Since i'm new i don't want to break it twice, mods might get angry.

Sorry for the late reply, flood protection prevented me to reply last night.

What about when Frieza in his first form destroyed planet Vegeta with ease? The Daizenshuu book states that planet Vegeta had a gravity that was 10x that of Earth. It may not necessarily mean that that planet Vegeta was much larger than Earth, but certainly you would think it was at least 1.5 times Earth size and possibly more dense or something. Before anyone says King Kai's planet was tiny and had x10 gravity of Earth too, obviously that was an exception and was in a whole different dimension. Planet Vegeta even had two natural satellites which look tiny next to it further alluding to it's size. Anyway the point I'm making is that first form Frieza destroyed it with ease, which means he obviously wasn't even exerting a fraction of his maximum power level.

Also when Vegeta threatened to destroy the Earth I don't think he was joking around. He was losing and he'd never really lost at anything by that point, and to lose to a commoner drove him over the edge. Vegeta's always been a bit of a nutter and he's not really known for being someone who thinks about the consequences i.e. fighting Goku as Majin Vegeta when they knew it would free Buu. He also stated that he would go and find the dragonballs on Namek instead, further hinting that he really was about to destroy the Earth. Also given Goku's reaction he could tell the Earth really was in danger of being destroyed by Vegeta's Galick Gun.

I'm sure DBZ wouldn't use such scientific maths anyway when calculating how much power it would take to destroy a planet and would probably use a more simple formula like mine.

All the power levels after Trunks saga should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway because they're not Toriyama official so Cooler's "official" power level may not actually be as high as has been stated in the guide.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Just Anime » A good anime to watch?

Watch Nurarihyon no Mago

you won't regret it if you like a bit of shounen/fantasy/supernatural

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jackie Chan vs Ben Tennyson

True Jackie Chan has a big advantage at the start here. Hmm thinking about this would've been much better with Kevin Levin.

Ok thread change time, hopefully a mod can change the title to Jachie Chan vs Kevin Levin.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Shippuuden Naruto vs Kenichi the mightiest disciple

@Hellos: Yeah, he might even be able to use it better than he does at the moment because there would be no nine tails chakra messing it up, so he could fuse with Fukasaku and Shima instead.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jackie Chan vs Ben Tennyson

It's Jackie Chan from Jackie Chan Adventures vs Kevin from Ben 10.

Jackie Chan has all his talismans and Kevin has all the aliens as seen in the picture, so all starting aliens.

They're both in character, but they're both going for the knockout.

Jackie Chan can lose his talisman if he gets hit hard enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Chan_Adventures if you need info on what powers his talisman give him.

Fight starts 100m away in an open site.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Shippuuden Naruto vs Kenichi the mightiest disciple

I think Naruto would still win this if we are using current Naruto. We don't really know what he can do without they kyuubi, but he still has access to moves like rasengan, rasenshuriken, kage bunshin etc etc but probably can't use them anywhere near as well as he normally does. He'd still be too fast for Kenichi, unless Kenichi is able to move at ridiculous speeds now haven't seen much of Kenichi's fights recently.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

If they fuse into Super Gogeta their power level would increase to 2,500,000,000 so it would definitely be worth it lol but they would still lose.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

I get what you're saying, maybe it was just an exaggeration of power to hype Broly up and it makes sense via powerscaling. You raise a very interesting point actually so I've decided to do a bit of maths.

Vegeta when he fought Goku had a power level of 18,000 and he was going to destroy the earth before Goku stopped him. Now it obviously doesn't take someone with such a high power level to destroy the Earth seeing as Master Roshi was able to destroy the moon with a power level of 200 and Piccolo was able to destroy the moon with ease with a power level of around about 3000. (Estimates take from the official Daizenshuu guides). If we take the minimum amount of power 200 (which is Roshi's) to destroy the moon and x49(How many times the Earth is bigger than the Moon) we get to 9,800.

So it would take a power level of around about 9,800, probably less seeing as Master Roshi didn't really strain everything into destroying the moon, to destroy the Earth. Once again though this is assuming everything is scaled.

Well when Goku went SSJ for the first time his power level was 150,000,000. Which means he could destroy 15306 Earths. The official Kazentai battle book states that with every SSJ transformation the Sayain's power is doubled. This I assume excludes all the training the Sayain does after achieving a transformation so would probably give a very baseline figure. Either way this means that when Goku went SSJ3 his power level would've been 600,000,000 as a minimum (Probably a lot higher than this). That would mean he could destroy 61,224 Earths.

LSSJ Broly on the other hand was stated to have a power level of 1,400,000,000 which means he could destroy 142,857 Earths.

Now for some size scales. Jupiter the largest planet in a solar system is around about 1317 times the volume of the Earth, so Jupiter would get crapped on by anyone above SS level. The Sun however is massive and it's volume is 1,300,000 that of the Earth.

Hopefully that little bit of quick maths can come in help to someone in the future and hopefully it was a somewhat interesting read lol.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@TheVectorPrime: I agree that Thor would probably win this.

As for the galaxy being destroyed, it's been shown so it must've happened and King Kai even commented on it. Obviously you're right there is a flaw there. I've read before that maybe they fought on one of the outlying planets or something or Broly spared a planet for them to fight on. It's a great way to get someone's attention after all lol. However the evidence is there that he destroyed the galaxy. I don't see how they could've provided any more evidence other than showing it, which they did, and having King Kai comment on it like he did.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Thor VS Goku/Vegeta/Gohan

@Job: I was merely speculating given Broly's feats, which are proven. I was saying that SS3 Goku should be around about Broly's level when he hasn't even turned LSSJ.

Also http://marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer Read his powers, guess there is one person in marvel who can travel FTL....

"Thor can move at extreme speeds. Thor can fly to the sun in a matter of minutes. Thor was even able to strike down a moving Quicksilver and has claimed to have fought foes faster than him. He can throw Mjolnir at the speed of light and also swing Mjolnir at TWICE the speed of light with his powers reduced in half. It has been established that the speed of Thor’s hammer transcends both Time & Space. In addition, Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds ." From Marvel Wiki.

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