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Battles » The Archangels runs a DBZ Gauntlet

I like DBZ but there's just no way DBZ can win here. The archangels are basically second only to God or Death and can't be killed by anyone other than another Archangel or the above two.

They can alter reality at will, control things at a molecular level etc etc.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Saint Seiya » Saint Seiya Facts vs Hypes 2

I've just been reading through some of the manga and started at the links some of those guys posted in the Naruto Forum. Rather than actually destroying real planets it seems they fight by attacking each others cosmos or each others personal universes, which would be another way to think of it. If you actually look at the real destruction caused by their attacks it's actually not very impressive at all.

Someone keeps posting scans of someone causing an explosion and wiping out loads of planets, but since when are planets ever in such close proximity in the first place? All the planets shown in that scan were pretty much on top of each other. Then a few scans later on we see that the place they were fighting on has actually received very little damage.

It seems people who are making a case for the Saint Seiya being galactic and some say even universal in scale is based upon statements made by the characters in the manga but if you look closer as to what's actually going on they're not talking about real life events but rather events created with their own pocket dimensions.

I mean lets just look at what is probably one of Hades greatest feats, re arranging the solar system. If these guys really were galactic level busters wouldn't it have been easy for them to move all the planets back into their original positions. Do people not understand how much larger the galaxy is than the solar system? Anyone at a galactic level should be laughing at such a small feat as re arranging planets. Even someone who was at star level would laugh at such a feat.

That's my two cents using about half an hour of reading through the manga. If someone could provide genuine evidence without just providing scans and not explaining them whatsoever and then crying when someone makes a counter argument then I would gladly look at them and consider them.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Luffy vs Blackbeard

@taichokage: Did he? I can remember him getting his ass handed to him by pretty much every big name character. A dying Whitebeard would have killed him if he hadn't felt pity on him at the last second. Magellan had killed pretty much killed him and his crew if Shiliew hadn't saved him.

Blackbeard and his whole crew ran away from Akainu, despite being pretty desperate for a new ship and despite having the Gura Gura no Mi which clearly indicates that he and his whole crew aren't anywhere near admiral level. Also, finally he barely beat Ace and I think current Luffy could have taken Ace without too much difficulty (Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but he has pretty much stomped everyone he's fought since Part 2).

Edit: The scene with him fighting back against Sengoku was anime only. In the manga all he did was survive the hit by Sengoku, showing he has massive durability but nothing else.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Saint Seiya » Saint Seiya Facts vs Hypes 2

Yeah this is why you don't post in Naruto Forums.

For 1. About 90% of the people there don't know jackshit.

For 2. About 90% of someone's post count is just them flaming each other. Bit sad really, trying to increase your post count with spam.

Personally, I'm a believer. You've posted a lot of evidence and I for one am not in a position to disagree because I don't know anything about Saint Seiya. However given the evidence provided it seems clearly that Saint Seiya has been massively wanked over.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Luffy vs Blackbeard

Personally, in part 1 at least, I didn't rate Blackbeard too highly.

He beat Ace, just about. He took one big hit from Luffy which nearly knocked him out. Magellan nearly killed him and his crew in one hit. A near dead Whitebeard pretty much would have killed him if he wasn't his "son" in one hit. Him and his crew ran away from Akainu.

So where would I put Blackbeard in a OP strength tier? Probably just above someone the likes of Ace and Smoker. He's powerful but there's no way he could compete against the upper tiers in OP. Then right at the end of Part 1 he gained the Gura devil fruit which makes him a lot more dangerous but as seen it wasn't really a power he could control, it just made him a lot more destructive.

Luffy now is far more powerful, we can't really say how much more powerful but I don't think it would be wrong to say that he's more powerful than Smoker and Ace.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Luke Skywalker vs Goku

I'd say that at least by Frieza saga FTL reactions were observed...

Not FTL movement for a sustained amount of time but certainly FTL reactions. Case in point when Frieza fired a death beam Piccolo observed on a flash of light yet Vegeta was able to knock Gohan out of the way of the beam. Piccolo himself was fairly powerful by that point so for him just to observe a flash points to the fact that the beam was at the very minimum FTL.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Luffy vs Blackbeard

This would be current Luffy vs Blackbeard at the end of the Marineford War

Both bloodlusted

Fight starts 50m away

Fight is on a deserted island

Who wins?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Sora (Kingdom Hearts) vs Vash the Stampede (Trigun)

Vash is probably supersonic/nearing hypersonic reactions and speed whereas Sora has shown himself to be massively hypersonic and able to move so fast he can't be seen at times, or warp snipe and react to thousands of lasers being fired at him from multiple directions. He fought Xigbar who was able to not only fire off multiple lasers but also control the space around them letting them change direction, warp and generally just come from any direction.

Power wise he slices through buildings like they're made of butter.

Angel arm would probably take Sora out but I doubt Vash would have the time needed to use it.

But all my knowledge of Vash is also only anime based and maybe he's a lot stronger in the manga.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

One Piece » One Piece #673

We learned a lot this chapter eh? It was more of a background episode but having said that the information we did learn was pretty interesting and helped improve the story.

The GOOD

  • Doflamingo is a confirmed badass
  • Learned a little bit more about Vergo
  • Was I the only one who loled when it turned out that was a burger bun on Vergo's face.

The BAD

  • Just another setup chapter really, I imagine we got a few more of these before we really get anywhere.
  • Anyone else finding that slime to be a bit of a time waste?

Overall I give this chapter a B, purely because of the twist at the end which has pretty much set up a whole new arc in the future. Everyone knew Doflamingo was a badass but who knew he had ties this deep inside the military and was actually such a big villain.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Off-Topic » Has our society really gotten this dumb?

They wouldn't have made the sign if it wasn't.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Trafalgar Law Vs Naruto

@taichokage: Yep I would say he could take on most of the strawhat crew pre-time skip.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Mewtwo (R/B/Y) vs Arceus

"Swords Dance will boost the power of Arceus's STAB ExtremeSpeed to horrifyingly powerful levels, devastating anything in Arceus's way that isn't resembling a physical tank. With just a Silk Scarf and Swords Dance boost, it is more than strong enough to OHKO even the bulkiest of Uber titans, such as Mewtwo, Kyogre, Reshiram, Palkia, Zekrom, and Ho-Oh." From the link you posted.

Although if you cheat like you have and give him aura sphere as well as generation 1 stats he'd win like how he did in that video posted earlier.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Luffy and Zoro vs Moria and Kuma

They were able to take a Pacifista out even pre time skip. Yes it was hard but they did it nonetheless, yet when Kuma came he took them all out without them even touching him. He beat them so bad that he was the first person to make Luffy truly despair in the main storyline.

There's still many people stronger than Luffy, otherwise what's the point in the manga even continuing anymore. Kuma's an especially powerful opponent and there is no way any of the strawhat crew are going to be able to beat him as it stands. Example, this new guy, Vergo who absolutely stomped Trafalgar. Just because Luffy's going around fighting average level opponents doesn't mean he's become an admiral level pirate.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Captain Ginyu (In Goku's Body) vs. Zarbon

Power levels are bullshit after the Frieza saga. How were they bullshit up till that point? If your power level was stronger you won, that's pretty much how DBZ worked.

Power levels became bullshit after Toriyama continued the manga due to fan demand. The series was meant to end at the Frieza saga. After Frieza saga everything became skewed and made a lot less sense power level wise.

As for this battle, like I said Zarbon probably will win. Ginyu can't use any of Goku's key attacks and both Zarbon and Ginyu are effectively at the same power level. Maybe Ginyu's power level doesn't decrease but either way without having good knowledge of his new body he won't be able to win against Zarbon.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Mewtwo (R/B/Y) vs Arceus

Oh I misunderstood what you meant.

This isn't too hard. I think it would come down to whoever's speed stat was higher. They'd probably do similar damage so whoever gets in that first strike would win imo.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Captain Ginyu (In Goku's Body) vs. Zarbon

@SpeedForceSpider: It's possible. Either way I don't think he was getting stronger, that was just added in the anime.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,593 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Captain Ginyu (In Goku's Body) vs. Zarbon

Jeice measured his power level at 23,000. In the manga Goku doesn't fight along side Gohan and Krillin and you can see from the scans and from reading the manga that he is either stagnant at 23,000 or as Jeice said, getting weaker.

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