@DragonBall55 Like I said those are all just statements made by various characters with no actual evidence. Also just because an attack has light speed in it's name doesn't make it light speed. It's like someone having an attack called World Smasher but can't actually smash the world.
If it was using the chaos emeralds then it shows that he needs the chaos emeralds to even perform such a feat. Even so it is still just a statement and he's never shown himself to actually be able to carry out such an attack as far as I can remember. All the video game characters do is hype themselves up with statements. If video game Super Sonic was truly lightspeed then would he would be almost instantaneously appear near his enemies because light travels the Earth so fast. Light can travel around the Earth 7 times in 1 second. Has Super Sonic ever shown anything that looks like he could travel Mobius in around about the same time? He's never shown such a feat even in the FMVs as far as I can remember.
Sonic's been light speed since SA1, hence the "light speed dash, light speed attack". Also, in SC, Omega stated that at Sonic's current rate he would surpass the speed of light, that's when Sonic responded saying that light speed is slow.
As for shadow, he said he was going to do so with the chaos emeralds.
Also, can you do me a little favor and post on the thread saying that I've reached my maximum comment limit for the day? I don't want them thinking that I ran off because I couldn't "defend myself" ya know? lol.
@Destinyheroknight: He said he was "Omnichrnological", existing everywhere throughout time. Super Sonic was Omnichrnological in the present time, which is 1/3 of all existing time lines. (Past, present, future)
That statement doesn't make any sense and would be well beyond anything Sonic's ever shown. Can you provide me a link to the site? It's far more likely that they just attacked him in 3 different time periods at once. By saying he's 1/3 omnichronological (which isn't even a word) would be mean that he fought an infinite number of Solaris's in 1/3 of all time. That just sounds ridiculous. How can anyone be 1/3 omnipresent lol, where does the line between past present and future even occur? I doubt the Sonic Team put as much thought into it as the person who said he was 1/3 omnipresent.
Hmm maybe the Wii is different from the Xbox but in the Xbox version, which would more likely be the canon version because you don't have to fiddle around with a Wii remote when thinking up gameplay, you can clearly see that Light Gaia is keeping Dark Gaia distracted while Super Sonic tries to get through Dark Gaia's force field. If Super Sonic's struggling to get through a force field, how can he hope to stand up against someone who is a multiple planet buster?
As for the light speed statement, it's just that, a statement. Unless he backed it up with a feat? Video game Sonic has never shown anything close to lightspeed as far as I can remember. Maybe comic Sonic has but video game Sonic most certainly has not. In fact I believe his top speed was measured at around about 3000 mph or something. Even Super Sonic in the above video didn't move at anything near lightspeed, and I've never seen him move at anything near lightspeed either. Can you provide me a video or scan showing me otherwise?
Same with the Shadow thing. It was just a statement, has he actually ever shown anything comparable to planet busting in a video game? Also how did he say he was going to destroy the world? Was it using chaos emeralds?
Edit: I was pretty on and off with this post so some of it is repeating what DHK already said.
@DragonBall55: I think you're overestimating the Solaris feat. They didn't exist through 1/3 of time, rather each hedgehog destroyed one version of solaris in the past, present and future.
Also like I said Super Sonic got beaten pretty hard Dark Gaia who was a planet buster at best. Maybe a two or 3 planet buster but definitely not more than that. Super Sonic only won that battle because he was fighting alongside Light Gaia Colossus. How can anyone explain this off?
Speed wise, maybe Sonic's slightly faster but the durability and power is well in DBZ's favour as well as time which Super Sonic would not have too much of.
@DragonBall55: Super Sonic didn't beat Solaris on his own though did he. It was a combined attack from all 3 super hedgehogs in the past, present and future that defeated Solaris so while it is a good feat, it wasn't just Sonic's feat.
Also I don't think Dark Gaia was a one shot planet destroyer. It took him a very long time to damage the world and he was destroying it little by little. Super Sonic barely even defeated him and that was using the help of the Gaia Colussus as well. How can Super Sonic hope to compete against beings who destroy planets with ease?
"Dark Gaia is shown to be one of the most powerful beings, good or evil, to ever appear in the Sonic series, possibly only second or equal to Solaris. During the climatic battle against it, Dark Gaia was able to fight Super Sonic to the point where he ended up fainting from exhaustion, something no foe so far has been capable of, and at the same time, take on Light Gaia, a being who supposedly should be on the same level of strength as Dark Gaia itself. Additionally, Dark Gaia (as shown in its perfect form) is one of the few enemies that is able to hurt Sonic while he is in his super form." From the Sonic wiki, plus I've played the game myself.
I really don't understand how anyone thinks Super Sonic can win this, let alone regular Sonic. Super Sonic's shown he can be damaged by enemies like Perfect Chaos and Dark Gaia who are barely planet destroyers themselves. Vegeta at a power level of 18,000 was a planet destroyer and Goku as a SSJ was around about 10,000x stronger. How is this not an obvious win?
Doom can try cheating all he want Yugi still wins. Pegasus could pretty much see every card Yugi was going to play so Yugi just started playing cards without looking at them himself and still won. Then when Yugi wins he'll just mind fuck Dr Doom using his millenium puzzle like he did to that one guy.
A five second gap for Minato would be like an eternity. This is the same guy, after all, who made the Raikage look slow. The shared field of vision just wouldn't be able to react, look at all the good it did against Sage Naruto who nearly killed Pein and would have killed him too if he had not run out of chakra. Minato is leagues faster than Sage Naruto and can effectively teleport with his Flying God jutsu. The only problem I forsee here is Pein using his Shinra Tensei to blast away all of Minato's kunais but then Minato could just throw down some more. It's just a pure speed blitz and unlike Itachi, Pein doesn't have the constant effects of Susanoo to bail him out.
I'm going to give this to Minato. He's simply too fast, he'll analyse how Pein's jutsu works realising it takes him about 5 seconds before he can use his shinra tensei as Minato was one of the most intelligent ninja seen in the series.
Seeing how Sage Naruto went to town on Pein and was completely decimating him before he ran out of Sage Chakra, I'd say Minato, who is much faster than Sage Naruto, would easily be speed blitzing Pein.
Of course we haven't really see what Pein is really capable of when his power is all within one body so I'm using the 6 paths of Pein here.
Dante has the clear advantage here in terms of just having better feats and skills. Plus he's nigh on invincible, he's taken a giant sword through the chest and still continued casually having a conversation before taking it out. Add time control, hypersonic movements/reactions and you can see Vash just doesn't stand a chance.
There is no official power level given for King Cold because there are no official power levels after Frieza saga. All we have is statements made by various characters that King Cold is stronger than Frieza.
It was mecha Frieza, whether or not he could power up at all is debatable. Also it's likely King Cold could power up too. The statement still stands.
"Cold himself, and Vegeta (in the original Japanese version, as well as in the English dub of Dragon Ball Kai) reference King Cold as being even more powerful than Frieza." From DBZ wiki.
There's plenty of statements that show King Cold was stronger than Frieza. Seeing as these guys can sense power levels their statements are most likely true. You'd just be guessing if you said Frieza can power up more than King Cold can.
Yeah you have a good point there about how characters can increase their power levels temporarily to massive amounts. That probably explains how Gohan was able to harm Frieza in a mad flurry of attacks.
@HowTerribleIsThat: That is a valid point. Maybe Blackbeard just never fought at full power against the others but then again it doesn't really explain all the other things I already mentioned above. Also it was never mentioned when Blackbeard gave him the scars. Shanks may not have been as powerful back then. When Shanks saw him at the Marineford War he effectively just told Blackbeard to get lost and it didn't look like Blackbeard wanted to face him either, despite having his new Gura powers.
Well one thing that is pretty much a constant in DBZ is that if someone is powering up everyone will stand by and let them lol. Take any of Frieza's transfomations for example or when Goku went SSJ. Besides Goku can use Kaio Ken in an instant anyway. They would kill Goku before he turned Kaio Ken x2 but what I'm saying is that using DBZ logic he will inevitably be able to power up and he will win.
Krillin's destructo disk wouldn't work because Goku could easily dodge it and it would just be a waste of Ki. Goku is already aware that Krillin knows solar flare so it probably wouldn't work and he can sense power levels so even if he did get blinded, as soon as Krillin powered up to use destructo disk Goku would know where he was and could sense the attack. Destructo disk is only really effective against those who can't sense power levels.
Gohan's anger attacks have always been an anomaly. I agree his strength grows waay to dis-proportionally when he does get angry though but that is just bad writing really.
I agree that the show is very inconsistent, I've always said that but as for this fight I still believe Goku will win.
@SpeedForceSpider: We don't actually know how powerful Gohan and Krillin were when fighting Ginyu. Personally I think they were stronger than Ginyu by that point hence why they were actually beating Ginyu. The last confirmed power level before that point was Gohan's being above 20,000 against Recoome, but that was anime only. Gohan got beaten to near death at the end of that battle so obviously he would have become far more powerful as a half sayain after eating a senzu bean.
Vegeta himself went from being someone who was getting destroyed by Recoome to being able to easily defeat Jeice, so we can see that after recovering from near death he too became far more powerful. Gohan was a lot more badly beaten up than Vegeta was so it stands to reason his power increase was a lot higher too.
A V Jump scan states that Gohan was 200,000 before his fight with Frieza. Obviously it's not canon but it gives an idea of how much more powerful Gohan would have become from the time between meeting Guru and fighting Frieza. I'd say Gohan was probably around about 30,000 by the time he fought Ginyu in Goku's body.