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Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

@othus12 said:

@ohgodwhy said:

@luthluth: The mass of the moon is 7.343 x 10 (pwr19) tonnes. Where did this mass of 4 moons come from?

so i get you dont know what that means

What are you talking about?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@Low: I also need to sleep, it's nearly 12am here. I'll reply to your post tomorrow :)

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

@othus12 said:

@ohgodwhy:

unless we got relatavistic/lightspeed characters in Toriko now?

we have plenty of reaction feats from gaoh, kappa nosh,mappy and midora

we also have speed feats of coco and ichiryuu

I'll still give it to Saitama because of the massive speed advantage and still mostly unknown strength. He's still infintely more powerful than anyone else in the series including people who could scorch the Earth's surface, could easily punch through nuclear bomb shelters, shoot holes through mountains etc.

saitama gets destroyed specially in character:

1.-saitama has a human body. for jiro that's a ridiculously easy level of knocking

2.-saitama lets himself get punched. 1 knock from jiro and saitama can say goodbye, he wont be moving anytime soon leaving him open for a barrage of guiness punches (not that it takes more than one to kill him)

3.- jiro is stronger,by far. and punching trough nuclear bomb shelters and shooting holes trough mountains isnt even impressive. setsuno is far weaker than jirou and even she can deflect a blast of which a little portion was parting the sea in half, btw it was 1 million attacks concentrated into one so take a guess about the speed necessary to deflect them all.

Examples of those reaction feats please?

I still have Buranchi pegged down at Mach 30 when pushing himself. Can't imagine anyone else being above Mach 100 but I'm all ears.

Saitama loses if he lets himself get punched (knocked), that I agree with.

But what if Saitama realises that Jirou is a badass and punches Jirou first? Then Saitama should win no? The speed difference is so great that if Saitama doesn't want Jirou to hit him, he probably won't be able to.

So IC I can give this fight to Jirou, provided Saitama doesn't realise how dangerous Jirou's knocking is.

Serious fight though, Saitama should win just through speed blitz.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou VS Saitama

Well I'm gonna keep saying this until everyone drills this into their skulls. From speed feats shown by Saitama he is much MUCH faster than anyone in Toriko, unless we got relatavistic/lightspeed characters in Toriko now?

Jirou's got the feat of knocking the whole Toriko world though which is no doubt very impressive, Saitama has yet to show anything of that level and probably never will because all of his battles will likely be fought on Earth.

I'll still give it to Saitama because of the massive speed advantage and still mostly unknown strength. He's still infintely more powerful than anyone else in the series including people who could scorch the Earth's surface, could easily punch through nuclear bomb shelters, shoot holes through mountains etc.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Zoro VS Sonic

@Low said:

Sonic is pretty badass. Though his DC is hilariously low. I mean I have not seen any impressive DC from Sonic which can harm Zoro. A different story if sonic uses some kind of a weapon. Say, a sword?

Agreed, in terms of DC we haven't seem much from Sonic. He was inflicting damage upon the Sea King but had to retreat in order to get his swords etc. Speed wise Sonic should have the advantage but then Zoro can likely use haki which should give the reaction advantage.

Zoro takes this one for now IMO.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Jirou vs Augus

In terms of feats, Jirou's feats are definitely more impressive than those of Augus. So based off that Jirou wins.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

@luthluth: The mass of the moon is 7.343 x 10 (pwr19) tonnes. Where did this mass of 4 moons come from?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Toriko and Heracles Vs Frieza

Frieza wins without too much difficulty. Much faster and blows up planets for lols.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

General Discussion » Should Power Levels be used for powerscailing?

@othus12 said:

im gonna put into question some of the things that i find weird about PL. if you have an answer for these questions feel free to post it below!

1.-what's the minimum PL required to moon bust?

2.- what's the minimum PL required to planet bust?

3.- are those PL proportional to the size of the object? (earth is 50 times bigger, you would need 50 times more PL according to logic)

4.- going by a proportional scale: is Frieza a solar system buster? if you think so answer the next question, if not skip.

5.-why frieza couldnt one shot namek when the required power level to destroy earth is no more than 10,000?

6.- is namek 100 times bigger than earth? even if frieza held back according to his PL he should have blown it to nothing even with the 1% of his PL. explain this fallacy.

9.- why can krilin at a PL of 75,000 can cut frieza at a PL of 120,000,000?

10.- how does PL take into account special abilities like time stop, breathing in space,lifting strenght,speed,DC, and h2h skills?

11.- why should power levels be used instead of feats? (goku defeating frieza makes him a planet buster. but why should it make him multi solar system level?) elaborate.

Can I still answer this? I'll give it a go.

1) Didn't Roshi do it at slightly under 200 or there abouts?

2) I'd hazard a guess of a planet the size of Earth at around 18,000 - 20,000 to really finish it off. Moon's mass is about 1.2% of Earth's so this could stand to reason.

3) I'd say there's some sort of relationship like that, I doubt Kishi put too much thought into it.

4) If going by masses is correct then Frieza at FP would have 6,000x the power required to destroy 1 Earth mass. Looking at the mass of Jupiter and comparing it to the mass of Earth, Frieza at FP could destroy around a planet with the mass of around about 19 Earths. Likely less than this because Jupiter is a gas giant after all. Let's say 15. Still no where near the Sun though which was 333,000x more massive than the Earth. So Frieza was multi-planet buster at best IMO.

5 + 6) If Namek was truly 100x more massive than the Earth then it would explain why Frieza couldn't destroy. He could only launch an attack that would destroy it's core triggering of a chain reaction. Was Namek 100x bigger than Earth anyway? I didn't know that was stated anywhere. It might just've been because if Frieza had blown up the planet with him on it he would've likely killed himself as well.

9??) Did Krillin at 75,000 cut Frieza at 120,000,000?

10) I think PL is just the sum total of Ki, speed and other facts are proportional to Ki but some people may be faster or some people may be stronger.

11) DBZ up until the end of the Namek arc ran on PLs. They were a good measuring stick I suppose. Toriyama had stated that he intended for DBZ to end at the Namek arc and that would've been the end of PLs too but due to fan demand DBZ was made to continue. All PLs after the Namek arc are pretty much made up and pointless so I usually try not to use them if I can.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

General Discussion » Characters with the most wasted potential

@Kobra678 said:

Kite, I thought he could have been cool. Usopp, yes, usopp. Yeah I know the series is still going, but he's been nothing but a disappointment since the timeskip. Ball from o-parts hunter is Usopp done right IMO.

I kind of agree. When he first appeared in the Fishman arc I was like yes Usopp is finally cool and then he became a wimp again. I'm sure he will EVENTUALLY step up as the Straw Hats star sniper though, his dads a top class sniper after all so maybe there'll be a mini arc there or something.

Still God Usopp was pretty cool and I liked how even Zoro played along with it in the most recent chapter.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama and Boros Vs Toriko and Sunny

@Low said:

@ohgodwhy: A whole lot faster.

We know from the talk Blue and Red Oni had that he is hundreds of times stronger than the red, who has yet to fully mature. The blue on the other hand seems in base, but still a lot stronger than red.

I mean forreals, Toriko could not react to Heracles's snort before. Blue just up and gave out a vicious punch.

Did you see the speed calcs in the other thread? Toriko at max possible speed is still likely 10x slower than Saitama at lowest possible speed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Toriko, in fact I really look forward to it every week and Blue Oni form was awesome but come one look at the facts, Saitama is simply just much too fast for him. It's not even close in terms of speed is what I'm saying.

Strength is probably similar, from shown feats. In fact from shown feats I have no problem saying that Blue Oni definitely has the advantage on shown strength.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama and Boros Vs Toriko and Sunny

@othus12 said:

i think im gonna change my vote to toriko solos. yup that seems just right.

Maybe if you equalise speed, otherwise Saitama's still many times faster. Or is no speed feat Blue Oni Toriko faster in your opinion?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » KONOHA 8 VS THE SIX PATHS OF PAIN

Remember when Pein slaughtered the entire village of Konoha? I do.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Boros & One punch man vs Jin Mo Ri & First Crown Prince

After reviewing the facts, I believe Jin Mori and the First Crown Prince win this battle. The weak link is clearly Boros for the OPMan teams, maybe if he was as strong as Saitama they may have stood a chance but even then Jin Mori's clones give him a big edge. Take away the clones and you could then have a good fight on your hands.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama Vs Zebra

@othus12 said:

@ohgodwhy said:

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

@othus12: This fight is using pre skip Zebra though, Saitama's moon feat can put him around or faster than Buranchi.

Saitama's moon feat makes him much faster than Buranchi, plus other feats such as easily moving out of the way of Genos's laser beam, creating hundreds of clones by merely stepping side to side etc.

Or am I missing something about Buranchi's speed?

Buranchi stated that he can move at Mach 30,000 for short bursts or 22,000,000 miles per hour or around about 6300 miles per second. Saitama's moon feat puts him at relativistic speeds. Light takes 1.6 seconds to reach the moon, Saitama came back to Earth before Boros could finish his sentence. Speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. Saitama is many times faster than Buranchi.

except he was on the vacuum of space with not resistance whatsoever. saitama himself noticed that since the gravity was lower he could make it back.

as i said before saitama wins but doesnt stomp at all.

btw if boros sent him to outer space instead of the moon he would have died. his strenght matters for shit there.

Are you actually believing what you're typing or is this just becoming another case of fanboyism. The facts are

1) Buranchi moves at Mach 30 by his own admission and that's only for short bursts.

2) Zebra is about equal to Buranchi TRAVELLING speed.

3) Saitama got kicked to the moon, had a little think, then came back all before Boros could finish his sentence. Re-read the manga, this is all on panel. This all happened in a few seconds, ergo Saitama travelled back to Earth at relatavistic speeds.

4) The vacuum of space? Are you really trying to use that? How about the fact that Saitama got kicked into space in the first place in seconds, exceeding orbital velocity easily and ended up on the moon after one panel. The person who kicked him was Boros who is many times weaker than Saitama.

5) Don't try to make Saitama's words into your own. He did not notice that he could make it back since the gravity was weaker. Look at what he said, he was clearly trying to work out how much power he should apply so he doesn't go straight through the ship and probably into the planet. He was happy that he managed to judge it right.

6) No matter how you look at it, even if you massively want to lowball Saitama to ridiculous amounts as you seem to be doing, Buranchi's self stated speed of 6300 miles per second is no where near the relatavistic speeds shown by Saitama. As stated the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second and Saitama is at the very very least able to move at 100,000 miles per second as was proven by the moon feat. Even if Zebra can somehow move twice as fast as Buranchi after timeskip, this is only 12,600 miles per second.

Saitama wins this by strength and speed, the only chance Zebra has is, as stated before, if Saitama lets him hit him and Zebra causes massive internal damage with his sound based attacks.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama Vs Zebra

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

@othus12: This fight is using pre skip Zebra though, Saitama's moon feat can put him around or faster than Buranchi.

Saitama's moon feat makes him much faster than Buranchi, plus other feats such as easily moving out of the way of Genos's laser beam, creating hundreds of clones by merely stepping side to side etc.

Or am I missing something about Buranchi's speed?

Buranchi stated that he can move at Mach 30,000 for short bursts or 22,000,000 miles per hour or around about 6300 miles per second. Saitama's moon feat puts him at relativistic speeds. Light takes 1.6 seconds to reach the moon, Saitama came back to Earth before Boros could finish his sentence. Speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. Saitama is many times faster than Buranchi.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama Vs Zebra

@FormerCrimsonKing: How is kicking someone to the moon not as impressive as I think? Even in DBZ all they ever really managed to do was kick someone to the other side of the city? Is kicking someone so hard that they escape Earth's orbital velocity not an impressive feat?

Even so, Saitama was able to completely shrug off the attack showing how impressive his durability is and then not only that he easily re-enters the Earth's atmosphere without taking any damage.

Boros stated that his final attack was his trump card, no doubt it would use up all his energy. Why is it so hard to believe that in this age of DBZ etc, Boros couldn't wipe out the planets surface. Also, it's important to know that it was just the planets surface he stated, he does not state that he will wipe out the planet. I think Boros is probably capable enough to know how much damage his own attack will do and I don't think it's right when people just say "Oh but he didn't show it so it's just hyperbole". Let's say he did show it, the attack connected and it wiped out all life on Earth. Well this was a good manga wasn't it, now that everybody's dead.

Either way Saitama was able to stop the attack with just a punch from his serious series. That's just one punch to stop a planetary surface destroying attack and as I've already said it was the air pressure that caused all the clouds to shift. Just air pressure alone did all that, and the air pressure is just a side effect of his actual punch. All I can say is that it's a good thing the attack was aimed skywards.

The best part is that even Boros admits Saitama didn't even try. Let's imagine Saitama did multiple serious punches, what chance has Zebra got of surviving?

I'm sure Saitama will show even greater feats in his upcoming battles when they are redrawn but I think it's Saitama's win here. I don't see Zebra tanking many of his punches, especially not from serious series. Maybe Zebra might have a shot if he can inflict internal damage but that's about it.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama Vs Zebra

Definitely not a one shot but I have still yet to Zebra perform a feat such as sending someone to the bloody moon. Zebra's good at fighting in his own way though so I can see it being a decent fight but remember, even Boros realised that Saitama didn't even really try in their fight.

@Endless_Khaos said:

you mean the same zebra that one shotted a continent lvl mounturtle when he was many times weaker than he currently is? Yeah no. All Boros had was hype. He did absolutely Nothing impressive besides talk a big game. His said attack that was supposed to life wipe the planet we never saw due to saitama overpowering it. so you cant say anything about how powerful the blast was. But Current Zebra defintiely has better feats than OPM

I don't know if you read OPMan or not but Boros kind of kicked someone to the moon. I don't know how you can say he only talked a big game. If he can perform a feat like that, just with one kick, I wouldn't say a life wiping blast would be totally impossible for him.

As well as this, why are you guys trying to make out that Saitama's punch wasn't that impressive. Remember, it was just a punch. What makes the feat so impressive is that the air pressure created by the punch was able to cause the planet to change so much. And that was just one move from the serious series.

So in conclusion, Zebra gives him a better fight than Boros but I still don't see Zebra winning this.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Saitama Vs Zebra

Saitama's serious punch easily overpowered an attack which was stated to have been strong enough to at least wipe out the planets surface. And it was just the air pressure produced by the punch that did the damage, imagine what the actual punch would've done. Saitama could easily destroy the planet.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Battles » Asura Rhino runs the S-Class Gauntlet (OPMan)

@Low: Are you sure about that? Asura Rhino in normal form was able to casually react to and easily blow back one of Genos's laser beams. He also approached so fast that Genos couldn't even physically react to him and this is all before he transformed and became much faster and stronger.

Now I'm not saying Lightspeed Flash is slower than him but I think it would be a big assumption to say he's much faster than him. Even if he is, could he even scratch Asura Rhino? Asura Rhino must surely be physically very strong, he was able to tank a surprise laser beam from Genos and multiple punches without a scratch.

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