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General Discussion » DBZ Power Levels

Anyone want to try calculating DBZ power levels outside of the Daizenshuu just for fun?

I'll go first.

SSJ Vegeta whilst fighting Android 19 - Around about 180,000,000. He was definitely more powerful than Goku was when he first transformed given the intense training he was doing and the 3 year time gap. Trunks effortlessly defeated Frieza and I would think SSJ Vegeta = SSJ Trunks or near enough.

Android 18 whilst fighting Vegeta - Probably about 200,000,000?

Cell whilst fighting Android 17 - 210,000,000?

Cell after absorbing Android 17 - 250,000,000?

ASSJ Vegeta whilst fighting Cell - 260,000,000?

Super Perfect Cell - 300,000,000?

FPSSJ Goku whilst fighting Cell - 290,000,000? He was fighting all out against Cell as stated by himself in the manga but Cell was winning. Both Roshi and Goku knew he couldn't win.

FPSSJ Gohan whilst fighting Cell -290,000,000? He seemed to be around the same strength as Goku and you have to remember Cell probably got a big boost in power after eating a senzu.

SSJ2 Gohan - 375-425,000,000. I was originally going to double the FPSS level but then I realised it's a double of the base SSJ level, which after training would have been around 200,000,000 I think.

That's it for now.

Did you enjoy reading it? Think it was rubbish? Want to add your own opinions?

Go right ahead. I always love reading other people's opinions on how strong DBZ characters should have been outside of the official guides.

Edit: Also I know it's not official but the power level of Super Gogeta was stated to be 2,400,000,000. It's believable enough given Gogeta's massive strength. So if we scale upwards SSJ2 Gogeta would be 4,800,000,000 and SSJ3 Gogeta would be 19,200,000,000. SSJ4 Gogeta would potentially have a power level of 24,000,000,000 (Because he turned into SSJ Oozaru which is a x10 boost at a guess).

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Frieza Vs Naruto.

Frieza stomps because even if he isn't allowed to blow up the planet he still has the power to do so. Naruto is a mountain buster at best. Then there's the large speed advantage Frieza has.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Madara and Izuna vs Itachi and Sasuke

@TheNobody: You don't need senju cells to use Izanagi, they senju cells only increase the amount of time Izanagi works for. As for whether or not Izanagi/Izanami was available around Madara's time that's unknown but given the how many Uchiha's could use it's certainly plausible that he would know about it.

Only someone who's either really desperate or has nothing to lose would use either Izanagi/Izanami because you lose one of yours eyes after using it. Danzo used it because he had so many sharingans to spare and Itachi used it because he knows he's going to die anyway. I don't think Madara went into the fight with Hashirama planning to lose and I certainly don't think he was willing to give up one of his eyes just to win a battle. If a sharingan user loses one of his eyes he's only half as effective as he would normally be.

If this is no Edo forms then I highly doubt anyone would be willing to lose their eyes, because it basically cripples them after and doesn't guarantee victory either.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

There is no one in DBZ who is a universe buster (except for possibly Super Buu and others who can use Vice Shout), at least not using just one attack. Even mighty Kid Buu was just going from planet to planet destroying them one at a time. Super Buu's Vice Shout is an exception to the rule because it causes Dimensions to rip apart but other than that one move no Ki based attack has been shown to be even solar system level. Although the universe busting Vice Shout is an anime only move and was never seen in the manga.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

General Discussion » [Official]Share your memories of Air Gear (Anime & Manga)

I loved the anime but I found the manga to be really confusing and hard to get into. I still read a fair bit of it but I really don't think I understood most of it, especially when they tried to throw science in there and tried to be really clever. I was just like WHY?!?! lol

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Nuova shenron vs. Tsunayoshi Sawada

Yeah pretty much any boss from DBGT is already way more powerful than Kid Buu so Tsuna stands no chance here.

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Battles » Asura vs. the Kishin

The last time Asura went insane he turned into an even more frightful monster than before. If he does somehow make Asura go insane then I think Asura would still win this.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

@ReiKai: I think that the feat of Broly destroying the Galaxy was complete BS. Having debated with others there's no way anyone in DBZ has powers that could let them destroy a solar system let alone a galaxy. If they were truly so powerful then even a .0001% beam would completely annihilate the Earth and seeing as they're constantly missing each other and hitting the ground this just isn't the case. Then when you take away that one feat of power I don't think Broly is so impressive. Also you might say that he took on 4 SSJs and a Super Namek but even that's not that impressive, seeing as they were just SSs. None of them were SSJ2s and the difference between the two levels is gigantic, just look at how FPSSJ Gohan went from being dominated by Cell to dominating Cell. Then you have SSJ3 which is 4x more powerful than SSJ2 and it becomes clear that Broly's showing isn't exactly indicative of how powerful he really is. I'd still give this fight to SSJ Gotenks who is invariably stronger than SSJ3 Goku and most likely LSSJ Broly.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Nastu vs Goku vs Luffy vs Galactus (Read Rules)

I have to agree I think Luffy would win this contest of food consumption.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Gotenks vs Broly

@SpeedForceSpider: Lol don't play the Goku SSJ3 card here or this debate will end up going in a whole new direction. As for this, personally I think SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT) could just about take this, not Pre ROSAT though.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Jehuty vs Gundam

@FalconC2: Yes it has all his abilities but is Ver.2 Jehuty not Naked Jehuty. I was just recently replaying ZOE2 and I remembered how awesome Jehuty was so I wondered how well he would fare against some of the best Gundam has to offer.

I think it would be a pretty close match with Zero having it's Zero System, Kira having SEED mode and 00 have TRANSAM but I too would like to think Jehuty could win this with it's Zero Shift. Probably not though given the skill of it's multiple opponents though. It's too hard to call for me.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Madara and Izuna vs Itachi and Sasuke

Izanami is only really useful against someone who uses Izanagi because you have to make your opponent repeat an exact movement. It'd most likely be known by Madara because Itachi states that too many people were using Izanagi and Izanami was made to counter it. So it would be safe to assume quite a few of the Uchiha at least knew about it. Also you lose one of your eyes. It's only other effective use has been to immobilise an opponent like Kabuto who could easily overcome it if he accepts his destiny. This is why it's a kinjutsu, overall it's not great. considering the loss of an eye and the skill required to make an opponent repeat the same move.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Jehuty vs Gundam

Jehuty has somehow warped into the Dynasty Warriors Gundam Universe. The Gundams think he's an enemy and attack him.

Jehuty 2nd Version vs Wing Zero, Strike Freedom and 00 Gundam.

Who will win?

Both are bloodlusted.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Broly LSSJ vs. Goku USSJ

I think I remember Trunks saying that when Gohan turned SSJ2 he had all the power and more of an USSJ but was faster too. LSSJ stomps on SSJ2 Gohan so should be a fairly easy win for Broly.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Janemba (2nd form) vs Maj-Uub

Majuub should have this in the bag pretty easily, regardless of whether or not Janemba can reality warp.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Madara and Izuna vs Itachi and Sasuke

@Whats_out_the_bag: His Susanoo is powerful but he has no EMS so it's unlikely he can keep it for an extended period of time.

Madara is powerful. There's a reason people say he's one of the most powerful ninja of all time. He has the Rinnegan, Sharingan and Hashirama's jutsu and is probably the most powerful ninja that we've seen so far. He's fighting 5 kage at once, which is no small feat and he's winning against all 5 of them while taunting them at the same time. It also looks like he's still testing out his new powers so isn't going at it full strength. His only weakness is that he's far too cocky for his own good.

Also Itachi himself stated if he was to fight Jirayai it would be unlikely that he would win. Itachi's Susanoo is quite good but unless the target is caught by surprise or is gigantic I think his Susanoo's sword swings could be easily avoided. The one way he could win was if Madara got too cocky and let Itachi's Susanoo hit him whilst not knowing that Itachi had the sword of Totsuka.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Goku, Vegeta run a massive gauntlet

Are they working as a team or going at it one after the other? If they're working as a team I don't see how they couldn't make it up to at least round 9 where they could possibly lose to Grand Supreme Kai. They definitely won't be able to take Kid Buu unless they're allowed to fuse.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Battles » Kakuzu Vs. Danzo Shimura (Read OP)

Tbh neither Naruto nor Sasuke had to really work for most of their powers. Sasuke's was born with the potential for hax jutsus and Naruto's was born with the power of the nine tailed fox within him. Take away both their powers and you'll realise that Sasuke is a far better ninja because he is a natural genius. Naruto's won pretty much all his fights using Kurama's powers, take away Kurama's chakra and you have a ninja that couldn't even use a substitution jutsu and his only good early jutsu was the shadow clone jutsu which he can only use effectively because of Kurama's powers. That and he's been trained by some of the greatest ninja ever.

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