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Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Asura Rhino vs Abomination

Oops I got sidetracked lol. Well we can still use Genos as an example because we don't have much feats for Asura unfortunately. Asura easily tanked all of Genos's punches that were still able to inflict damage to the Sea King (Who survived a punch that sent him through a nuclear bunker and a few buildings). Also Genos was able to keep up with the Sea King but speedwise he was no where near Asura Rhino in his first mode.

Also the first example I gave is a reaction feat. She flew right past him thinking she was the only one to have landed an attack not realising that he had ripped her legs off.

So Asura Rhino is much faster and stronger than Genos, who has the above feats to his name.

Like I said, I can't say who's going to win this because I don't know enough about Abomination but I have a feeling he can't keep up with Asura Rhino who was able to BLOW back one of Genos's mountain busting beams and was much faster than Genos too.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Lelouch Vi Britannia Vs Yami Yugi

Agree with the above. Yami wins all rounds, you can't apply logic to Yami. You could give Yami 1 Kuriboh and the opponent has 1 Blue Eyes and Yami will still win using some unknown made up ability of Kuriboh.

Yami is the master of all games!

Round 3, Lelouch could use his Geass but Yami would switch out to Yugi then switch back and Mind Crush him.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Oni Akuma vs Goku (End of the saiyan saga)

Oni Akuma from Asura's wrath easily wins this.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Heihachi Mishima VS Zangief

Mishima stomps I'm afraid. You only need to watch the movie (Blood Vengeance) to see why. Also the opening of Tekken 6

Their punches missing each other still creates enough impact to shatter all the windows of the building they're fighting.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Asura Rhino vs Abomination

@Saladking said:

@ohgodwhy:

There's more to this fight than just speed and to be honest Genos doesn't have any good reaction speed feats. He's fast as hell when running but he still gets routinely tagged but yea you still a have to take Abomination's monstrous durability and strength into consideration. What do you think would happen if a person charged at a brick wall at full speed?

He's alright in his reactions, I wouldn't say they're slow by any means. After all he was easily able to rip off that Wasp Ladies legs without her even realising and he able to land a punch on the Sea King before the Sea King could react.

Genos would likely start off with an energy blast anyway as he did against Saitama if it's a duel. If Abomination can tank the blast and keep up with Genos's speed, then he'll still have to watch out for Genos's punches which he infuse with energy. One of these was enough to send the Sea King through a nuclear bunker and through 3 buildings, which is a very impressive feat.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Asura Rhino vs Abomination

Asura Rhino blew away a laser blast from Genos who had earlier blew a hole thorugh a distant mountain earlier. He was also much faster than Genos, able to take him out before he could even react in the first instance.

This is all before he turned in Asura mode which is supposed to much stronger.

That's my two cents for Asura Rhino, I can't say I know much about Abomination either though but I can't imagine him being as fast as Asura Rhino at least.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@Low said:

@ohgodwhy:

"HOWEVER, using light laser beam dodging feats in this debate is pointless. We have no idea how fast those laser beams are travelling, just because they're laser beams does not mean they are light speed. If we're going to go down that route then I can easily post this.

Saitama easily dodges a laser beam at the very last second. Even Genos is faster than the laser beam. Does this mean Genos is FTL? No of course it doesn't. "

Of course you can. But that's not a laser, or a beam. Thats a concentrated energy blast.

"As well as this are you trying to tell me that Gaoh is faster than Buranchi? Buranchi is the only one that I've seen with a stated speed and there is no way in hell Gaoh is faster than him. Not that I'm saying Buranchi's slow either, not by any means but he himself has stated that he can only get to Mach 30 when exerting himself."

Mach 30? lmao Buranchi is Mach 30k. And I'm definitely not going to call Gaoh lightspeed. That's what I would call aim dodging.

"Same theory applies to the Mappy feat you posted and the Sani feat. You've stated that the laser beams in Sani's shown feat were light speed but no where is it stated in the manga they were lightspeed. There is in fact no indication of their speed."

They are called "laser rain". And Nosh is probably faster than Buranchi. Because Buranchi said he cannot "quite yet" go at the speed of light. And Buranchi was a 3rd tier in Toriko verse. It makes perfect sense that 3 disciples are therefore, in the very least, Mach 30,000. The Blue Oni was likely faster than this as well.

"Hence why I still say that whilst Toriko has some impressive speed feats, they are still only massively hypersonic. With the top 3 guys probably in Mach 100s but I wouldn't go higher than that."

Nope. A 3rd tier in Toriko goes Mach 30,000. A top tier will go so much higher. Go with power scaling on this.

Ah thanks for clearing that Mach 30k up. I was going off another thread where everyone was saying Mach 30. Either way though, it changes nothing because the speed of light is Mach 881,000. I don't know how much you want to powerscale here but I wouldn't go that high personally. I'd still stick at Mach 100 (Or Mach 100k) as you have kindly informed me. But lets say for interests sake they're 10x faster than Buranchi, that's Mach 300,000. Still not near light speed.

As well as this, look at the way Buranchi says "Freaking Mach 30k". He's obviously very impressed with that speed further adding credibility to the fact that even top Toriko characters won't likely be able to travel much faster than this.

Also I agree with you stating that it's aim dodging, I just wanted to hear you guys say it instead of me because that's all it is, aim dodging. Even Batman dodges bullets, it doesn't make him able to move at the speed of sound though.

If you could post that statement of Buranchi saying he can't quite go lightspeed yet. That would help clear things up as to whether or not they can move at such speeds because all I've seen so far are assumptions.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

@Jinbeifan1 said:

@luthluth said:

@ohgodwhy said:

@luthluth: The mass of the moon is 7.343 x 10 (pwr19) tonnes. Where did this mass of 4 moons come from?

Yea your right, I just saw what @Jinbeifan1 said: Lol I didn't bother to check the math out myself

@YoungChief: Heracles inhales over four moons in air alone (360 billion tons) in one breath, and can use that amount as a cannon blast. The Blue Oni just shrugged that off and punched Heracles. Also Heracles is almost immortal, for it can regenerate from being turned into ash and make up multiple bodies. It's regeneration is above anything aside from immortality really

The weight of the moon varies, about 73-81 billion tons, because of earths gravity, at its respective distance tho' it is technically referred to as zero, however its mass is 7.343x10^19 tons. The horse king inhales 360 billion tons which is about 2 mount Everest's worth of mass, that's not planetary at all :/

Hey dude, if the moon weighs about 80 billion tons, it weighs 80 billion tons. Nothin' wrong in what I'm saying. You guys are saying mass, I'm saying weight.

Let me post an answer from another site in regards to the difference between mass and weight in this scenario.

"First let make the distinction between weight and mass. Mass has to do with the amount of matter is in some object, and determines how hard it is to push something around. Weight is how big the force of gravity is that is acting on some object. An object has the same mass no-matter where it is, but its weight depends on being close to the earth or some other planet. For example, if you were out in space, far away from any planets, you would have no weight since there is no gravity, but your mass would still be the same as it is here on Earth.

So, it makes more sense to talk about the mass of the moon than its weight. This mass is about 7.35x10^22 kg. That's the number 735 followed by 20 zeros! This is pretty massive, about 1/80th the mass of the Earth."

Therefore using weight instead of mass in regards to the moon doesn't make any sense because weight is affected by gravity.

So while there's nothing wrong with what you're saying, it just doesn't make any sense to use that as a feat. Especially when it massively overhypes Heracles power.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@othus12: I like how you skilfully lightspeed dodge some of the points I raised.

What about the stated speed fact of Buranchi? That's a stated speed fact. Is Gaoh faster than Buranchi? Is someone from that early in the manga more than 100x faster than one of the fastest characters shown in Part 1 of the manga?

Are you trying to say then that Saitama dodging the laser beam from Genos at the very last moment makes him MFTL? Even I wouldn't go as far as saying that.

Also how does Mappy dodge a laser beam with his eyes closed? How is that even possible? Does he somehow know that Toriko is about to shoot him with a laser beam? Seems like a bit of a BS feat to me.

Quality of the attacks is more important than the speed of the attacks? Does not compute. Please elaborate, maybe with a wiki article or something that I can read up on. I don't understand how if Toriko can connect with an attack against these apparent light speedsters then why can't Saitama do it even more easily so.

Also you state that Saitama can't hurt Jirou. I've never seen Saitama not hurt anyone with one of this punches, that's his thing. To hurt people with his punches. His most impressive feat is also the only one that he's yet shown us which was to easily punch straight through an attack which would've scorched the Earth's planet. I would argue that there's more of a chance of his attacks inflicting serious damage to Jirou than not, given his moniker and as far unseen potential.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Namek SSj Goku vs BoG base Goku

The SSJ powerup is a 50x powerup. I really don't think Goku was 50x more powerful in base at the end of BoG then he was when he was fighting against Frieza.

Then again everything as Namek saga was bull so BoG Goku probably wins. Wasn't Tien strong enough to hold back Semi-perfect Cell after all? Yep what a load of crap that was.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou vs Augus

The sword can extend indefinitely and while that's great and all how does it help Augus win the battle? Jirou is much too fast for him and with one knock the battle will be over. The scans already been posted but Jirou easily knocked the head clean of an empowered Nitro who easily has mountain+ level durability, likely a lot lot higher.

Planet busting or not is completely irrelevant in this thread that starts out with them 20m away from each other.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@othus12:

I'm just going to talk to you both at the same time because you've both posted good feats. HOWEVER, using light laser beam dodging feats in this debate is pointless. We have no idea how fast those laser beams are travelling, just because they're laser beams does not mean they are light speed. If we're going to go down that route then I can easily post this.

Saitama easily dodges a laser beam at the very last second. Even Genos is faster than the laser beam. Does this mean Genos is FTL? No of course it doesn't.

As well as this are you trying to tell me that Gaoh is faster than Buranchi? Buranchi is the only one that I've seen with a stated speed and there is no way in hell Gaoh is faster than him. Not that I'm saying Buranchi's slow either, not by any means but he himself has stated that he can only get to Mach 30 when exerting himself.

Same theory applies to the Mappy feat you posted and the Sani feat. You've stated that the laser beams in Sani's shown feat were light speed but no where is it stated in the manga they were lightspeed. There is in fact no indication of their speed.

Coco's attack on the other hand does have a stated speed. Does it get dodge though? No, the attack hits its intended target spot on. That scan works against you because it also shows that Invaitdeath with a capture level of 140 was unable to avoid it yet you state that Gaoh with a capture level of 127 can dodge multiple light speed beams. Coco states the attack is impossible to dodge because of it's speed.

Ichiryou's attack is fast but if it only goes to space, then it's not as impressive as you think it is. He only says, "Did that go into space?" bearing in mind they're already fighting from pretty high up in the sky anyway. Also Midora says the attack is slow but still has a cut on his cheek. Personally, I think compared to Saitama's feats that attack wasn't that impressively fast anyway. He also uses the same attack several times, it doesn't seem that great. At least speed wise it doesn't seem as great as flying back from the Moon to the Earth in about a second.

Hence why I still say that whilst Toriko has some impressive speed feats, they are still only massively hypersonic. With the top 3 guys probably in Mach 100s but I wouldn't go higher than that.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

@othus12 said:

@ohgodwhy said:

@luthluth: The mass of the moon is 7.343 x 10 (pwr19) tonnes. Where did this mass of 4 moons come from?

so i get you dont know what that means

What are you talking about?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@Low: I also need to sleep, it's nearly 12am here. I'll reply to your post tomorrow :)

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@othus12 said:

@ohgodwhy:

unless we got relatavistic/lightspeed characters in Toriko now?

we have plenty of reaction feats from gaoh, kappa nosh,mappy and midora

we also have speed feats of coco and ichiryuu

I'll still give it to Saitama because of the massive speed advantage and still mostly unknown strength. He's still infintely more powerful than anyone else in the series including people who could scorch the Earth's surface, could easily punch through nuclear bomb shelters, shoot holes through mountains etc.

saitama gets destroyed specially in character:

1.-saitama has a human body. for jiro that's a ridiculously easy level of knocking

2.-saitama lets himself get punched. 1 knock from jiro and saitama can say goodbye, he wont be moving anytime soon leaving him open for a barrage of guiness punches (not that it takes more than one to kill him)

3.- jiro is stronger,by far. and punching trough nuclear bomb shelters and shooting holes trough mountains isnt even impressive. setsuno is far weaker than jirou and even she can deflect a blast of which a little portion was parting the sea in half, btw it was 1 million attacks concentrated into one so take a guess about the speed necessary to deflect them all.

Examples of those reaction feats please?

I still have Buranchi pegged down at Mach 30 when pushing himself. Can't imagine anyone else being above Mach 100 but I'm all ears.

Saitama loses if he lets himself get punched (knocked), that I agree with.

But what if Saitama realises that Jirou is a badass and punches Jirou first? Then Saitama should win no? The speed difference is so great that if Saitama doesn't want Jirou to hit him, he probably won't be able to.

So IC I can give this fight to Jirou, provided Saitama doesn't realise how dangerous Jirou's knocking is.

Serious fight though, Saitama should win just through speed blitz.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

Well I'm gonna keep saying this until everyone drills this into their skulls. From speed feats shown by Saitama he is much MUCH faster than anyone in Toriko, unless we got relatavistic/lightspeed characters in Toriko now?

Jirou's got the feat of knocking the whole Toriko world though which is no doubt very impressive, Saitama has yet to show anything of that level and probably never will because all of his battles will likely be fought on Earth.

I'll still give it to Saitama because of the massive speed advantage and still mostly unknown strength. He's still infintely more powerful than anyone else in the series including people who could scorch the Earth's surface, could easily punch through nuclear bomb shelters, shoot holes through mountains etc.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Zoro VS Sonic

@Low said:

Sonic is pretty badass. Though his DC is hilariously low. I mean I have not seen any impressive DC from Sonic which can harm Zoro. A different story if sonic uses some kind of a weapon. Say, a sword?

Agreed, in terms of DC we haven't seem much from Sonic. He was inflicting damage upon the Sea King but had to retreat in order to get his swords etc. Speed wise Sonic should have the advantage but then Zoro can likely use haki which should give the reaction advantage.

Zoro takes this one for now IMO.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou vs Augus

In terms of feats, Jirou's feats are definitely more impressive than those of Augus. So based off that Jirou wins.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

@luthluth: The mass of the moon is 7.343 x 10 (pwr19) tonnes. Where did this mass of 4 moons come from?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

Frieza wins without too much difficulty. Much faster and blows up planets for lols.

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