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Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Machinedramon vs Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura

Naruto can summon Giant Toads, can summon multiple Kage level clones and can go into 9 tails modes where he can fire off attacks that level mountains. When in 9 tails mode he can react really fast, can sense evil intentions, can extend multiple chakra arms etc etc.

Then you have EMS Sasuke with Susanoo, which grants him a massive defence boost, although probably not enough to guard against Machinedramon's attack. He can also use Amaterasu to set Machinedramon on fire.

Sakura's useless.

I think Team Naruto could just about take it.

I'm not going to disregard Machinedramon's feats though. Metal Greymon is said to have the fire power of a nuke and he was no match against Machinedramon. So I will say it would be close but I think Machinedramon would lose in the end.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Asura vs. the Kishin

Oh right I mis-read this the first time. Kishin would probably quite easily make Asura go mad because Asura's a little off the rails already lol. But like I said if he makes Asura go mad, then he's really screwed.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

Either way he still lost. Twice. Three times if you include Bio Broly. You could just say every Bad Guy lost to plot device lol. Frieza lost because Goku became SSJ, Cell lost because Gohan became SSJ2. They're all plot devices.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » Can Genjutsu Work On People Who Don't Have Chakra?

@Destinyheroknight: That's what I said bro lol.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » Can Genjutsu Work On People Who Don't Have Chakra?

Itachi used genjutsu on regular people and so have other ninja. I think going on by Narutoverse rules everyone has chakra but not everyone knows how to utilise it.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Sora vs Rurouni Kenshin

Or underestimated Sora lol. Seriously he can put up a good fight against most high tier swordsman, you'd have to put someone who can beat Sephiroth up against him to make it a fair thread.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

I dunno maybe I'm not giving him enough credit. But at the end of the day, regardless of PIS, he lost to what was effectively 4 FPSSs and a Super Namek. How much can you really blame on PIS. That's like saying "Raditz saga Goku was in a movie with Perfect Cell but he still won". That's BS and everyone knows that. Why would they make two movies with Broly, both of which he is defeated by a couple of SSJs. Why not make a movie where Broly loses to SSJ2s or something.

At the end of the day, regardless of how much you want to blame it on PIS he lost to SSJs. Which doesn't really say much about his power because SSJ2 Gohan could've beaten them just as easily.

Did you see the the little video I posted. How are they still fighting on a planet in the Southern Galaxy and how are there still stars in the sky and what looks like a natural satellite. I think the sequence was there just to hype Broly up. Also I think by stating that it was only regular Broly destroyed the whole galaxy your argument is counter productive. How could regular Broly destroy a galaxy but LSSJ Broly lose to some SSJs.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

@GrayWolf2: It looks as though the opening sequence was there just to show the potential threat that Broly possesses. It's like in the video, in the japanese dub it said it was being attacked which meant that it was still there just being destroyed little by little. Plus if he had destroyed the south galaxy to a large degree there surely would've been some large ramifications and I doubt there would have been a planet there for them to fight on. Also on that one scene where he lands on the planet you see what looks like a moon and other stars, which wouldn't really make sense if the galaxy was destroyed.

I think the only person in DB that had potential star busting power was SS4 Gogeta. Even in DB GT when Goku blasted Baby into the Sun as a SSJ4 the Sun wasn't destroyed.

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General Discussion » DBZ Power Levels

Also I have to admit I have seen some ridiculous power levels on other sites. Some people can't even copy the Daizenshuu right and state that Goku had a power level of 15,000,000 when he turned SSJ for the first time. On the other end of the scale some people state that SSJ2 Gohan had a power level of 10,000,000,000 when he fought Perfect Cell. Even though it's not official Gogeta was only stated to have a power level of 2,400,000,000 which is far more believable than that crap.

I just want to make a list that's somewhat believable and lets me waste some time because I'm really bored.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

@GrayWolf2: I was thinking that. I know it's not official but there's no way Broly's power level could be 1,400,000,000. That puts him leagues above what you would assume a SSJ2 to be and I don't think he's that much more powerful.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » DBZ Power Levels

@Supreme Marvel: Yeah I know what you mean. Before, even if someone was just 100 power level higher than someone else they would have a big advantage. Now if someone's 1,000,000 higher it's still a fairly even fight.

Still I like to just look at them because it's always fun comparing stats imo lol.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

IMO Broly is stronger than a SSJ2 but weaker than a SSJ3. SSJ3 is 4x stronger than SSJ2 and 8x stronger than SSJ. The main basis for Broly's strength seems to be that he is a galaxy buster but this just isn't true. Other than that one feat, which can be disproved via this video provided by Yusuke52 in another thread, he's shown that he can manhandle a couple of SSJs which isn't really that impressive a feat considering how SSJ2 Gohan manhandled Perfect Cell who was more powerful than a FPSSJ. I really don't understand why everyone thinks Broly is so powerful.

I'm not saying Broly is the same level as a SSJ2, he's stronger but I definitely don't think he's a strong as a SSJ3. In relation to this thread SSJ Gotenks is more powerful than SSJ3 Goku so he should be able to take Broly.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Off-Topic » What's Going Through you Mind Right Now?

Songs from the Naruto OST seem to be stuck in my head.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Sora vs Rurouni Kenshin

I think Sora would take this one. He can cut buildings in half like they're made of butter and can glide/fly. He can also use magic, summon creatures, use drive forms and he can move so fast he can't be seen when using his reaction commands.

They guy's a beast, he could take most swordsman in anime/games.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » DBZ Power Levels

I might be totally off though if the power level gradient increases at the same rate as it did during the Frieza saga. They went from power levels around 20,000ish to power levels 100,000,000+ in a very short amount of time.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » DBZ Power Levels

Anyone want to try calculating DBZ power levels outside of the Daizenshuu just for fun?

I'll go first.

SSJ Vegeta whilst fighting Android 19 - Around about 180,000,000. He was definitely more powerful than Goku was when he first transformed given the intense training he was doing and the 3 year time gap. Trunks effortlessly defeated Frieza and I would think SSJ Vegeta = SSJ Trunks or near enough.

Android 18 whilst fighting Vegeta - Probably about 200,000,000?

Cell whilst fighting Android 17 - 210,000,000?

Cell after absorbing Android 17 - 250,000,000?

ASSJ Vegeta whilst fighting Cell - 260,000,000?

Super Perfect Cell - 300,000,000?

FPSSJ Goku whilst fighting Cell - 290,000,000? He was fighting all out against Cell as stated by himself in the manga but Cell was winning. Both Roshi and Goku knew he couldn't win.

FPSSJ Gohan whilst fighting Cell -290,000,000? He seemed to be around the same strength as Goku and you have to remember Cell probably got a big boost in power after eating a senzu.

SSJ2 Gohan - 375-425,000,000. I was originally going to double the FPSS level but then I realised it's a double of the base SSJ level, which after training would have been around 200,000,000 I think.

That's it for now.

Did you enjoy reading it? Think it was rubbish? Want to add your own opinions?

Go right ahead. I always love reading other people's opinions on how strong DBZ characters should have been outside of the official guides.

Edit: Also I know it's not official but the power level of Super Gogeta was stated to be 2,400,000,000. It's believable enough given Gogeta's massive strength. So if we scale upwards SSJ2 Gogeta would be 4,800,000,000 and SSJ3 Gogeta would be 19,200,000,000. SSJ4 Gogeta would potentially have a power level of 24,000,000,000 (Because he turned into SSJ Oozaru which is a x10 boost at a guess).

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Frieza Vs Naruto.

Frieza stomps because even if he isn't allowed to blow up the planet he still has the power to do so. Naruto is a mountain buster at best. Then there's the large speed advantage Frieza has.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Madara and Izuna vs Itachi and Sasuke

@TheNobody: You don't need senju cells to use Izanagi, they senju cells only increase the amount of time Izanagi works for. As for whether or not Izanagi/Izanami was available around Madara's time that's unknown but given the how many Uchiha's could use it's certainly plausible that he would know about it.

Only someone who's either really desperate or has nothing to lose would use either Izanagi/Izanami because you lose one of yours eyes after using it. Danzo used it because he had so many sharingans to spare and Itachi used it because he knows he's going to die anyway. I don't think Madara went into the fight with Hashirama planning to lose and I certainly don't think he was willing to give up one of his eyes just to win a battle. If a sharingan user loses one of his eyes he's only half as effective as he would normally be.

If this is no Edo forms then I highly doubt anyone would be willing to lose their eyes, because it basically cripples them after and doesn't guarantee victory either.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

There is no one in DBZ who is a universe buster (except for possibly Super Buu and others who can use Vice Shout), at least not using just one attack. Even mighty Kid Buu was just going from planet to planet destroying them one at a time. Super Buu's Vice Shout is an exception to the rule because it causes Dimensions to rip apart but other than that one move no Ki based attack has been shown to be even solar system level. Although the universe busting Vice Shout is an anime only move and was never seen in the manga.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,515 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » [Official]Share your memories of Air Gear (Anime & Manga)

I loved the anime but I found the manga to be really confusing and hard to get into. I still read a fair bit of it but I really don't think I understood most of it, especially when they tried to throw science in there and tried to be really clever. I was just like WHY?!?! lol

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